Darrell Beitel 
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Re: “The People’s Weed

As an additional note to those interested in ballot subjects. In 2015, there was at least $30B in Marijuana sold and consumed in the United States. At least $5B of that was legal, mostly medical marijuana. These numbers are growing 10%+ per year. They have been without any legal/law changes. 15 million plus people use marijuana at least weekly if not daily and almost half of adults have tried it. More than half (61%) the population supports “legalization” although 75% of those qualify that with heavy regulatory or Doctor/Medical criteria. Less than 10% are really opposed to zero legal use. Those people are concentrated where legal use is so, 15 to 20% of the people in 23 State and DC are monthly/weekly/daily users of marijuana.
I ask you some simple questions based on the above facts:
1. Are cars piling up on the roadways because of stoned drivers? Don’t give me the data argument. With 20% of the population and higher concentration of younger drivers and tests about driving stoned….even what we know from the States now. PS, we do not ask or do special data fields for driving while texting or organ donation deals but the data and studies are done with population data.
2. ER rooms filling up? Don’t you think we would know this already if it was a problem? Don’t give me the potency speech either. Home grown has been at that potency for 40+ years. Brownies and hashish have been around longer than toking. Go to pre-1937 medical books.
3. Kids do more? BS. Stuff is passing in States where use is already higher in teens and with popularity at 61% and the internet, TV and etc. Laws are with incarceration and everything else, well, laws are sucking. No one directly dies. Call the FDA and CDC. Sugar is addicting at higher rates. McDonald’s kills more people and they aren’t schedule by the DEA or even regulated by the FDA much. Kid’s are going to do what they do and we should keep it under 21. Sell against it and control advertising.
4. Where’ the War on Prescription Drugs?
5. We do drug studies with 100s and 000s of folks for a few months and declare victory with death rates. I could care less about exact statistical method, I can tell you if global warming science works, vaccines and GMOS along with nuclear weapon protocols, we could probably figure out some math. Huge users around a lot of people I dozens of states with zero direct deaths and indirect deaths less than aspirin. Side effect? I think I could get sample rates out of the population sample. I think we just need to want to know or already really do.
6. People making money in prohibition are like horse carriage makers or coal miners and etc. They are just going to have to go do something else. Fast. This lingering around the issue is bs.
7. Why are we trying to make this herbal medicine a drug? It is insane to take a natural plant and medicine and try and make it conform to a prescribed drug. You can’t overdose on it. This is very bad to even warrant the potential control of government, pharma and business into. This is an herb, plant.
8. If we removed all court ordered or trouble abated rehab for marijuana, how many cases of “addiction” are there a year? Schizophrenia with heavy marijuana use prior to onset? That list could go on and we could get info with CDC involved as they can get absent HIPAA info. That cuts a lot of BS and biased study. There are 15 million plus users daily/weekly. There would be a crisis if those rates were really real. The crisis is often self-built. Make rehab mandatory to get out of dumb DUID rap or bad grow bust.
So, what is it we have to study? What is it we really have to know? Do we really need to study? Do we know what stops us from studying? Who do we think is going to study and what? This Study stuff is BS.

Too many people do not take the time to update themselves. To want the answers and thus get subjected to a bunch of old or biased theocracy or hyperspace hypocrites.

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Posted by Darrell Beitel on 04/15/2016 at 11:00 AM

Re: “The People’s Weed

It does not take a rocket scientist or more than rational person to realize what we have with prop 203 MMJ is dumb and does not work. Neither of these ballot measures is going to do away with the black market. They so not allow with enough supply to deal with existing demand. Period. The market in AZ for Marijuana is between $1 and $2B currently. At a price less than half what the dispensaries charge. That is with less tax than what is in these measures. Just look at CO with over 1000 locations and pricing less than 1/2 AZ. $1B in volume and growing. The demand and use is already there. Making it more legal does not change that.

Politically, if marijuana people argue , the rest of the folks say "if they cannot agree, why should we?". That is just as stupid for progress. No matter how righteous or right. The best plan is to get both on the ballot. Vote yes for both. Deal with the right regulations for concerns.

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Posted by Darrell Beitel on 04/15/2016 at 10:39 AM

Re: “In Defense of Marijuana

I find this amazing but also expected. As an advocate and driver for several years in Colorado, I now am in AZ and becoming up to speed and active here. Many of these things have been fought and resolved in CO with similar issues but different exact laws. The argument in court premise is the same.

I find the law basis here and set up very odd and in need of work. The legalization efforts are good but the medical still needs to get cleaned up as even legal will not fix the need for a good medical system and access need. The entire co-op and group grow thing as well as what CO tries with "Seed to sale" and plant tagging are absurd ways to get what should be "wholesale commercial grows" or "true individual grow needs" of a simple plant.

Some thoughts:
You may also want to consider that this is Medical Marijuana and the folks who were in this grow with you have HIPAA Rights. You could and should have set up and based your files on that. The firearm is an issue if there was ammunition regardless of the safe if the Feds are pressing any charges and they can press that for plea. No one should ever have a loaded firearm anywhere near marijuana as long as the "war on drugs" continues. There are some great resources in CO and WA that you may want to reach out to as AZ legal resources are weak. Rob Corey an attorney there or Michelle Lemay of Cannabis U can be of help with your plight I would bet or refer you to others here they know.

Good luck.

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Posted by Darrell Beitel on 10/15/2015 at 11:17 AM

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