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Re: “Agony on the Border

Ronko, I find your virtue signaling tiresome. You oppose immigration controls because you think it makes you a good person, morally better than those nasty Trumpian xenophobes. Let me ask you a question: where does it stop? There are about a billion humans on this planet who would come to this country if they could. Do we let them all in? You would overload the lifeboat just so you could be smugly satisfied in your own righteousness as everyone, including you, goes to the bottom and drowns.

I have a different conception of my moral duty. I believe that the founders of my country established it to secure the blessings of liberty to themselves and their posterity. I believe that hundreds of thousands of my forebearers died to conquer and secure this land so that it could be passed on to their descendants. I believe that I hold this country in trust for my children, and my as yet unborn grandchildren, and then I am morally obligated to pass this nation on to them at least as good as I found it. That means it is immoral for me to give it away to anyone who can walk here.

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Posted by NarcoleptcSaxon on 03/08/2018 at 1:56 PM

Re: “Agony on the Border

Thanks to ronko for serving up the standard collection of open borders bromides:

- "Americans dump trash in the desert too." That's right. They shouldn't do that. We also shouldn't add to the problem by permitting hundreds of tons of trash and human waste to be dumped in, and hundreds of miles of wildcat trails to be cut in, our public lands.

- "People have always moved." Immigration is not an inevitable law of nature, like winter or the tides. It is the result of a policy choice. We could end illegal immigration tomorrow with border security, internal enforcement, and mandatory e-verify. Illegal immigration occurs because we choose to permit it. We can make different choices.

- "Illegal immigrants come to live free and escape oppression". Is Mexico substantially un-free or oppressive? Studies on this topic indicate that illegal immigrants come to the United States for better paying jobs, not because they are suffering human rights violations.

- "This land was once Mexico!" This land was Mexico from 1821 to 1853 - 32 years. For perspective, Russia claimed California and the Pacific Northwest for about the same amount of time. But we wouldn't permit boatloads of Russians to land on California's shores. This land has been part of the United States for 165 years. THIS land, i.e., the land of the Gadsden Purchase, was freely sold by Mexico, at above market prices, because Mexico was having trouble pacifying the apaches, and it couldn't settle it. At some point, it's ours, and we have the same right over it that any other nation state has over its sovereign territory - the right to decide who we invite to join our national community. That's our right. We get to decide. Not them.

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Posted by NarcoleptcSaxon on 03/08/2018 at 10:25 AM

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