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Re: “A Few Thoughts On the Mexican American Studies Trial

Well, there ya go. The last refuge of a racist is to call people who challenge them on it "racist."

Give it a break, Dupenthal. First rule when you're in a hole--stop digging.

Re: Nathan K's "logic" problems, they are utterly illogical. The picture you paint of educational whiteness is exactly how our educational system used to be, before programs like MAS--and more importantly, teachers who challenged the institutional racism of the educational system--came along.

No one was taught that the U.S. stole half of Mexico's territory in a bald-faced war of aggression. No one was taught that Native Americans were pushed off their land and slaughtered wholesale in a bald-faced war of genocide. No one was taught that racism was still a rife and destructive force in our supposedly democratic institutions, and remains so TO THIS DAY--criminal justice, voting rights, education, you name it.

Facts like these are demonstrable and indisputable, yet children in public schools were taught a very different reality that socialized them to be part of the problem when they grew up, rather than part of the solution. Suppressing and discriminating against identities is what creates social strife. Claiming and celebrating identities only creates strife for people who feel threatened by those identities and would prefer to mask or erase them with mandatory whiteness.

THAT is why programs like MAS are absolutely necessary--because without them, racist apologists like you and Dupenthal would continue to sweep these realities under the rug.

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Posted by skinnyman on 07/27/2017 at 9:44 AM

Re: “A Few Thoughts On the Mexican American Studies Trial

Addendum

Does 95 round to a hundred? Does 3.8 years of progress round to 4 years? I'll stick with 4 students but for all practical purposes, its five.

The students alternate, doing fluency problems at their highest possible level one day and math comprehension (word problems) the next at their highest possible level the next day.

Try sticking students on "Number Munchers" for 40 minutes a day. That would fall apart in less than a month. My students averaged 36 minutes a day of math work for an entire year. A recent research study showed that students at the tenth percentile averaged only two minutes of reading a day. Its hard to believe that they would have done much more math work.

I am glad that you paid such close attention, even if you are a critic.

Thanks.

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Posted by jhuppent@hotmail.com on 07/27/2017 at 9:20 AM

Re: “Danehy

Thanks, Tom, for a great column. I don't usually choke up from reading the Weekly, but this week, you got me. Even some tears...of joy. Having been around Amphi and meeting Coach Friedli (usually at the grocery store) he was ALWAYS a gentle man and one of the most positive educators I've erer met.

Should you ever pen a script for "the Vern Friedli Story", let us know. I'm in line for opening night tickets.

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Posted by n7iqv on 07/27/2017 at 9:14 AM

Re: “Summer Catch

Appreciate the player insight and perspective. Well written article-definitely makes one want to "go out to the ballpark"!

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Posted by Mama Sammy on 07/27/2017 at 9:10 AM

Re: “A Few Thoughts On the Mexican American Studies Trial

Response

Ethnic studies students were not getting statistically different results on academic gains. There were t tests run. The students were gaining about 9 points. That's not enough to reduce the achievement gap. That's not excellent results. They had a very slightly higher graduation rates than the "control" group but so did every other subject and class because the numerator for the graduation rate of the "control" group was defined at a different point in time that the numerator for the graduation rate of MAS students.

What I am doing with my studies is establishing how fast students of color and of poverty can improve academically without any help from the home. If the typical Latino student can move 60 SAT points per year, 100 AZmerit points per year, that has tremendous significance. That's four times as fast as the typical student is doing now.

That means that the system is holding these kids down, that the system is racist.

That was Benjamin Franklin's breakthrough, as he studied African American students in school. He came to the conclusion that these kids were every bit as capable as white kids and that it was the institution of slavery that was holding them down. That was a huge breakthrough because not even abolitionists held that view.

We have a similar situation now. Liberals don't believe that Hispanics and Blacks have the ability to thrive and that we just have to accept their substandard academic outcomes.

In words they would never admit, they are racist to the core.

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Posted by jhuppent@hotmail.com on 07/27/2017 at 9:09 AM

Re: “Home is a Tenacious Heart

There is no shame in flipping burgers or working at a convenience store. She keeps saying that she doesn't believe in pan handling, yet she wants someone to give her a little piece of property. Show me that you can work for a year...then I will believe in you.

Posted by Julie Thompson on 07/27/2017 at 9:03 AM

Re: “A Few Thoughts On the Mexican American Studies Trial

A MAS thought experiment.

Imagine a Tucson neighborhood. It is located mid-town, along I-10, and consists mostly of trailer homes and light industrial facilities. Its population is 63% non-Hispanic white, the vast majority of whom are poor and disadvantaged: high unemployment, high incarceration rates, rampant opioid abuse, etc. It has one high school, three middle schools and three elementary schools, all of which underperform state averages, and especially, when measured relative to other majority non-Hispanic white school districts. We will call this neighborhood "Seeping Springs" for the purposes of our discussion.

Suppose that Seeping Springs High School ("go Cowboys!") introduces an Anglo-American studies program. This program's goal is to emphasize the positives of white, Euro-American Civilization. The curriculum is implicitly, if not explicitly, pro-white. Students learn white history starting with the Greeks and going through the moon landing. They read great works of white literature and study white art and music. They are taught evolutionary biology from a pro-white perspective, from Darwin, to Madison Grant, to Jensen and Rushton. There's a lecture on average racial IQ differences. The American Civil War is taught from the perspective of "lost cause" historians like Shelby Foote, and there's a largely positive unit on Arizona's Confederate history. Non-white cultural and historical contributions are deemphasized as not being culturally relevant to white students.

Participation in the Anglo-American studies program is voluntary, and it is open to all races and ethnicities.

After five years of the program's operation, grades (even in classes outside of the AAS program), standardized test scores, and the reported self-esteem of white students in the program all show statistically significant increases. Behavior problems show marked decreases.

Question - would we accept such a program, even if it lead to better educational outcomes? Should the state be permitted to stop it?

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Posted by Nathan K on 07/27/2017 at 8:32 AM

Re: “A Few Thoughts On the Mexican American Studies Trial

Huppenthal's comment didn't even make any sense as a response to this article. As such, it doesn't even really deserve a lot of conversation: sort of like Drumpfs repeated tweets. The bottom line is that it is sickening seeing the endless repetition of "Anglo History Only" as the model that public education should use. Language is not the issue here--the issue is do you present history as a rich, moving and developing tapestry of rights and wrongs, causes and effects and interactions between peoples and genders and political parties and etc.? Or do you present it as a monocolor story that ends at the second world war (the last one we "won"---think about that please) and still has elementary school kids reading the same damned white male canon that I had to read fifty years ago? C'mon people, this is a no brainer. Pretending that critical people and thinkers and philosophies don't exist doesn't make them go away. Ignoring Marxism doesn't make it NOT one of the most relevant economic systems to a huge number of people in the world--it only makes you ignorant. Our recent Presidential election is a real slam to the education system in this country and the return and reinvigoration of programs like MAS are essential to turn it and this country around.

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Posted by Betts Putnam-Hidalgo on 07/27/2017 at 8:27 AM

Re: “Cannabis Court

On the taxation side, there is an ongoing case in Northern California, with the plaintiffs taking the position it was not Congress's intent that IRC 280(e) apply to state legal businesses. Unofficially, there are many IRS employees hoping the plaintiffs win.

Posted by lc69hunter on 07/27/2017 at 7:07 AM

Re: “Ask a Mexican!

If the U.S. took half of Mexico then the U.S. took half of France in the Louisiana Purchase. The Mexican Cession was primarily unoccupied country (neither Mexico nor the U.S. ever counted Native Americans) with arbitrary lines drawn back in Europe based on a few Spaniards on horses riding through the area years earlier and some treaties made with Spain. Santa Anna gladly handed it over for some quick money to save his butt. Mexico couldn't control that region and had very little population there and, quite likely, if the U.S. hadn't taken it, someone else would have or it would've seceded from Mexico anyway. It was a semi-autonomous region with constant revolts and mixed populations.
Besides, Mexico stole it from Spain 25 years earlier (who stole it from the Apaches, Navajos, Hopis, Utes, Pasquas, etc.). Not saying the war was right, far from it, but let's not make up a simplistic and misleading history in order to create some vast grievance that justifies illegal immigration all the while pretending to be teaching stupid Americans their true history.
And Mexicans were forced North like the Irish? I must've missed the news of the famine and the U.N. airlifts of rice and flour. Comparing it to the potato famine is hyperbole.
Migrants came north not due to famine, but because of a population surge prior to widespread use of birth control, economic disruptions and lack of opportunity (partly based on policies their own government set), and better money was available in the U.S. These are the same reasons most immigrants came here. But you make it sound like the big bad U.S. forced them into NAFTA and it was a choice between death and immigration. This is over-simplification to advance an agenda.
Not saying anything for or against Mexican immigrants, or minimizing all of the crap Mexico and Mexicans have put up with from the U.S. and Americans over the years, but if you twist and over-simplify history with the transparent goal of creating a special right for Mexicans to immigrate to the U.S., you lose all credibility.

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Posted by bslap on 07/27/2017 at 6:11 AM

Re: “A Few Thoughts On the Mexican American Studies Trial

Remember the story of the tower of Babel. In a multicultural society you need a common language to make your support systems (in this case anything associated with the economy and health) to run smoothly. So the argument for learning English is in fact an argument for get further in life."English only" is a shunt. In other words it is limiting and abrasive. I read part of the argument for the the Huppenthal and Horne side saying the MAS program taught "what to think rather than how to think". I have not seen the MAS program so I would only point out that if in fact that is true, then the MAS literature should be edited to teach how to think. Teaching what to think creates isolationism and leads to smaller economic groups which will stunt the communities growth.
and finally based on reading these comments some of you need to back up a bit and think about how to make this work. The court ruling is is going to be an opinion that will be used for hard law. if your lucky the ruling will give you something to measure with and come to a decent conclusion.

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Posted by Pat on 07/27/2017 at 5:53 AM

Re: “The Skinny

I guess she hadn't heard that the Democrats changed their message. They now stand for whatever the Republicans stand for. Kind of a reflection of John McCain's history.

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Posted by There is no difference on 07/27/2017 at 5:14 AM

Re: “Tour Diaries! XIXA Day 13: Italian Thieves! XIXA Tour Van Busted Into, Gear Ripped Off.

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Posted by domenico carriero on 07/27/2017 at 4:38 AM

Re: “Editorial

I salute the Weekly for calling this out. Let me offer the animal lovers (read: sane people) here an alternative to zoos.

It's summertime in Tucson, and while I love it here the dry heat shrivels the patience and the shoreline sings its siren song. My family and I go San Diego as often as we can. It's a day's drive for a completely different world from the desert. Years ago, though we'd just seen Blackfish and skipped Sea World, we took our daughter to the San Diego Zoo. It's enormous, it's beautiful, it's rightfully world famous for its presentation, and it's still captivity.

What really got me was the silverback gorilla behind the plexiglass. Technically he's safer in a plastic box than at home with poachers sizing him up, but I really thought about him. How did he get here? Does he suffer in this endless performance? Why do we do this?

Here's another creature capable of language and I had no idea how to speak to him. I felt compelled to put my palm against the glass, to meet his eyes and in some way apologize for the absurdity of it all. So we don't go there now. The best zoo in the world, with the best keepers and enclosures, is still a hostage situation.

That may rattle you, and I understand why. I loved the zoo as a kid, and it remains the only way to see the animals we've mostly pushed off the world. The topic of conservation is too nuanced for a layman like myself to make a call on where the line is drawn between salvation and show business. The spectacle is undeniably magnetic, for we all yearn for connection with the web of life. Intention aside, there is such a clear disconnect in our behavior.

People know in some distant way that zoos are full of slaves. We won't leave a dog in a car but a polar bear in a swimming pool is judged acceptable. Thousands of human beings with loving hearts and functioning minds somehow spend all day admiring animals and stop to eat a few on the way out without a second thought. The way we treat animals is just one of those enormous problems we pretend isn't happening. The elephant in the room has been turned into tacky end tables and scrimshaw knick-knacks.

Sanctuaries, on the other hand, represent a different road for disenfranchised animals, and we were thrilled to discover one not far from San Diego in Alpine. Lions, Tigers and Bears is a great operation that aims to provide a haven for big cats and others rescued from the horrors of the exotic animal trade. We were told of cut-rate breeding farms in squalid trailer parks, rich kids abandoning their pets (like the old alligator myths but true and shocking), and sickening practices like fur and "predator urine" farms. Reality was not sugar coated.

Yet what we saw were not haggard, suffering beasts lumbering through concrete mirages. These cats and bears are healthy, happy and clearly loved. Our guide hand-fed each one with a long tool that kept both parties secure. Not a one was without shelter, shade, and above all, room to roam. Their stories all had happy endings because of the tireless work of the site's proprietor and her dedicated staff. The tour ran long for the parents of toddlers, but the experience was worth every penny once we saw exactly where the money was going.

Lions, Tigers and Bears states their mission as follows:

"Lions Tigers & Bears is dedicatedto providing a safe haven to abused and abandoned exotic animals while inspiring an educational forum to end the exotic animal trade."

They deliver this and more. I heartily recommend and encourage anyone interested in the welfare of animals and the witnessing of redemption for these long-suffering animals who deserve our compassion and stewardship to visit this sanctuary. For more information, visit their website: https://lionstigersandbears.org/

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Posted by ApocalypseFatigue on 07/26/2017 at 11:33 PM

Re: “A Few Thoughts On the Mexican American Studies Trial

Huppenthal seems to forget that this counties fore fathers spoke multiple languages and encouraged it because if further proved you didn't have to be rich from a good family to be an educated gentleman. Worries me he is so focused on English only, yes it's a key to success but it's not a corner stone. Plus US history books kinda skip over how they broke their own treaties and laws to steal land. Maybe he can explain to me how a little less then half a million in acres is taken legally from the original inhabitants? Plus wish my grandmother was still alive so he could to tell her the lynching of her grandfather was legal. Maybe he can explain to her why she wasn't allowed to buy that land back let alone any unless specifically designated, till civil rights movement. Horne might be able to answer me how I go about requesting for our ancestors to be exhumed off land that was theirs, but belongs to the state and private owners...but these are just problems for those whose families have been here for generations before the deceleration of independence.

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Posted by Adam Martinez on 07/26/2017 at 10:01 PM

Re: “A Few Thoughts On the Mexican American Studies Trial

Your're a coward John Huppenthal! A mentiroso who seems to always have the time to defend your racist blogs! You have no clue about what MAS was or who the teachers were that taught the classes and never bothered to talk to us to our faces about the concerns you had. In our community, which you claim to know so much about, we call that type of person a sin verguenza! You looked like a punk ass little chavala on the stand...a disgraced and despicable politico that CAN NEVER STOP LA RAZA!

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Posted by Alexandro Escamilla on 07/26/2017 at 9:43 PM

Re: “A Few Thoughts On the Mexican American Studies Trial

I can't help wondering if Huppenthal put a poster of Albert Einstein on the wall! Since posters have such power.

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Posted by gcb1 on 07/26/2017 at 9:38 PM

Re: “Jogger Plans Half-Day Run To Support No More Deaths

Blow it out your ass.

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Posted by CW13 on 07/26/2017 at 9:16 PM

Re: “A Few Thoughts On the Mexican American Studies Trial

As a longtime successful educator, I remain highly skeptical of Huppenthal's self-aggrandized statement of his superior teaching capability and knowledge of effective pedagogy. I thought in court he testified that 5 African-American students in unnamed grade levels in an unidentified setting under his tutelage each solved 50,000 math problems. Now it is four in his statement. Whoop-de-do. Without much more serious description of location, grade level, materials used, hours devoted to practice, types of problems encountered and solved, and "fun doing it," we have no proof at all that he is doing anything remarkable. Was this done in a regular classroom setting with other students involved as well? Were the boys sitting at computers playing "Number Munchers" or "Fraction Munchers?" Does he use a variety of teaching materials? Are the students working and developing word problems or just doing worksheets or pressing arrows on a computer? How is he measuring grade level progression? And where is his control group that proves his method is superior? Most of Huppenthal's testimony was just as specious as that little diversion he tried to make.

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Posted by gcb1 on 07/26/2017 at 9:16 PM

Re: “Danehy

CW69, belch and give me a hint.

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Posted by CW13 on 07/26/2017 at 9:13 PM

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