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Saturday, January 8, 2011
News The Crazed Internet Rantings of Jared Loughner
Posted by Dan Gibson on Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 4:09 PM
My son is 9 years old, so when I heard from UMC's Dr. Peter Rhee that a child of the same age is among the confirmed dead from the shooting at Safeway on Ina and Oracle roads, this whole event became even harder to take. I try to take my son to events where politicians appear to try to expose him to newsmakers and the world around him, and while we're on the other side of town from today's shooting, what separates my family from being involved in something like this is that this Safeway was within walking distance of Loughner's family's house, and not mine. It's a little tough to process.
I guess you want to blame a movement or radical belief for what happened, so that there's someone to blame bigger than just one shooter or that the madness makes a little sense, but after poring over the digital remnants left behind by Jared Loughner across the Internet, the one thing I feel like I can say about the 22 year old is that he seems to be someone desperately needing mental health care.
There are certainly themes that run through his videos and postings: the unconstitutionality of various institutions (including Pima Community College), remarks about "rare birds" and the use of language that would imply that Loughner didn't expect to be around for long (his last Myspace post, from this morning, was "Goodbye friends"), but otherwise, it's impossible to make sense of most of it.
For example, here's a selection of what Loughner left on someone's MySpace page:
If there's no flag in the constitution then the flag in the film is unknown.
There's no flag in the constitution.
Therefore, the flag in the film is unknown.
Burn every new and old flag that you see.
Burn your flag!
I bet you can imagine this in your mind with a faster speed.
Watch this protest in reverse!
Ask the local police; "What's your illegal activity on duty?".
If you protest the government then there's a new government from protesting.
There's not a new government from protesting.
Thus, you aren't protesting the government.
There's something important in this video: There's no communication to anyone in this location.
You shouldn't be afraid of the stars.
There's a new bird on my right shoulder. The beak is two feet and lime green. The rarest bird on earth, there's no feathers, but small grey scales all over the body. It's with one large red eye with a light blue iris. The bird feet are the same as a woodpecker. This new bird and there's only one, the gender is not female or male. The wings of this bird are beautiful; 3 feet wide with the shape of a bald eagle that you could die for. If you can see this bird then you will understand. You think this bird is able to chat about a government?
I want you to imagine a comet or meteoroid coming through the atmosphere.
That was left 77 days ago, but what are you supposed to make of that?
The YouTube clips on his channel are just as wildly confusing. If you can understand what on Earth this means, you're a step ahead of me:
Hello, my name is Jared Lee Loughner.This video is my introduction to you! My favorite activity is conscience dreaming; the greatest inspiration for my political business information. Some of you don't dream — sadly.
Firstly, the current government officials are in power for their currency, but I'm informing you for your new currency! If you're treasuerer of a new money system, then you're responsible for the distributing of a new currency. We now know — the treasurer for a new money system, is the distributor of the new currency. As a result, the people approve a new money system which is promising new information that's accurate, and we truly believe in a new currency. Above all, you have your new currency, listener?
Secondly, my hope - is for you to be literate! If you're literate in English grammar, then you comprehend English grammar. The majority of poeple, who reside in District 8, are illiterate — hilarious. I don't control your English grammar structure, but you control your English grammar structure.
Thirdly, I know who's listening: Government Officials, and the People. Nearly all the people, who don't know this accurate information of a new currency, aren't aware of mind control and brainwash methods. If I have my civil rights, then this message wouldn't have happen.
In conclusion, my ambition - is for informing literate dreamers about a new currency; in a few days, you know I'm conscience dreaming! Thank you!
The other recent video is longer and maybe a little more distressing, in retrospect, especially considering that he refers to them as his "final thoughts":
My Final Thoughts: Jared Lee Loughner!Most people, who read this text, forget in the next 2 second!
The population of dreamers in the United States of America is less than 5%!
If 987,123,478,961,876,341,234,098,601,978,618 is the year in B.C.E. then the previous year is 987,123,478,961,876,341,234,098,601,978,619 B.C.E.
987,123,478,961,876,341,234,098,601,978,618 is the year in B.C.E.
Therefore, the previous year of 987,123,478,961,876,341,234,098,601,978,619 B.C.E.
If B.C.E. years are unable to start then A.D.E. years are unable to begin.
B.C.E. years are unable to start.
Thus, A.D.E. years are unable to begin.
If A.D.E. is endless in year then the years in A.D.E. don't cease.
A.D.E. is endless in year.
Therefore, the years in A.D.E. don't cease.
If I teach a mentally capable 8 year old for 20 consecutive minutes to replace an alphabet letter with a new letter and pronunciation then the mentally capable 8 year old writes and pronounces the new letter and pronunciation that's replacing an alphabet letter in 20 consecutive minutes.
I teach a mentally capable 8 year old for 20 consecutive minutes to replace an alphabet letter with a new letter and pronunciation.
Thus, the mentally capable 8 year old writes and pronounces the new letter and pronunciation that replaces an alphabet letter in 20 consecutive minutes.
Every human who's mentally capable is always able to be treasurer of their new currency.
If you create one new currency then you're able to create a second new currency.
If you're able to create second new currency then you're able to create third new currency.
You create one new currency.
Thus, you're able to create a third new currency.
You're a treasurer for a new currency, listener?
You create and distribute your new currency, listener?
You don't allow the government to control your grammar structure, listener?
If you create one new language then you're able to create a second new language.
If you're able to create a second new language then you're able to create a third new language.
You create one new language.
Thus, you're able to create a third new language.
All humans are in need of sleep.
Jared Loughner is a human.
Hence, Jared Loughner is in need of sleep.
Sleepwalking
If I define sleepwalking then sleepwalking is the act or state of walking, eating, or performing other motor acts while asleep, of which one is unaware upon awakening.
I define sleepwalking.
Thus, sleepwalking is the act or state of walking, eating, or performing other motor acts while asleep, of which one is unaware upon awakening.
I'm a sleepwalker - who turns off the alarm clock.
All conscience dreaming at this moment is asleep.
Jared Loughner is conscience dreaming at this moment.
Thus, Jared Loughner is asleep.
Terrorist
If I define terrorist then a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political weapon.
I define terrorist.
This, a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political weapon.
If you call me a terrorist then the argument to call me a terrorist is Ad hominem.
You call me a terrorist.
Thus, the argument to call me a terrorist is Ad hominem.
Every United States Military recruit at MEPS in Phoenis is receiving one mini bible before the tests.
Jared Loughner is a United States Military recruit at MEPS in Phoenix.
Therefore, Jared Loughner is receiving one mini bible before the tests.
I didn't write a belief on my Army application, and the recruiter wrote on the application; None.
The majority of citizens in the United States of America have never read the United States of America's Constitution.
You don't have to accept the federalist laws.
Nonetheless, read the United States of America's Constituion to apprehend all of the current treasonous laws.
You're literate, listener?
If the property owners and government officials are no longer in ownership of their land and laws from a revolution then the revolutionary's from the revolution are in control of the land and laws.
The property owners and government officials are no longer in ownership of their land and laws from a revolution.
Thus, the revolutionary's from the revolution are in control of the land and laws.
In conclusion, reading the second United States Constition, I can't trust the current government because of the ratifications: The government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar.
No! I won't pay debt with a currency that's not backed by gold and silver!
No! I won't trust in God!
What's government if words don't have meaning?
Another video, favorited by Loughner, uses "Let The Bodies Hit The Floor" by Drowning Pool as a soundtrack to the burning of an American flag in the desert by a hooded, masked man wearing what appears to be pants made of black garbage bags.
His MySpace page featured a photo of a Glock pistol placed on an American History textbook and listed his favorite books as "Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver’s Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno", a mess of books with wildly different viewpoints.
There's nothing you can attach philosophically this guy right now, but it seems he had destructive thoughts on his mind for sometime. There's a smiling photo of Loughner at the Star as a volunteer at the Tucson Festival of Books about a year ago. That seems to be a far, far different young man than the one from most recent months, and a million miles away from the gunman who walked to Safeway today.
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Dude it's "poring over," not "pouring through." Unless you were actually spilling juice on what you were researching.
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The guy clearly was suffering from schizophrenia. That kind of disorganised ranting and bizarre coining of words is classic. Hope the guy gets some proper diagnosis and not just more political attacks when he's clearly off his rocker.
I thought crazy people were not allowed to purchase or own weapons.
Who sold this nut, this insane person, a gun? Why was he not incarcerated?
The talking heads will only look into the effect, not the cause.
There is no comprehensive mental background check for firearms. A complete travesty that was never fixed even after the Virginia Tech massacre almost 3 years ago.
The state of hate allows anyone who wants a gun to buy a gun...no rules here.
Bongo: I apologize for my minor spelling error on a troubling day. Thanks for catching it.
he def. needed or needs help poor fellow, and who sold him a gun, who says it had to be legally sold JWA??? some how I have to feel a bit of sympathy for him, I feel for those killed too and hurt...this country is def. on the downswing, everyone is feeling disinfranchised, robbed of their rights, scrambling for what little is left(remember the movie Mad Max)oh, am I rambling...scary isn't it?
@just wandering around - It is easy to buy a firearm in Arizona. I own one and my purchase was easy. Filled a paperwork, waiting 15 minutes and that was it. You can also carry a concealed weapon without a permit now, except in places were alcoholic beverages are served, meaning no bars, stadiums, restaurants, clubs... I know I have my business in order and even if a couple people might have thought I was nuts at one time or other, I know I am not deranged to the point of killing anyone, except maybe in self defense or the defense of others. But never in my process of purchasing a weapon did I talk to a shrink or had any forced lessons as they do in most countries that allow firearms possession. That's what bothered me. Not that I personally was able to obtain a weapon but that insane individuals as this one can.
If the posts are his (at the Huff. Post this a.m. some question about that arose) then he's pretty clearly deranged.
That doesn't excuse Sarah Palin from publishing a "map" of her political targets embellished with crosshairs and then mounting a celebratory "target practice" event as a publicity gimmick. When you incite people to violence, even if you pretend it's tongue-in-cheek violence, some unhinged folks will act on it.
Dare one say it? If our country provided decent health care to its citizens, this might not have happened.
@just wandering around - This year, AZ governor signed into law a bill to allow people to carry concealed weapons WITHOUT a permit.
Also news reports have stated that the Loughner home is five miles from the supermarket, but rather a hike re your comment about walking distance.
Sad. This guy is mentally ill, and the toxic political environment in the US has certainly contributed to this tragedy.
Time to tone it down Beck, Palin, et al.
A Tucson tea party–affiliated group was responsible for spreading the rumor that Obama had used mind control on the American people: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6nxHEPGO3g
The original article has since been removed, but it's also discussed here: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=77…
Go figure.
With all this talk about Beck and Palin who would have imagined this? - one of the shooter's friends remembers him as a quite liberal, left winger.. http://twitter.com/caitieparker I really think there is more to this story than politics, kids...
@OutOf - what difference does that make? Murder is still against the law and it still happens.. What would a law that prohibited concealed carry prevented today?
To "just wandering around"... who said he bought the pistol legally? Do you know something the police don't know yet?
I think we will find out he is on Ritalin and where are his PARENTS????
How about them 2nd amendment rights.
Is this what you self richeous people had in mind.
No, people like that are never incarcerated until *after* they murder a few innocents. So called "medical authorities" and families alike are loath to admit there is a problem they cannot deal with and besides, institutional care is very expensive! Drugs are the answer! Too bad the schitzos hate to take them, and so its only a matter of time before the next horrific event. Of course there will be an uproar to prevent the sale of guns, etc. as if that would solve the problem. I don't think Beck has ever promoted any kind of violence, or even the idea that government is corrupt - in his railings against the so called "progressive socialist agenda etc."
Laurie Dann committed her killing spree long before Palin, Beck, etc. were known. In short, don't shift blame to third parties. The nut with the gun (Jerod) is the ONLY one to blame for today's murderous rampage. There are undiagnosed mentally ill people in this country who currently possess firearms. That's why it's imperative that the rest of us who are sane are able to protect ourselves and our loved ones while in public through lawful carry of firearms. My prayers go out to all the families who are suffering today because of the acts of a lunatic. Peace.
For anyone interested in trying to understand this (to the extent that it's possible), you need to read Eric Hoffer's "The True Believer." It's arguably the most cogent explanation of the psychology of fanaticism ever written.
It's better than the prose stylings of Deepak Chopra. If there's anything more than the impressionistic pseudo-syllogism in the bag of tricks, I could see this stuff selling OK packaged as a duodecimo in "crunchy" venues. Maybe a line of postcards.
He still used 'Myspace?'
I think that might be the very definition of 'crazy' in the DSM-IV.
I am so pleased to see most of the people on this blog realize and understand this guy was severely and chronically mentally ill with looks like classic schizophrenia as most of you already stated. WHY DON'T THESE STUPID POLITICIANS... MCCAIN, THE AZ GOVERNOR ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT THE REVENGE THEY'RE GOING TO INSURE THE INSANE SHOOTER GETS????
You people in Arizona think you want to be free from government. This is what
happens when you let any and all persons think they are free from government. I think maybe we need more government. Goverment has a function.
I agree with several other comments here...I think it is highly likely that this young man was suffering from schizophrenia. His rantings have several red flags that go along with this: 1) paranoid ideas about brainwashing and mind control 2) repeating ideas over and over (perseveration) 3) possibly hallucinations - what he refers to as "conscience dreaming". He may have been seeing things and attributes them to dreaming rather than hallucinations. His rantings don't make logical sense but that is to be expected.
The most recent commenter, OutOfPatience, made excellent points. The shooter seems to have been a schizophrenic in the peak of a psychotic episode, so was suggestible to the outrageous remarks of Palin, Limbaugh et.al. that political opponents needed "killing". If there is a Hell, they'll rot there for eternity for what they did. We need to remember Palin's behavior when she attempts to run for President.
And if unemployed young people and their parents had good mental health care available to them at an affordable price, this guy might have been medicated and not a danger to others or himself. But I guess that would be too "liberal" for many of us.
It's also time to rethink how necessary a real waiting period is during a gun purchase for the purpose of checking out the buyer's mental health. Though most schizophrenics don't commit violence, it is all too possible for them not to have adequate medication and use guns irrationally if they have access. Guns make killing people too easy for them to be available to people with minimal control of their impulses, like children and schizophrenics. That is one thing we could change.
@logic101:
We need more guns in the hands of the sane to stop the acts of the insane?
How often does that work out? Did some sane person pull a gun and stop this lunatic?
And what if they had? Who's to say someone else might not have then thought that person was part of the killing, and then pulled their gun?
The maths is simple...
More guns = more deaths.
Don't believe me? Try looking at some statistics on gun-related deaths.
Flood the country with Aliens and drive up our debt to the Federal Reserve until 10-15 percent are out of work, esp. young and inexperienced people. Then supersaturate the culture with materialist entertainment and 4,000 ad's per day... Then wonder why this type of thing happens.
We live in a sick, shallow culture and the religious nonsense does't pacify people who think scientifically..
I say kill this waste of space and be done with it, but you can bet the media will work to overexpose and normalize his behavior...
Having read some of what the alleged shooter posted on the Internet, I believe he's insane. However, the right wing must take some responsibility for this atrocity. Rhetoric which calls for violence by words or symbols (e.g., rifle sights in ads), is irresponsible at best. It can be misinterpreted by the unstable and cause irreparable harm. I'm a baby boomer who's lived through far too many assassinations and you bet your boots I'm for gun control - and proud. All the politicians' expressions of sympathy regarding this tragedy are very nice but, when will they themselves, (especially those pols who encourage and benefit from right wing propaganda), tone it down? To quote a hymn written in 1955: "Let there be peace on earth and let it begin with me."
Psychological testing before purchasing an assault weapon. This kid obviously suffering from mental illness. I agree with the person above that wrote: " the toxic political environment in the US has certainly contributed to this tragedy".
My prayer goes out to all the families of the slain and injured.
@ jb:
Cite your statistics. I read the FBI statistics on all gun crimes and their findings are what I base my position on. Not some anti-gun group or the NRA. Peace.
I wonder if he drove his car into that crowd whether people would be opining as to who sold him that car and whether there should be mental health screens to purchase cars.
Crazy people with intent to kill will find a way. Get a clue.
I live in Arizona. The laws out here are ridiculous. There are zero gun laws. Anyone can get and conceal a weapon. Even nut bags like this.
@ LastHonestPerson - well said. I completely agree with you. I cannot understand what is wrong with some of these right-wingers, that say this healthcare bill is evil, and don't see any problem with anyone owning a gun. My mother has cancer and lost her job, then her healthcare, she was unable to afford any healthcare under the old system, since they discriminate against pre-existing conditions. Obama tried to remove pre-existing conditions from insurance premiums completely, but that was turned down by republicans in the senate. He was only able to remove pre-existing conditions for children, but it's a start. Republicans are so blind-sided on the importance of government intervention and regulation; they want to deregulate everything which led to this whole financial crisis, Enron...and a whole load of problems.
It's obvious "Professor Anonymus" (a few comments down) is unaware of being in lock step with the style of thinking that leads to these sorts of tragedies in the first place.
Don't ever ever blame and point the finger at a Mexican again. Let this be stoned in the memories of all the bigot Americans that this was a white kid who was sick in the head, probably supported the tea party and was probably fueled with the hatred that is spawned from conservative politicians like the rat shit governor from Arizona, Sarah Succubus Palin, Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and other pieces of garbage that Make America look like the worst of the human race. Congratulations guys.. all the poison you've spewed onto ignorant, psychotic American's backfired and you are to blame. I hope this eats at you forever so you can see what you have turned this country into. Unfortunately alot of the people in this country need to seriously do some soul searching as the sheriff said.
Bongo, you're seriously worried about grammar right now? Wow. Give Dan a break, jeez.
I disagree with the conclusion people have jumped to that he is mentally ill.
"New currency" appears to be a reference to the idea that without currency, governments have no power. I recommend watching Zeitgeist Addendum.
By the way prayer does nothing, it's a waste of time. Prayer is for crazy people.
I CLEARLY KNOW what this guy is trying to do -- ESTABLISH HIMSELF as MENTALLY INSANE. ANY EASY WAY TO getaway even with the worst crimes. Do weird things, write things that make him look like a mentally ill creature.
A former college friend of mine suddenly and without warning "came down" with paranoid schizophrenia in her late 30's. It got so bad the police had to get involved; prior to this she had no police record whatsoever.
Even then, her parents were in denial and refused to get her the treatment she so desperately needed though they could easily have afforded it (sadly she later committed suicide). After all, it couldn't be possible that their loving daughter had "gone crazy"!
We still have a long ways to go when it comes to recognizing and dealing with mental illness. My heart goes out to the victims, the shooter, and their families.
As a social worker, my "off the cuff" assessment based on available information is that this sounds like classic schizophrenic behavior. Some person in this young man's life knew something was "odd" about his behavior but most likely could not persuade him to seek help. Probably not too many services even available with the state of mental health services in this country.
Sitting here in California watching this story unfold, I think about how sad ir is for the victims and their families. I send my prayers to them and to Arizona. This is a sad day that will remain a stain in the history books.
What occurred today in Tucson is a tragedy.
There are some pretty huge flaws in our system (AZ and the US) in regard to mental health. Unless a person is under court ordered treatment they cannot be forced to take medication. Even then the system is so overburdened that keeping up with every client is difficult at best. It is quite taxing to get an adult into 'the system' without either filing a motion with the court or an arrest.
As far as firearms laws in AZ, they are what they are. The Second Amendment is upheld in Arizona in a way that is in line with the Constitution. IMHO, we are doing it right. (Firearms laws are one of the very few upsides to living in AZ)
Please don't bother to drone on about how we should disarm the people, add a waiting period, or legislate firearms out of the hands of the people. Whatever you may have to say, that is one of the few issues where my stance is firm, founded in fact and does NOT waver.
I used to own a firearms business. Waiting periods don't change anything. Disarming law abiding citizens does not change anything. Even legislation does not change anything....for criminals.
Any person who is either ill or hell bent on causing violence will find a way.
Please refrain from using the term 'assault weapon' or 'automatic weapon'. Would you feel less assaulted if you were shot with a .22? I think not. Do you have any idea what an 'automatic weapon' is? If you are speaking of a Class III weapon, they ARE regulated and taxed (heavily). If you are speaking of the Glock that was reported in the news, it was most likely a semi-automatic weapon. Full-auto Glocks are more of a fun at the range thing than an actual take out about town weapon. They are also pretty rare.
This young man obviously needs help. His parents aren't really an issue as he is 22 years old. An adult. If his parents have contributed to his going so astray I would think that it will come to light. They are still not responsible for their child's actions (morally perhaps? hard to say.)
My heart goes out to the families who have been affected by this horrible incident.
I hope that folks can find a way to focus on the REAL issues at hand and not look for ways to incite more discord on political issues. I'm pretty sure we have quite enough of that already.
He was sane enough to say good bye to his friends and tell them not to be mad at him. Screw INSANE! He planned this, wrote about it, made a decision to go to this store and put a gun to the head of 19 people. I hope he is found GUILTY!!!!! You don't get to plea crazy when you created a plan and carried it out. Give me a break. Crazy people don't ask for forgiveness and in multiple places. He knew what he was doing, and yes people can have an opinion, but he left his house and knew EXACTLY what he was doing! Anyone that says different is full of C@#$!!!!!!!!! Thank God Gabby is alive!!!!
As a gentleman from the SCLC demonstrated on Olbermann tonight, each of the "insanities" expressed on the websites has its origins in one or several far-right theories.
went through them one by one with historical attributions to the creators of these theories and how they have been elaborated over the years.
if you think Loughner was insane, then you must believe that the whole right wing is crazy in some regard and the far right wing crazy in every aspect. And you would be right.
And it's responsible as much as its poor pawn for today's shooting.
By the way, the Pima County Fairgrounds has rented itself out for Crossroads of the West, a gun show chased out of California when LA. County supervisors decided it was inciting violence and carelessly permitting sale of weapons to criminals and suspected drug gangs.
It opens on January 14. There's still time for the Pima Fairgrounds Commission to withdraw its invitation to Crossroads. Its appearance here is neither timely nor honorable.
Oh my goodness! Of course, people will start to blame Sarah Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, and other conservatives, including the Tea Party for this shooting. This shooting is on Loughner, PURE AND SIMPLE. If it weren't for one reason, it would be another. You simply can NOT blame anyone but the shooter for the shooting. He would have found his excuse, no matter what. In fact, he was ANTI conservative--ANTI Republican. Even HE did not use the right as his excuse. Please do not start this blame game. Yes, Sarah Palin's committee who put the "political" (not literal) targets on those they wanted defeated in the election, but they took it down, wisely. Loughner never even mentioned that in any of his posts, that have been found so far. Blame him. Do NOT blame anyone but Loughner. PLEASE. Use common sense. Do not inflame people more.
Olbermann is always bragging how superior he is in grammar and being literate, seems alot like Loughner did.
Maybe that is who the sheriff was talking about.
Also from what I read
Loughner seems to use "currency" as his ideas / beliefs
not as money
Everyone: Please tone it down. Be respectful; be civil. If you want to be rude or rant aimelessly, go elsewhere. Thanks.
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