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Tuesday, May 11, 2010
Politics SB 1070 Poll: 71% of Americans Believe New Immigration Law Will Lead to Hispanics Getting Hassled By The Man
Posted by Jim Nintzel on Tue, May 11, 2010 at 2:45 PM
The Economist shared some poll numbers regarding Arizona's new immigration law last week along with a bit of analysis:
In the 1990s a similar backlash occurred in response to a Californian law, Proposition 187, approved by ballot in 1994 but blocked by the courts before it could go into effect. Supported by Pete Wilson, the Republican governor at the time, its objective was to keep illegal immigrants, most of whom were and are Hispanic, from using public services such as education and health care, and like the Arizona law, it required police to check up on suspects’ immigration status. Instead, 187 galvanised Latinos, who registered to vote in record numbers and changed the politics of California permanently. Even Republicans now fear alienating them.
But the question remains: Will Arizona Latinos start voting?
Some other poll takeaways from The Economist:
• In this week's paper we say the backlash has begun (amongst Latinos) against the Arizona immigration law. But 58% of Americans approve of the law, while only 28% disapprove. And 57% of those who don't live in Arizona want their own state to pass such a law. Dios mio!
• At least most supporters aren't kidding themselves—71% of Americans believe it is likely that Hispanic citizens will be questioned by police because of the new law.
• Here's an interesting fact: 29% of Hispanics approve of the Arizona law. Just over half (51%) strongly disapprove of it.
• It's difficult to secure the border in piecemeal fashion, yet nearly half (48%) of the public thinks
states should be permitted to set their own immigration policies, while 34% would leave it to the federal government.
• Nearly three out of four Republicans would let individual states set immigration policy; a majority of Democrats would not. I wonder if these numbers would hold up if, say, Arizona's law granted all illegal immigrants amnesty in the eyes of the state.
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What hog wash! If your going to lie to everyone ... you should kiss them too! After all isn't that what you do when you want to screw them! Your position is diametrically opposed to the truth. I would consider this ... "Yellow Journalism" ... much the same as yellow snow.
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bobby george - did you not actually follow the links to the Economist's poll where 71% of respondents said the Hispanics were very likely or somewhat likely to be questioned by the police? http://media.economist.com/images/pdf/Topl…
Geckoman: So what?! Get them the hell out of my country, the illegal alians, that is. Get 'em out! Question them, interrogate them, arrest them, deport them. No more free lunch!
They are over populating the United States of America worse than any race. They are over breeding and are slowly bringing down our economy, with there false social security numbers. They are leaches that are feeding off the state funded programs such as food stamps and housing assistance as well as many others! how is it that a whole fiesta of a family can come over here illegally have baby's at our hospitals free of charge which makes there children fully documented citizens which are eligible for state funded assistance!!! deport them all before its to late before they soften your heart with there sob stories about how bad Mexico is and there life's were so horrible but then come over hear and disgrace our flag and all it stands for!!!! and this is coming from a Native American (boycott Arizona)
After Effects of SB1070 Passing:
Legal Hispanic population will start boycotting Arizona. Black people will also be targeted of the law because there are many dark colored Hispanics. This is like the Racial Law in Italy and Germany passed in 1922. Joe Arpajo proposer of Bill and head of the White Supremacist Group. Immediate effects of Bill – Negative impact on economy, negative impact on tourism, Mexican President Calderon has asked tourists no to visit Arizona. South American countries are starting to discuss how to boycott tourism to Arizona as well. Europe travel agencies are cancelling trips to Arizona as well. Trade is also being affected, American companies are also cancelling trade agreements with Arizona. Sports- 1/3 of NFL and MLB players are latinos and have already started to boycott. The relationship between cops and population will suffer as well with risks of increased crime rate. Civil Rights Law suits will weigh down on the already bad economy. Arizona was the last state in the union to recognize Martin L. King holiday and the only reason why they did at the end was because they were being overwhelmed with being boycotted. For every action there is a consequence. I too believe something should be done with illegal immigration but to give the authority to police to ask for ones legal status simply because driving while brown is totally rediculous and racist. The state should make tougher laws against employers who hire illegals.
I am ashame of all this comments when i work as a manager most of the time I am paying taxes (pennies) for white folks who enter my store with a bunch of coupons holding every one on line, Any way so far I have not seen a mexican sleeping under a bridge or holding a sign saying I work for food.
Allstar, Why should the responsibility be placed on business? They already are burdened by hundreds of regulation, have to collect taxes for the IRS (Income, SS, Medicare) plus pay taxes and on and on. IT'S THE FED'S JOB TO ENFORCE THE LAW BUT THEY AREN'T DOING IT OR DON'T HAVE THE STAFF TO DO.
The Arizon law just gives the state and local police the right to ask a simple question, ARE YOU IN THE US LEGALLY?????
Big deal, deal with it.
Don in Ohio and yes we have illegals here too!
Because if the businesses dont hire them they cant eat. All the mexicans I know work hard for what they own. I cant recall if I've ever seen a mexican standing on street corners asking for money or sleeping under bridges. If you give the state and local police the right to ask for ones legal status then it should be asked of ALL, colors and races. I have cousins who are light skinned with green eyes and friends who are canadian are you going to let those slip through the cracks as well.
Wow. . . The only good news I see in those numbers is that most people don't think churches should have to turn in people who don't have the papers the law requires.
What is it about immigration that bothers you? Is it crime? Then push for more criminal investigations-- we have plenty of laws on the books against crimes we care about like murder, theft, drug trafficking, etc. The people who commit those crimes are not going to be easy to find; it will require real work to pursue them. If you start targeting people because of their immigration status, the people you will catch easily are not the criminals you despise.
Is it the effect on wages that bothers you? Then push for strict enforcement of our labor laws. There are plenty of businesses in Arizona who do not pay the required legal wage. This is because the Department of Labor does very little enforcement work in our state and the Attorney General does none whatsoever. If you enforce labor laws then there's no incentive for anyone to seek out people to work for less.
See, immigration is just a red herring. And yelling about immigration turns us against one another, white vs. brown.
Well just for the record if it is Illegal, Immoral, or Indecent it is not right.
Everyone knows the truth about Illegal's and how they drain down the economy and do not really care if they are considered an American or not. Thumbs up to Arizona /Jan Brewer for making the first move in the Legal direction because it is illegal to go into any country or state for that matter undocumented and it is a disturbing thought to think that you would be neighboring such careless lawbreakers without enough dignity to even come in the country correctly I have a three year old and I truly do not want her being taught by someone that does'nt even follow the rules themselves.It is immoral for all these babies to be conceived out of wedlock and it is indecent for anybody that think's it is ok to break a law or flat out disregard it .It is UNCONSTTUTIONAL.Leaders of America wake up and think about those of us that are dealing with the over population hands on day after day. We want our job's back and we want our pensions back and we want our social security back. Thank you! And i do not agree with the 71%. The law is aimed toward all illegal immigrants and they know who they are because it is written all over their actions and re-actions. THE MAN is only doing their job.
Yea, right. All the same claims where said about Prop – 204 in 2000, Prop – 200 in 2004 and Props – 100, 102, 103, 300 in 2006. The open boarders crowd has a poor record when it come to predicting the effect of a law. However there is still dumb luck.
People: 1) Knock it off with the name-calling. Your comments will be deleted if they aren't at least somewhat civil. 2) Please read your comments--maybe even spell-check them--and realize how ... well, dumb some of you look. Grammar, spelling ... these things are important, and you don't help your case if your comments read like they were written by a sleepy third-grader. Thank you.
to Allstar and Don in Ohio. Haven't you ever seen a day laborer facility. We have one not far from where I live in California. There are about 100 people (mostly Latino) who stand out there all day hoping that someone will pick them up. They are not only at the day laborer site but all up and down the street. The only thing missing is a "Work for Food" sign. I'll just bet that, if an ICE vehicle showed up they would scatter like leaves.
LindaRay64 You must not be reading these posts or are intentionally misreading them. No one here is complaining about legal immigration. We are very concerned with ILLEGAL immigration.
Wizardbard, what exactly is it about illegal immigration that bothers you, then? Please don't just reflexively say that it is a crime that should be stopped; I imagine you are not similarly upset about jaywalking, for example. What I'm getting at is this: what is at the core of what you don't want? Imagine for a moment that legal status is irrelevant. What is it that you see around you that you want to change? Again, if it's crime, then go after people who commit the crimes that anger you: theft, fraud, murder, etc. If it's an issue of wages, then push for enforcement of labor laws. But zeroing in on illegal immigration gets you nowhere on either crime or wages, if those are the things that are important to you.
This new law is to enforce the current federal & state laws that have been put in place 70 years ago. It's straight up illegal to live in this Country without any papers, such as DL, working visa, green card, etc. Our Federal government has not been enforcing our current laws, so Arizona decided to take their own action with bill 1070. Most people who are against this bill need to do better research on this bill. It's not racial profiling or taking away civil rights. It's the LAW to have documentation in America. It's that simple, our state spends so much ridiculous money on illegal aliens such as hospitals & schools. Our state would not be in this deep of a whole if it were not for these illegal aliens. This law enforces the current law for officers to detain & arrest any illegal aliens. The officers are not going to go to an ice cream shop & look for illegal aliens & arrest them, as our uneducated Obama described as this bill came out, he is a disgrace to this country. It would be any routine call such as traffic stops, car accidents, robberies, shootings, and murders, anybody committing a crime. When you are stopped by law enforcement what do they always ask you?.....for your ID of course. Americans are asked for their ID when they buy alcohol, a home, a car, a gym membership, when you use your credit card, when you go into a bar, etc. YOU’RE ALWAYS BEING ASKED TO SHOW ID. Come on America open your eyes, this racial profiling that people think is going to happen is so upsetting. We have a black President for crying out loud, who can't even show us his birth certificate. We are the Country we are b/c we have laws, which is what makes this Country so great. Open your eyes & understand the bill the way it was written & stop feeling sorry for people that have broken the law, by crossing the border & living in America as an illegal alien. Educate yourself America….do your own research on this 1070 bill. Don’t listen to Obama or any biased news stations. You need to read the facts my friends, the bill is only 16 pages long! Please educate!
tucsonJ as i live here in az I approve this law. if anyone has been through a boarder patrol check point they ask every single car if you are a legal citizen. whats the difference if the police do it too? most people complaining about this new law dont even live here. get over yourselves!
You can make a poll say anything you want by manipulating those polled to manipulating the questions asked! They use to say those who live by the polling, die by the polling. So, polls are for idiots who don't know how to utilize logic and critical thinking for themselves. I have been stopped and harassed by the police for speeding three times lately ... I call it harassment ... they called it doing their jobs. It is all a matter of perception which is normally biased to the side making the statements.
To Rachel W. -- I could write a book on this subject but I'll try to keep it as brief as possible. All crime bothers me from J walking up to murder. I'm "zeroing in" on immigration because that happens to be the topic of discussion on this board. I am anti ILLEGAL immigration because it is illegal. Approximately 30% of the prisoners in our jails are here illegally. Illegal immigration is one contributing factor to our deteriorating infrastructure, the severe financial issues we are experiencing in our hospitals, cities and states. Our porous borders let in not only illegal immigrants but drug smugglers and terrorists and our wonderful government is not doing it's job in sealing off the border and protecting it's citizens. Businesses hire illegals because they work for considerably less money that a citizen would and they can't complain to the authorities because they're illegal. I am against providing a path to citizenship for the 20 million or so illegals who are already in this country because they would then be eligible to bring in all their relatives and the 20 million would become 60 or 80 million. That's enough for now. If you need additional reasons, let me know.
Ok, let me take your issues one by one.
1) deteriorating infrastructure/financial crisis. This is a very real problem, but one that is not caused by illegal immigration. Most illegal immigrants *do* pay taxes, in the form of payroll withholding and sales taxes. Also, because most undocumented people do not file tax returns, they do not get tax refunds that they are likely entitled to. The situation for social security is even more acute because the undocumented will never get the benefits of the social security they pay into the system. By using either an ITN (individual taxpayer number) or a false SSN, there is simply no mechanism to get the SS benefits. The notion that most illegal immigrants work solely for cash is erroneous.
2) drug trafficking/terrorism. Again, this has nothing to do with illegal immigration. Whether someone is here legally is not related to drug smuggling or terrorism. In fact, most of the terrorist incidents we've seen recently have been committed by *legal* immigrants or US citizens. In terms of drug smuggling, talk about fighting *drug smuggling* and drop the reference to immigration, because they are similarly unrelated. Drug smugglers are citizens, legal immigrants, and illegal immigrants; just focusing on illegal immigrants casts the net far wider than just drug smugglers and gets you only a portion of the drug smugglers.
3) labor. Strict enforcement of our labor laws would prevent employers from seeking people willing to work for less than the legal wage. And, imagine, with strict enforcement of our labor laws, *all* of us would be guaranteed the legal wage.
Sure, you're against all law-breaking, but if there were a forum on jaywalking, I kind of doubt you'd get so exercised. But it's *not* illegal immigration that causes the problems you speak of. And solving those problems requires confronting the actual problems (recession, drug smuggling, labor issues). Illegal immigration is just a distraction-- and a distraction that is harmful because it a) keeps us from confronting the real problems; and b) contributes to hate.
Rachel W:
Well said. Couldn't have expressed it more clearly myself.
To those who support SB 1070:
1. It is the nature of all walls to fail. China's wall fell. Berlin's wall fell. Any wall you attempt to erect between the US and Mexico will fall. The solution is not to attempt to block immigrants (illegal or otherwise); the solution is to learn how to live with them - and how to integrate them into the area.
2. You're overlooking the element of SB 1070 that's the most disturbing: Private citizens being able to slap law enforcement with nuisance suits if they feel that enough isn't being done about all them there nasty immigints. Do you have any idea how much money this will cost, and how badly it'll bog the courts?
Pay attention, folks, and the next time you want to talk about something that "everybody knows", be willing and able to provide links to support your claims, or understand that you're probably spouting nonsense.
Rachel W If you're going to comment on my posts at least you do me the common courtesy of reading them. I said that illegal immigration was "ONE CONTRIBUTING FACTOR" to these problems and one that must be addressed along with all the others. I certainly don't have all the facts but I would bet you that the majority of illegal immigrants do not pay taxes and do not pay into social security because their employers don't want to government to know that they're hiring illegal aliens.
Re drug smuggling, I want the border sealed to shut off all illegal immigration as well as drug smuggling and the very real possibility that terrorists are sneaking into the country as well.
If J walking created all the social issues that illegal immigration caused, I would get just as worked up. Comparing illegal immigration to j walking is a specious argument at best and likening apples to oranges at worst.
Yes, our labor laws must be strictly enforced. We need some sort of non counterfitable document that employers must, by law, see before hiring someone. Then the employers who hire people in the country illegally should be severely fined. Once the jobs dry up and the birthright provision in the 14th amendment is revoked, illegal immigration will stop.
I don't "HATE" anyone any I deeply resent that implication. I just want our laws enforced.
Wizardbard, you haven't read my posts, either. You're saying illegal immigration is a contributing factor to these social problems. I'm saying it's not a factor because it's not a *cause* of these problems. It's simply a parallel phenomenon. You haven't pointed to one thing that says that illegal immigration *causes* any of the problems you talk about.
Wizard let me explain a few things to you, from my perspective.
Drug smuggling is not going to end unless the demand ends! Its a supply and demand business, if nobody buys it, then there's no need for drug smugglers. If you close the borders, they'll just find some cop to pay off! This isn't new...
So the question is when the last time you had a joint? Are you contributing to the demand? Are any of your family members, friends. We cant be hypocrites to the main problems!
Are you as angry at people who use cellphones while driving as you are at illegals?
They cause many deaths of Americans!
I agree with you about enforcing the laws, but.........
This issue did no start here in the U.S.A. Many of these illegals tried to go to their consultes in their countries but it's not a line like many people seem to implicate (repub's)
No, there's no such thing as a line, a legitimate one at least!
My dad tried to bring my grandma of 75 years here after my grandpa died last year. After months of waiting she finally got an interview. She goes and the officer says " are your kids legal in the USA. She answers, yes. Then he says, "ok then they can come visit you."
What the hell is that, she's not coming to live here. She wanted to visit her kids before dyeing but this a**hole said she wasnt a prime candidate. My uncle in law has a connection at the consulate that can get them visas for $10,000. What the hell is that?
The laws that are in place are bogus and only push illegal immigration forward. Corruption reigns in our shit countries, even inside US territories! That's why many have come here illegally: fleeing, fleeing persecution by governments or gangs, or jut to finally meet up with their family members that are here.
WE NEED IMMIGRATION REFORM!!!!
Wizardbard if you truly cared about enforcing our laws, dont forget to also write your congressmen and let him know that the state of Arizona in its misguided efforts in trying to stop illegal immigration they TOO have overstepped their boundaries and currently under investigation and being sued by many groups in an economy that is already hurting. I have no problem if the police asks me for my id, I never have but the real problem I have with this new law is that you have given the state and local police the right to ask for ones legal status if you are perceived to be under suspicion or better yet (driving while brown). I have cousins who are light skinned with green eyes and friends who are canadian are you going to let them slip through the cracks. I too believe something needs to be done about ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION but I feel the state has totally gone the wrong way about it, if the state would have just came out and said that the new law will give the authority to ask of everyones legal status to be here, alot of the headaches would of simply been prevented.
@Rachel W
I wonder if you have actually read the total of the Arizona law. It specifically forbid profiling and forbids police to ask for proof of citizenship unless some other crime has been committed. If any local authority engages in "profiling" then the problem is with the people committing the profiling and not the law itself. Nowhere in this law do they say anything about a specific race, color or creed.
Since you asked me why I so passionately am opposed to illegal immigration, I would like to know why you so passionately defend it and the people who violate our laws to come here. Turn about is fair play.
Boycott the Boycotters
As bad as our national economy is, I have not heard a single word from President Obama condemning Arizona boycotts. Doesn't he realize boycotts of Arizona will not only hurt Arizona but will also hurt the economy of the rest of the US? The Grand Canyon National Park alone attracts about two million international visitors per year.
This is just one of many Arizona SB 1070 support sites that have been put online in the last few days: http://arizonaboycotts.org BOYCOTTS WILL NOT WORK
Hi, Wizard. Actually, I haven't been following the haggling posts at all. I was just interested in the chart, because it appears that folks in general don't think churches should have to turn in people who might be in the country illegally. I'm actually pretty much all about putting illegal immigrants in my car, personally, as a gesture I may consider essential to exercising my religion per the first ammendment. I'm glad most folks aren't ready to come after me with a pitchfork about it.
Sorry, that last should have been aimed at allstar. However, Rachel W, I'd still like to know why you so passionately defend people who have violated our laws. Just curious
@ Linda Ray64 You got me. That should have been addressed to someone else. I thought the name of the person writing the post was at the top and not at the bottom. Sorry.
Hi Wizardbard-- Indeed I have read the law. I'm an immigration and labor lawyer. I would like to direct you to the new version of SB 1070 (enacted under HB 2162). This version requires police to determine immigration status at any "lawful stop, detention, or arrest...in the enforcement of any other law or ordinance of a county, city or town in this state." There are two things here that are troubling: 1) lawful stop; and 2) enforcement of any ordinance.
First, under the law, any stop that is lawful is a lawful stop. Police are allowed to stop people for all kinds of reasons, many of which are not related to crimes. For example, say a person is walking down the sidewalk with shoelaces untied. It is lawful for the police to stop that person and say, "Hey, your shoelaces are untied. Be careful." A "lawful stop" is a very broad thing. On the surface, it appears to be limited by the phrase "in the enforcement of..." but in the past courts have not defined lawful stop so narrowly and the very fact that we will have to have a court rule on this question is troubling.
Second, in explicitly saying that the enforcement of "ordinances" is one of the situations in which immigration status can be checked, lawmakers have signaled their desire to check for status for very minor violations, such as cars up on blocks in the yard. In fact, the author of the bill, Kris Kobach, suggested just this to Russell Pearce when discussing changes to SB 1070.
The law does not, as you so vehemently insist, restrict the checking of status to times when a crime is being investigated. Perhaps the greatest proof of that is that the *present* law allows police officers to inquire into immigration status when investigating crimes. Plus, once arrested, *all* people currently have their immigration status checked automatically.
Even though this law is not yet "active," there have already been profound effects. Police in Maricopa County have taken its enactment as carte blanche to stop people *walking down the sidewalk* and ask for their legal status. My phone has been ringing off the hook with people calling for exactly this situation.
The law forbids profiling. But I ask you...how can you have a reasonable suspicion that someone is an illegal immigrant? Since I work with immigrants with varying degrees of legal status all day, let me tell you: immigrants are white, black, brown, speak English, French, Spanish, etc. So how exactly do you tell who is an immigrant? And how do you tell who is here illegally? I personally fear the police will simply assume that people who are brown are illegal immigrants. And, based on my experience so far, that appears to be exactly the case.
Indeed, I said "varying degrees of status" above because legal status is just that-- a continuum. The notion that there is a bright line between legal and illegal is simply a myth. This is why you can't say illegal immigration causes crime, degradation of infrastructure, drug smuggling-- because you can't always say who is and who isn't an illegal immigrant. Immigration law is as complicated as the Internal Revenue Code. It often takes immigration courts years to sort out "legal" from "illegal." So, again, if you're worried about crime, etc., you're barking up the wrong tree with going after the issue of immigration.
Since you are vehemently against this law, how do you suggest we handle the issue of illegal immigration? I've read and heard a lot about how bad this law is but I have yet to hear a plausible suggestion as to what to do about it.
Lets think about this for a second, an officer pulls over a white guy, do you think hes going to ask for Legal documents stating hes a U.S. Citizen? Lets Assume the same day he pulls over a Latino, do you think hes gonna ask for Legal documents stating hes a U.S. Citizen? Of course he is gonna ask for documentation for a Latino oppose to a white person, obviously there is racial profiling involved. This bill is aimed at profiling Latino individuals.
And the economy is not being drained by welfare and government funded programs being sucked by Latinos. You people are ignorant, the biggest drain on the economy is health care and the Military. Furthermore the country is majority white and the majority white are the ones who live on the welfare and government funded programs who don't have health insurance who drain our healthcare. Lets be honest this bill is based on the reality that we don't want any more Hispanics in our country, and personally i don't want anymore either, but don't sit here and provide all these untrue statements and facts. Just tell it like it is, we have enough brown people here, and we don't need them to shape our culture anymore.
Basically you people are using your judgments about Latinos to draw up false facts and its ignorant, the only truth is we are racist and we don't anymore hardworking, overpopulating Latinos in our country, ill tell it like it exactly is, the economy is phased little to nothing by immigrants, the bottom line is we just don't want them in our country anymore. I'm not gonna sit here and give you false facts and judgments it is what it is. we are a racist country we are just to coward to admit it. Nothing against Latinos, but our way of life is reserved for us. if all white people migrated to the south they would curse our name because, its the racism that is directly involved, not the economy. Stand up and say it like it is you cowards, were racist!! there is nothing illegal about being racist! speak your mind proudly
Sorry, Mr Truth but your argument is laughable. The vast majority of those in favor of the Arizona law and against illegal immigration could care less whether we're talking about brown people or black people or yellow people or chartreuse people with puce polka dots. Simply to play the race card is to say that you can't think of any other way to justify your position. Presenting facts that are warped and twisted to fit your own biased viewpoint doesn't impress me either
"...we are a racist country we are just to coward to admit it." - Mr. Truth
That's just about the most honest statement on this forum. The hard truth is that AZ just doesn't like all those brown people coming across the border. Arizona is the new Alabama circa 1963.
I bet Joe Arpaio has a 24-hr rock-hard woody just anticipating all those Mexicans he can dress up in pink and put 'em to work on the chain gang.
To Mr. Driving while Brown (and I don't really give a tinker's d__n what color you are). In answer to your questions
I don't use illegal drugs, never have. I don't have any relatives or friends who do either.
Yes, I bloody well am angry about people who use cellphones to talk or text while driving. It's against the law here in California and is extremely dangerous.
Regardless of the reason, violating the law is illegal. It is a slap in the face and a great disrespect to those who immigrated here while following the rules to even consider giving anyone who has come here illegally a path to citizenship other than leaving the US and getting line like everyone else.
Why don't you direct your bitching and complaining at the government in those countries that the illegals come from. It's the responsibility of those governments to raise the standard of living in those countries. If the government is corrupt, overthrow it.
Wizardbard, it's like I've been saying all along. Illegal immigration isn't the problem. The problems are crime, the recession, non-enforcement of labor laws, drug trafficking, etc. Those are complex and difficult problems that I do not know how to solve. But I do know this: fighting illegal immigration will not solve any of those problems. And it's dangerous to think it will because then you get all wrapped up in this side issue and it deflects attention from possible solutions to the real problems. Like me, here I am spending all day trying to convince you that illegal immigrants are not the problem when I could be somehow figuring out how to stop drug trafficking.
Rachel, you just don't seem to want to listen to what I'm saying. I never once said that illegal immigrants caused any of those problems, I said they contributed (along with many other factors) to the problems. The one undeniable fact is that people are coming here in violation of US law. They should be prosecuted and the employers who hire them should be prosecuted as well. Illegal immigration is the topic of discussion here and that's what I and many other are focusing on.
who got to participate in these polls? Nobody I know... So it seems that if you poll only people who hate, then you'll get the desired results. Statistics can easily be manipulated and are historically incorrect.
Sounds like they went to some area that specifically dislikes hispanics and took the poll. I don't know anyone who had an opportunity to partake in any of these polls. I can tell you I would never vote to punish children in any way for the actions of their parents. Not let them go to school? And I get a pretty good tan in the summer. If I'm harrassed I will be quite upset. I have black hair and it's happened in the past. Racism is un-American.
Unless you live here you don't know. They'd pull half of Tucson over if it was racial profiling. Including the police families
And yeah, their president should help his people instead of criticizing ours. Would we get the same treatment, privleges and respect in Mexico! No way.
But wizardbard, what you hate is crime and low wages, and the recession and all of that. You acknowledge that illegal immigration does not cause these things. So, now what's wrong with illegal immigration? Just the fact that it's illegal? You really want to spend resources on fighting something that is illegal but does not cause crime, low wages or drug trafficking? When you could spend those resources on the actual problems of crime, low wages, and drug trafficking? I'm sorry, but that's just not rational.
Hello Rachel, when I grow up I want to be just like you! Theres no getting through wizardbard. Wow, finally the truth appears to be coming out. I can totally respect you more as a person when you can admit racism does exist, Thanks for manning up daffygrl and mr. truth.
Illegals pay payroll taxes! Ha! What nonsense. There have been enough investigations that clearly show they claim enough deductions to bring the withholding down to zero. The deductions are phony, to go along with the fake social security numbers, but what the heck. They may pay sales tax because they have no choice, but they do not pay income tax.
I'm someone that has spent over a year in Mexico traveling for adventure. I can see why the Hispanics and some other nationalities want to come here.
We were a great country 20 years ago when the middle class was great!
Our government services, health care system as well education system were not designed for the inrush of low income people.
I own a large Co. I check all information given by my employees and yet I get several employees every year that update there social security #s.
My wife is a math teacher and tells me that the schools in California, Arizona, Texas are so over burdened. At my wifes school she has 36 & 42 students in each class. 1/2 her students hardly speak english and are all on free lunch program.
The teachers don't have the resources to handle such communication problems. Nor should they need to. Our language in the United States Of America is ENGLISH!
We shouldn't have to make anything multi lingual except tourist information, airports. Period!
The medical system is a joke and we give people costly care that aren't even paying taxs or send money to there homeland taking money out of our economy. Mexico has been growing and modernizing all new water and sewer systems custom homes and more money than ever is being spent in Mexico and it's all our money paying for it.
We need to stop the inrush and start checking papers on immigrants. Call it profiling if you want. But just remember who's causing the problem.
What we need to do to get the USA back in shape.
1. Get rid of illegals (if the parents are illegal any kid born here is illegal too)
2. Bring all the jobs we've sent to China back!
3. Pay China off(we owe them over a trillion $) Don't forget there a communist country.
4. Take the power away from the pharmaceutical companies. Now a days doctors are trained by pharmaceutical companies
5. Take control of the oil companies!
They same cars we have here in other countries get substantially higher gas mileage.
When I was in Europe I rented a VW Passat and it had a very good performing diesel
engine. I averaged 57mpg! I spoke to contractors over there that drive full size vans
trucks. I found a guy that had a 2 year old dodge truck and he gets 38mpg loaded.
6. Get the insurance companies in check and make it affordable to do business here.
The fewer people that pay in raises the prices to those that do.
Kinda sounds like health insurance.
HMMM just doesn't make since.
The bottom line is. Go back to your country and make change. Create a place you want to live and STOP taking advantage of or system. You ARE bringing the quality of life in this country down. For EVERYONE except you. You have not earned your rights therefor should have none! You have no entitlement.
Cut them off and send everyone home.
Oh yeah and look at our prison system. Look who fills the bulk population.
It doesn't surprise me that you would be condoning and defending illegal immigration since your very lively hood depends on it. It's also obvious to me that your mind is made up and you don't want to be confused with the facts. Very fortunately 70 of the citizens in this country agree with what Arizona is doing and some other states are going to try to instituted the same kind of law.
Once again, you've intentionally misstated what I said. I did say that illegal immigration is not the only cause of all these issues but that it certainly contributes to them. I also said, in another post, that I don't hate anyone. I just dislike lawbreakers, any lawbreakers. If you're going to quote me, at least get it right.
As far as I'm concerned, this conversation is over for the reasons mentioned in paragraph 1.
If your response was to me then I guess you didn't get the right view point. Yes I do have hispanics working for me. I also turn in the ones I catch. I have 658 employees and only 112 are hispanics. So no condoning going on here. Bus there asses home. I 100% back AZ!
No, my response was to Rachel W. She just doesn't want to acknowledge the cost of illegal immigration. 27% of our prison population is here illegally. How much do you suppose it costs to house and feed them. I could quote other figures and facts but I don't think Rachel would believe them. It seems she prefers to look at the world of illegal immigration through rose colored glasses
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