It seems that so Much has changed in culture in acceptance. In religion we see Pope Francis doing the unheard of washing the feet of a teenage girl in juvenile detention for Easter instead of the Bishops that has been the way in the past. To purge out the establish practice that allowed for abuse and concealment to the best of his ability truely a different time we are in. There are still opponents in the Vatican that oppose the action of Pope Francis. He has let them defend themselves and their actions as they dwindle in numbers. Pope Francis understands it is the populace that make the faith and power to the church not the the Church itself. Detroit has a majority Muslim City Council and the established constabulary is worried about that.
So now we are approaching legalizing Marijuana or the delusion of legalization. We are going to be ask and conjoiled into a panacea of freedom to partake. We all know really that in a short time there will be a regimented therapy for giving Marijuana in a medical setting. This will not include any kind of smoke therapy it will all be FDA certified growers and labs and processing under the rule of pharmacology standards. It will be an oil edible vaped some vehicle of consumable that controls amount and duration of effect. This will be way out of the a realm of a Marijuana dispensary and right into a Pharmacy. Leaving the Dispensaries a recreational and unconventional medical market. When the federal government forces the DEA to change the schedule rating it is a different story.
So we are being ask to change the constitution of the State of Arizona to allow for the formation of a" Department of Marijuana". This is being billed as progress where if your read the proposition the populace is giving up so much for the establishment of the CHURCH the " Department of Marijuana" that will have no oversight on rule making and be immune from it till 2022. Basically setting the distribution and retail of marijuana collecting taxes to control markets prices distribution. this is a constitutional amendment it cant be redone easily and little judicial or legislative oversight till 2022 and then it will have to go to review. Lets talk about the the interests that are funding the movement the PVI (police and vested interests) they are a financial minority telling us they are defending the populace we just don't know how yet as they have done such a fantastic job in the past lets just keep it going huh.
This will mostly be border states countries illegal and legal competition for the marijuana dollar and building a constabulary to enforce the arbitrary regulatory laws that will be in conflict of intrastate regulations 14th amendment of equal protection when collecting a tax dollar the product that paid that tax and be denied use in a municipality basis. All of the monies collected will go to protect a select few a Oligarchy
While so much has changed has it really do you see the truth here I guess some things never change
Sally; Mr. Aari Ruben is correct in it will help. If you find the right therapist that will grow and maintain a supply for you and not a cure all hybrid blend. That's the Achilles Heel to the whole process is consistency and the reliability if it. To be given the correct dose given a mirade of factors I am not a therapist. I have yet to see a dispensary that is or have on site. So it leave up to oils and edibles for treatment this is a healthier form of therapy and if a card holder has to the correct doctor this was implied and why when getting the card. This is another reason to go with these products but they are not dispensed at a reasonable cost availability or consistency.
With MPP's proposal this "Department Of Marijuana" would oversee the medical aspects of Marijuana in time given the transition time needed to take over from AZDHS. This would be the same as the DEA setting schedules of drugs on a national scale but local for Marijuana and related therapies. Their would be no redress to medical issue rule making till it was brought up infront of the board. The Board then would take it into consideration and pass a ruling what in 2 weeks 2 years? If a person holding a license of some kind can appeal the slowness of the board or the decision. that has to go to an Administrative Judge and wait for a decision another how long.
Do you understand if you had a seizure petit or gran was at a relatives friends house a town that had an ordinance against it or were with relatives in reclusive parking lot and the driver helped you medicate you could be guilty of a crime? However if you walked across the street it would be ok.
This Board would have the exclusive autonomy of which vendors they would allow to sell products for Medical (stinks). The board would chose which intellectual professionals they will contract and which standard they will adopt. It will be up the the Board on which studies they will adopt and use to set and change rules by. It will be up to the board to determine how many Licenses they will allow for growing and what liability protection they will instill into the license. This alone like raising the minimum req for liability on car insurance. The board could simply say to much is getting into the illegal market and raise the requirement culling 50% or better of current license holders. The only legal redress is the first review by the board than again a appeal to the Admin judge 3 years later their gone leaving just the rich few that can afford to political representation. The board will go out and look for a test data on fertilizers and testing procedures on organic agricultural material. When we already have a Department of Agriculture 1000% more qualified than anything a Public Admin might put out to bid (stinks)
The real clincher is the head of the Depart of Marijuana has to have held a public administration Position for 10 years or better (police) someone focused on revenue enforcement license. And then the real payday !!!!! License fees and intellectual properties for Medical can you say Cah Chink!!! all because grandma the impaired relative cant afford to pay and will be thrown if they plant a seed,. Is this Progressive?
I was diagnosed in 1962 at the ripe age of six months. Most of the drugs I've taken to control my seizures are either no longer on the market or are no longer used for Epilepsy. I tried Epilepsy surgery in "89 but continue to have seizures. Would I like to try hemp to see if it helps? You bet I would! Is it affordable when you're on disability? NO. I'm glad it's available for some, but the state has to remember that most people on disability can't come close to the prices (because of the taxes) because we're in deep poverty. Unless someone goes to the governor's office and has a full blown Grand Mal in front of him the cost isn't going to change.
Mr Ari Ruben pleas except my humble and embarrassing apologies for misspelling of you name
Joe Arpaio is the biggest funder of MPPs' initiative in AZ. Right now the MCSO is diligently busting confiscating finding as much as the can on an enhanced campaign to fund giving monies to MPP. Then at the same time promoting it's use in the retirement communities with MOM FORCE AZ. MCSO needs this Marijuana Control Board as a slush fund bank after all whom do you think is going to head the board staff the board ????? really
Mr Rubin Aries;
Some interesting and thoughtful ideas on the useable qualities of Cannabis. I have epilepsy in the family my siblings went through a regiment of phenobarbital my son through Tegretol. I have had the realities of prejudice and exclusion for reason attributed to Epilepsy. As well as growing in rural southern Utah with a Jewish father and a Black Grandmother I also understand ostracization from society and social accords of the areas I lived in. I was first incarcerated for possession 10 grams maybe. In Texas getting out of the service FtPolk hitchhiking home did 60 days on a chain gang picking sugar beets and cotton work. Had to fight off.... that was what I was thrown into and that will still be the ultimate leverage behind MPP's proposal if you could only spend a day.
I do believe you have sincerity in your understanding and approach. It is also my belief it has been a long life consuming struggle for so many for so long. Some believe this is the pinnacle of success the ultimate triumph. I have strong reservations basically the rule making and the structure of the Marijuana Control Board.
As you know the 25 mile law was a rule implemented in the rule making and a huge form on contest to it. How it was put into rule then into administrative law. By the time the Superior Court need clarification it went ti Admin then Appellate court 2 1/2 years later. Basically out of each of the average patient or consumer. It is this kind of action that is very concerned to me and to others that would torpedo MPP's initiative. We see where it would allow for some municipalities and county or governing agency to prohibit use consumption sales and growing. Violation of 14th amendment of equal protection for a now clarified minority Cannabis user they can pay taxes in that town but not smoke ???? really and punishable by what fines jail for ordinance violation?
As we seen the initiative being drawn up the license fees for growing, processing, distributing, testing, sales, were prohibitive for the small local entrepreneur. Basically leaving it up to better financed resourceful business affiliated with existing MMJ industry nationally. This could very easily become an oligarchy as is what happened in AZ when prohibition on Alcohol was was lifted with the 21st amendment. Arizona's first and only billionaire Kemper Marley notorious link to mafia and illegal gambling and the Don Bolles bombing murder. It is not even worth while going into the prosecutorial police mistreatment of the laws and the rights of Arizona citizens after all the Miranda decision was abou AZ.
All that aside let just get a look at the medical aspects. It wont be long till the medical community comes up with a regimented cannabis treatment covered by insurance. These will only be dispensed through licensed Pharmacies with licensed technicians. There will be no smoke of any kind to medical therapy there is no way one can rely on amount of consumption or residual components possible carcinogens and related effect of propane or what ever flame source. Changing the whole distribution system POS license to just recreational. Anything else would be considered over the counter remedy and not covered by any remediation of legal considerations already given in the current MMJ law.
Basically Mr Aries. I don't begrudge your endeavor or efforts your right to entrepreneurial success. I feel that by opposing MPP proposal I am fighting for your interests as well. Just how can you ask someone to give up what they have for what they might get. We have seen it in the tobacco tax the lottery the gaming just how deep is the well of licensed sin as some would have it go?
IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE RULE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR VOTING FOR!
NIDA, the US Dept of Health, and the US National Cancer Institute ALL agree that this plant kills cancer (as such it is clearly a medicine, for those of you in the DEA). Take a minute and sign the petition to force the director of the DEA (Chuck Rosenburg) to resign for his outrageous statements declaring that marijuana is not medicine. If this disingenuous imbecile cannot play with the rest of the team he should stop trying to do the jobs of those far more qualified than he, and resign!
In reflection of this slight encumberment. There several ways to pay obligations wont go into that. Just just pondering the proposed "MARIJUANA CONTROL BOARD" by the mpp initiative. Would this mean that the board would set up its own BANK since being denied access to national banks mentioned here ? It appears that is the case to me reading the proposal on how they disperse funds. The proposal is very precise on how to collect and disburse monies just not on how to make rules yet. The writing is on the wall I would soon be looking investment monies cronies and the paper trail wont be there.
Hey JR, Karma is a bitch the Mexican police appreciated your 10k for being an idiot ....... Any time you want to find me ..... I will accommodate your wish and meet you eye to eye..... name the place and time..... if you really believe you are man enough. You have a big mouth and no balls.... it is easy for you to make false accusations and hide behind a computer keyboard. I would be happy in travelling to Rocky Point to settle this matter man to man... but everyone knows you will have a lame excuse and write more untrue bullshit rather than taking me up on my offer to meet up with you.
James Bones was arrested in Mexico for his illegal activities. He had to pay $10,000 dollars and his was prohibited a visa not because Ana Gomez took his money, which all went to INS for her visa application, but Mr. Bones omits the fact that the denial of her visa into the United States was because she had convicted twice of prostitution in Rocky Point, Mexico. Unfortunately, for Mr. Bones he was trying to bribe US Immigration attempt to bring a known Mexican prostitute into the United States. Thus, when INS conducted a background check on her, and her criminal surfaced, she was denied.
Life is a little different in Colorado. There are currently 24 banks in Colorado quietly doing business with the MJ industry. They charge monthly fees in the $2,000-$3,000 per month range, and require the businesses to not keep large amounts of money in the accounts, as large amounts of money in demand accounts raises the bank's reserve requirement with the Fed.
By the way those little magnetic strips woven inside money they have sensors at the ports in the lobby's of airports & xray machines as well as some police in some jurisdictions slow traffic and have senors on the road that a car can drive over bingo civil seizure all civil servants get a bonus. I installed them at the Dennis DeConcini port. To me this is a unauthorized search
The Banking practices set up by a MMJ business is solely up to the proprietor. If a business is buying their product from out of state then we also have two states or more transferring over state lines put bank in a precarious situation. (possible cartel)
In my opinion this is all brought upon by Bill Montgomery and the like as Arpaio increases his raids and then promotes in resorts and country clubs across the retirement community. This is something that MPP and the dispensaries want so they can say foul too. looking for public support and a kindred spirit of "Legalize Like Alcohol."
I have about as much concern of most of the dispensaries being in business and staying in business as legalization come to the forefront. I have been to about every dispensary in the valley at least once. Not impressed with the " PATIENT" term being thrown around this is a joke. It appears most try to administer to the patient first a life style a political view then medicate.
Lets look around the state California is about to legalize. Mexico Supreme Court said it is a constitutional right to use marijuana Colorado while close is legal so surrounding the state is all becoming legal. Arizona wants to economically control this with this BS imprisoning individual defeating "LEGALIZE LIKE ALCOHOL" initiative. Lets look at the freedoms won in Ohio. Look at what the Washington did when it became legal the rule committee changed about everything. Now Washington has problems with Canada and Oregon both going legal was well as Montana. Now they find their rules and methods of tax collection and market control are going south. Colorado their tag a plant and tax a clone is going bad too.
Why is it the medical community has walked away from the medical aspects of Marijuana. Progressive is not a definition it is a individuals understanding of social and political views. With this kind of thinking to deal with in the Medical community they will be cast aside as quickly as a dispensary calling it a medical practitioner of any type.
Sorry Ruben I don't care there is one thing these dispensaries and the residual business must understand. They have not done a thing but try to set up a business and crawl in bed with the politicians that have their hand out while the patient goes in the ground. I have consumed Marijuana for over 40 years. It has gotten weaker and more abundant and more costly and taxed. I did this before the MMJ 203 was passed just why do I need a dispensary these guys are in the middle of a squeeze one rule change and their gone. They have alienated a huge part of the customer base set up the market to be bulled over by big bank, business,and suppliers this is not staying ahead of the curve.
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WE HAVE TIME.. IT HAS IS BEEN A LONG WAY DON'T FALL AT THE FINISH LINE. LETS NOT FORGET WHY THE PEOPLE OF AZ PASSED MEDICAL MARIJUANA.
Reading the story again brings to wonder this proposed Legalize like Alcohol. Is it for the patient the consumer the public. Is it a protection and again who for the market, public in general, retailer manufacturer cultivator the revenue collector.
I have read the proposal several time over and find not answers but huge ambiguities of legal questions that will be in court of years. The Medical will eventually fade away and be under control of What & Who. Now the proponents say medical will be here to stay yea only for the transition thill the board is in full swing and then ???
I have watched the proposal as it was being hammered out it was one of the most convoluted diversions of monies I have ever seen. The powers even tried to tie into the Indian gaming Pact. Till they found out then a new gaming pact would be called for and then limiting the indians what use they can have on their own lands.
I have read over and over again about people would be allowed to home grow 6 per 12 res max>>> RULES ARE NOT SET. Is there a license cost, annual in applying for a license, do you give up home dwelling rights will the person be subject to knock and talk with let me in or your license is revoked. In being awarded a license do you give up homeowner rights in getting the license no warrant needed? and then a felony for not having a license ? will you only be allowed certain strains allowed by the board ? In the knock and talk agent take samples and test find a different strain DNA of what would you be guilty of then Felony or misdemeanor. Are you allowed to grow from seed or will all plants have to be acquired at a Rip-hencetory and a date of maturity tag so if a person clones and in the Knock & Talk you don't have a tag you could be arrested? Inspection of your grow area found not to be in compliance with this years rule given a compliance order with reinspection and a fine and revocation of license? lien on property will all this be left up to the regulatory judges where the consumer patient are not represented?
All of these and still not one mandate from the powers that want to "legalize Like Alcohol" on how they would contribute and fund medical research, how medical information would be compiled and the parameters toward research. Completely physiology related not addiction or illegal usage will be considered in Medical Research funding. or aberrations or reinterpretations allowed without a new proposal. And just what is going to happen to the medical records on file now when reverted over to the "BOARD"
Why are we in a hurry are we being pushed by LEO sudden increase in enforcement and prosecution and a media blitz on how this could all go away with Legalization (which isn't) They too are looking at revenue shrinkage and pushing the cart for revenue share
MY GUESS WITH DEFENDING THE BOARD WILL EAT UP SO MUCH LEGAL FEES, AND PERSONAL FACILITIES EQUIPMENT THERE WONT BE A PENNY GIVEN TO EDUCATION TILL 10 YEARS OR MORE. AND THEN 40 MILLION WOULD BE 1.9% OF THE AZ K>12 ANNUAL FUNDING. YEA GRAB A VAP HONEY PEN THE KIDS ARE GETTING SMARTER AND WILL TAKE CARE OF US SO LETS SMOKE SOME MORE PATHETIC ARGUMENT FOR LEGALIZATION.
THERE IS JUST WAY TO MUCH GRAB HERE DONT SUPPORT "LEGALIZE LIKE ALCOHOL" PROPOSAL UNLESS YOU WANT MORE OF THE SAME THATS BEEN HAPPENING SINCE 1937 HARRY ANSLINGER AND THE BNDD. This should be considered date rape if passes
What happened in your first trial?
I find this amazing but also expected. As an advocate and driver for several years in Colorado, I now am in AZ and becoming up to speed and active here. Many of these things have been fought and resolved in CO with similar issues but different exact laws. The argument in court premise is the same.
I find the law basis here and set up very odd and in need of work. The legalization efforts are good but the medical still needs to get cleaned up as even legal will not fix the need for a good medical system and access need. The entire co-op and group grow thing as well as what CO tries with "Seed to sale" and plant tagging are absurd ways to get what should be "wholesale commercial grows" or "true individual grow needs" of a simple plant.
You may also want to consider that this is Medical Marijuana and the folks who were in this grow with you have HIPAA Rights. You could and should have set up and based your files on that. The firearm is an issue if there was ammunition regardless of the safe if the Feds are pressing any charges and they can press that for plea. No one should ever have a loaded firearm anywhere near marijuana as long as the "war on drugs" continues. There are some great resources in CO and WA that you may want to reach out to as AZ legal resources are weak. Rob Corey an attorney there or Michelle Lemay of Cannabis U can be of help with your plight I would bet or refer you to others here they know.
Well it looks like another boone doogle of government protection for profit. So MPP has joined up with the likes of Joe Arpaio to rewrite the marijuana with stiffer felony penalties for really simple possession. Old sheriff Joe spent 17 years running the DEA in Mexico before running for sheriff. Now sheriff Joe has Teamed up with the dispensaries to try and do just the same here in Arizona. Here is Sheriff Joe being guest speaker at a Sun City elderly forum to pass MPP's proposal and promote marijuana to the elderly. So if you have a day watch sheriff Joe promote on one hand and the next day talk about the evils. Is this really the kind of oversight we want in the Medical Marijuana program.
Go to Sun City and watch sheriff Joe promote his new market endeavors.
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