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Re: “Political Roundtable: Immigration Politics, Barber Beats Kelly, Upcoming Congressional Races & More!

It's infuriating that we're wasting our time bickering about how Obama got this through - after all, it's the closest thing we've had to cooperation between the parties (a Republican sponored bill pushed through by a Democrat) and not looking at what's really involved in stopping illegal immigration. And it's sad - because there are a lot of people living basically as slaves, kids even, forced into prosititution, and all sorts of things involved in human smuggling that's going largely ignored because all most folks here care about is the possible jobs they're losing or whether a few kids are covered by the Dream Act. No one really wants to do what is necessary to either win the war on drugs or to fight illegal immigration. And all they have to do is follow the money.

The problem I see with the fight to stop illegal immigration is that we don't seem to be addressing it as anything more than stopping some poor smucks trying to cross the desert. What we're actually dealing with is a well-funded, well-organized, criminal enterprise that is run by some of the most vicious people around - they appear to think murder, kidnapping, & torture are standard business practices - and they are not operating on U.S. soil (so they can't be responded to like, say, the mafia was). They can afford to outspend us and they are also heavily armed. If we don't recognize that we're actually dealing with a well-funded organization, the fight against illegal immigration will go pretty much like our "war on drugs" - it'll become a proxy war that hurts no one except the American people - because it's the same organizations smuggling the people that manufacture & smuggle the drugs. And since they make a whole lot of money from it, they have a whole lot to lose - so they won't stop unless we make them.

The problem is not the border - we used to have a pretty good relationship with Mexico & it was a fun little place to go tourist for the day & I kind of miss that. The problem is the cartels. They've gotten too big, too organized, and too fat - first from their drug manufacturing & smuggling, and now on human smuggling (as well as guns and anything else they can make money from). They aren't just a bunch of different little gangs - they grown and gotten organized. They have about half of the Mexican government in their employ at any given time. But turning American soil into a war zone is not the answer - it's actually not the Mexican people we've a problem with, after all, the law-abiding citizens there aren't even allowed to own guns. Instead of shooting wildly at everyone south of the border, we need to focus our sights on the cartels and our efforts against them. And we need to stop bickering amongst ourselves.

The cartels (who control the majority of the smuggling, both human and otherwise, into the United States) are who we are really fighting here, and their estimated annual income was $13.8 billion in 2008 - I don't think it's gone down since, especially since that doesn't include what they made smuggling anything except drugs. They make a lot of money through human smuggling - "Smuggling in illegal aliens is frequently tied to sex trafficking and forced labor, the ICE official said.

“We initially targeted human smuggling as this is often a precursor crime that can lead to other illegal activities, including human trafficking. People may have illegally entered the United States only to find themselves in exploitative circumstances and vulnerable to being used by force, fraud, or coercion for the purposes of commercial sex or forced labor,” he added.

Allen noted that “transnational gangs” have their hands in smuggling humans into the U.S.

“Transnational gangs often conspire with other dangerous criminal organizations, which allow them to mature from small autonomous criminal groups into larger, international criminal enterprises engaged in human smuggling and trafficking, narcotics smuggling and distribution, money laundering, weapons smuggling and arms trafficking, kidnapping, extortion, and export violations,” stated Allen in his written testimony." (​article/…) The numbers for income generated only from Mexico to the United States from human trafficking is more difficult, but according to a 2009 report from the Council of Hemispheric Affairs, "Human trafficking is the fastest growing illegal industry in the world and, by 2010, it is predicted to surpass the illicit drug trade, which will make it the world’s largest criminal activity. The United Nations defines human trafficking as “the recruitment, transportation, transfer, harbouring or receipt of persons, by means of the threat or use of force or other forms of coercion, of abduction, of fraud, of deception, […] for the purpose of exploitation.” A common misconception is that an individual must cross international borders to be considered a victim of human trafficking; however, as evidenced by the United Nations’s definition, this is not always the case.

According to the United Nations, human trafficking generates an estimated $32 billion in revenue each year. According to a State Department estimate, between 600,000 and 800,000 individuals are trafficked annually, with women and children especially being targeted. The State Department estimates that 70 percent of trafficking victims are female and that nearly 50 percent of the victims are younger than 18. Moreover, according to the International Labor Organization (ILO), of the 12.3 million people who are currently subjected to forced labor, bonded labor, or the commercial sex industry, 2.4 million have been trafficked. Of these, 80 percent are used for sexual exploitation while the remaining victims are forced to labor on farms or in factories." (​modern-day-slav…)

And instead of concentrating our efforts on the criminal enterprise, we're focusing on the kids who did well in school? Instead of utilizing our technologies and focusing our sights on the organizations profiting, we're making the same mistakes already that we made with the war on drugs? All those policies did was lead us to lock up about a quarter of our population while the cartels just reeled in the profits. Shall we make them richer while we throw more money down the drain repeating those mistakes? Or shall we just admit that Obama, strategically and tactically, made the right decision here and start focusing on how to deal with this criminal enterprise and fight the real bad guys?

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Posted by cmp1966 on 06/18/2012 at 7:10 AM

Re: “Danehy

The carpetbaggers have overtaken our state government.

Posted by cmp1966 on 08/29/2009 at 10:37 PM

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