David Safier 
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Re: “Is the Strong Start Tucson Initiative a Good Idea?

John, I'm surprised you can't find a 4 year old email. I've got relevant emails going back a decade or more, and they're easily searchable by subject line, name of sender and content. Clearly, your remarks on the study are based on your memory of what it said 4 years ago, and memory tends to be selective. So even if the study is as good as you say, your analysis of the study is only as good as your memory and your ability to view the study objectively. And as I've said before, a study of kindergarten effects has little bearing on the effects of adding quality preschool for 3 and 4 year olds.

As for my citation, a good, nuanced study of studies and various types of preschools is Impacts of
Early Childhood Programs from the Brookings Institute. https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploa…

If you want to cherry-pick it, you can find quotes to make it sound like the effects of preschool are minimal. If you read the whole thing, you'll find that the research is mainly positive. Because the author is careful, she acknowledges the gaps in and problems with the research. She would rather draw cautious conclusions than overstate what the research indicates. I've looked at countless pieces of educational research, and the honest authors tend to state their conclusions without a high degree of certainty. That's the nature of research into education. Conclusions are never conclusive.

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Posted by David Safier on 08/10/2017 at 11:33 AM

Re: “Is the Strong Start Tucson Initiative a Good Idea?

John, I'm going to stop this back-and-forth with this comment. I just want to say that you continue to cite a study without linking to the source on the web, or even a web page citing the study. You say you have it in an email, yet you haven't forwarded the email or quoted from it. Repeating what you said over and over doesn't make your argument stronger. It leaves the impression with me that you have nothing.

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Posted by David Safier on 08/09/2017 at 7:41 AM

Re: “Is the Strong Start Tucson Initiative a Good Idea?

John, I still don't understand how you can use a study of full day vs. half day K as a proxy for an additional two years of education starting when the children are 3, but I'll set that aside.

I still haven't seen the study you're referring to. You say it's the "Hubbell telescope of education studies," but all I know about it is what I've heard from the Falcon 9 of commenters.

Here's an idea. Forward that IES email to me at tucsonweekly@tucsonlocalmedia.com, and it will be forwarded to me. I'll take a look at it. Maybe it's a terrific study, I don't know, but whenever someone says "Trust me," I'm hesitant to take them at their word without some confirmation.

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Posted by David Safier on 08/08/2017 at 11:53 AM

Re: “Is the Strong Start Tucson Initiative a Good Idea?

John, you gave me a Rand study about full day and half day K that goes through the fifth grade, not the eighth grade. And you know about the 8th grade results through an email which doesn't include a link to the actual research. You'll have to pardon me if I don't take that as a reasonable comment on my post about preschool's effects on people's lives beginning with high school graduation and going into early adulthood.

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Posted by David Safier on 08/07/2017 at 4:24 PM

Re: “Is the Strong Start Tucson Initiative a Good Idea?

Link please, John, for your kindergarten study, and if possible point to the conclusions section? And a link and quote verifying that $140 million was spent collecting data for the Early Childhood Longitudinal Study? If you want me to trust, or even understand what you're talking about, you need to verify.

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Posted by David Safier on 08/07/2017 at 7:21 AM

Re: “Is the Strong Start Tucson Initiative a Good Idea?

John, I usually don't bother responding to you, but my God, what are you talking about? Your data, if it means anything, goes through 8th grade. I wrote about research on high school graduation, earning power, family stability and lack of negative confrontations with the law. It followed people years beyond high school graduation. And I wrote about two years of preschool for 3 and 4 year olds, not the difference between half day and all day K's effects on academic achievement. (Some studies on the effects of preschool say the reading and math gains level out by the 4th grade, but they see lifelong benefits which go beyond test scores).

If you wish, I'd love for you to link to the study or studies you're referring to. Please point to where it says $140 million was spent collecting the data.

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Posted by David Safier on 08/05/2017 at 12:27 PM

Re: “Is the Strong Start Tucson Initiative a Good Idea?

Katie, in the interest of presenting both sides of the argument accurately, I stated the anti-Strong Start concerns in a paragraph which said clearly that it was their argument, not mine. I don't think summarizing their views is putting out "misinformation." I did say, "Their concerns are genuine," because I believe they are, though, as I go on to say, they are minor compared to the value of the program. I then went on to address their concerns one by one. I also say in the introductory paragraphs and at the end that I am a supporter of Strong Start.

As we get closer to the election, both sides will likely become more visible and vocal. I think it's valuable to put both arguments side by side and see how they line up next to one another.

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Posted by David Safier on 08/05/2017 at 8:34 AM

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