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Re: “Fate of the Bung Hole

uh..this is the food column. Not the movie column

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Posted by food not movie on 04/25/2017 at 10:25 PM

Re: “Editor’s Note

Thanks for encouraging us to talk to our kids' teachers, Ms. Herrerras. My kid's teachers teach in a Catholic school, so I'll be able to tell them the budget cuts and frozen salaries and worries about losing enrollment to charters they've experienced during the last several years may be over, now that the state has further scaled back its economic discrimination against schools affiliated with one of the religions this country's Constitution guarantees its citizens the right to exercise. Hallelujah.

(The Catholic school teachers I know make less than public school teachers, even in Arizona, where public school teacher salaries are shockingly low. They have been willing to make an economic sacrifice to teach in an environment where the community is focused on values they believe in. They know that their sacrifice helps the schools keep tuition affordable for families, and they care about the wellbeing of the community as a whole and the families of their students, many of whom are living on very tight budgets. The students graduating from the Catholic schools I know are better prepared academically and in terms of civic values / volunteerism than the kids graduating from the public schools with which I have direct experience. I am able to make a direct, 1:1 comparison, having taught in Arizona public schools and in Arizona Catholic schools and having been a parent in both systems as well.)

Why shouldn't the state pony up and support the hard work of teachers in Catholic schools, who prepare students well for lives of service in the professions and in the broader community? Without vouchers, the state saves over $5K per year for every student enrolled in a Catholic school. That money belongs in the pockets of the parents paying tuition and the teachers working sacrificially at unacceptably low salaries. Not in the pockets of corporations which receive tax breaks as the real cost of educating the next generation is falsely suppressed when the government refuses to pay for education taking place in certain contexts.

We hear a lot about "discrimination" in the U.S. Strange that some of us still can't recognize a genuine case of it when we see it.

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Posted by Unfair discrimination should end now. on 04/25/2017 at 8:28 PM

Re: “Money and Challengers, Oh My

Don't think McSally is much of a lay....
(your subhed...)

Posted by SonoranWinds on 04/25/2017 at 8:09 PM

Re: “Once Again, It's Time to Deconstruct the U.S. News "Best High Schools" Rankings

Ducey is cumming all over himself ....

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Posted by SonoranWinds on 04/25/2017 at 8:07 PM

Re: “Buzz About Town

Noel is a prima donna. He's not part of the bee community here. All about him.

Posted by SonoranWinds on 04/25/2017 at 8:03 PM

Re: “Booze Now, Food Later

Scott Stiteler ... Say. No More.

Posted by SonoranWinds on 04/25/2017 at 7:58 PM

Re: “BASIS Charter School News From Phoenix

I agree with much of what was posted by "Fraser." I probably have a fair idea of what makes a school work for different students. I taught in a variety of public and private, as well as Australian schools, in my 37 years in the classroom. As was pointed out by "Fraser," her daughter got a good education from a BASIS middle school. Not so much her other children. The daughter "packed the gear," as I heard Marine Drill Instructors say when I went through OCS at Quantico, Virgnia, about 60 years ago. The daughter had the intelligence and the motivation to do the advanced work required at the BASIS school. Apparently, he other children did not. Which brings me to another point: in the early 1960s when I got out of the Marine Corps, I was fortunate enough to find a job teaching high school English at the Shoreline School District, north of Seattle. The administrators at Shoreline at that time "tracked" kids, mostly depending upon their test scores and grades, but also on written assessments by their former teachers. Kids who scored high on standardized tests, had good grades previously, and received favorable assessments from former teachers were placed in either the "Intensive" or the "Honors" classes. For both these classifications, it was possible for teachers to assign more complex and difficult reading material, especially for the so-called "Honors" students who made up less then 5% of the school population. They "packed the gear." Later I taught in schools where students were not segregated according to their test scores, etc. I found it was next to impossible to challenge the brightest while providing assistance to those who found any kind of abstruse learning material impossible to master. While teaching in Australia, I saw what happens when schools "weed-out" students in the first few years of high school so that in grade 12 a teacher would have a class of no more then a half a dozen students. Finally, as "Fraser" pointed out, a BASIS school may be a perfect fit for one child and not so much for another. The question seems to be: what is the cost, both financially and sociologically, for Charter Schools to drain off public funds for a small minority of students who "pack the gear." One might ask, Wouldn't that student who "packs the gear" prosper just as well in a public school when the school offered the kind of "tracking" I mentioned earlier?

Posted by Morrie Schneider on 04/25/2017 at 4:07 PM

Re: “Good, Available Child Care Benefits Society

This is where our education money went. Given choices politicians lose sight of any priorities, so everything becomes their priority. Take away the funds, leave them the purse.

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Posted by Debbie Sue on 04/25/2017 at 3:56 PM

Re: “Good, Available Child Care Benefits Society

In the 60s we had no child care and the children were more productive and Intelligent and did not require police in the schools. Less of this:
Several hospitals, including ones in Stockton (40% Hispanic & Bankrupt), CA and Dallas, TX, report as many as 70% of their deliveries are to nonUS-residents. Similarly, the parents of infant citizens still qualify for welfare in order to protect the child.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michealene-cristini-risley/the-14th_b_1343158.html

What other things do these parents have to do since they have kids every 2 years to maintain Welfare Services. The majority don't need daycare because they don't work and don't plan to work!

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Posted by Postimpressionist on 04/25/2017 at 2:11 PM

Re: “Good, Available Child Care Benefits Society

Repeal Birthright Citizenship:
WIC, ($7,000,000,000) SNAP ($80,000,000,000 a year), TANF ($31,000,000,000), Supplemental housing ($24,000,000,000) and MEDICAID ($265,000,000,000), CHIP ($9,000,000,000) School Lunch Program ($11,600,000,000) total $795 BILLION A YEAR this doesn't count 8 Cash Assistance programs 8 vocational training programs 3 utility assistance programs total 2 child care and development programs. ALL together are tax payer burdens.

That would save the US TRILLIONS!
In 2010 there were 6,000,000 kids of illegals in the us. 1 year of education = $12,600 (2010) KP-12 = $163,800 X 6,000,000 = $982,800,000,000.

Mexican Anchor Kids come over the Mexico/US border in Juarez to attend school and burden the people of those counties. Pregnant women sneak over the border to DROP human flesh on US soil leaving US with the Hospital bill and the Educational Bill the Medical bill and any other kind of bill they can suck out of US! The Banditos! Stop Bandito Births!

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Posted by Postimpressionist on 04/25/2017 at 2:03 PM

Re: “Good, Available Child Care Benefits Society

A recent study out of the University of Chicago....just think of the irony that U of C could not look at results in Chicago, so they went outside their own state.

Ummm ummmm ummm Obama. Chicago bleeds for you.

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Posted by Once Great American City on 04/25/2017 at 12:02 PM

Re: “Media Watch

April 2017: I see the other posts are from a now 3-year old, different programming model. Well, I really appreciate the current one! KEVT is now on the air with progressive talk ~ YAY! Love Thom Hartmann & Stephanie Miller ~ it's been way too long. And John C. Scott & Steve Leal are usually on-target on big local & state issues. But...contact a call-in
show? Or the station admin??? Fuggedaboudit. What is the problem? Thank you.
jtsmithh@AOL.com

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Posted by jtsmithh on 04/25/2017 at 11:12 AM

Re: “The Skinny

See what I mean? That made sense.

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Posted by CW13 on 04/25/2017 at 11:06 AM

Re: “Good, Available Child Care Benefits Society

Could you make an argument with some actual thought content to it in support of a different point of view?

Compensation and credentialing standards in the child care "industry" are an acknowledged problem among educators. It's people who mindlessly promote expansion of the sector without acknowledging that wage and quality of care issues need to be addressed who are promoting shoddy public policy, a la TUSD's "early childhood education" centers. Talk to an expert in early childhood education some time about whether the execution of that particular local expansion of child care "opportunities" deserved praise or blame.

But asking questions that would help the public understand whether the public policy initiatives party operatives like Safier pitch actually benefit the constituents they are supposed to benefit -- or someone or something else -- is not something you'd be inclined to do. I wonder why not.

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Posted by Try adding some thought content. on 04/25/2017 at 9:39 AM

Re: “The Skinny

Beard Buddies rejoice!

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Posted by CWazbeard13paulbuddiesBF&LF on 04/25/2017 at 9:26 AM

Re: “Statewide Voucher Initiatives Has Been Voted Down Everywhere, Every Time

Should all children receive an equal amount of tax funded support for their educations, or should some receive tens of thousands of dollars of support while others receive none?

When a private institution relieves the state of the burden of educating a child at the state's expense, should the state pay for the provision of those services? When private entities provide citizens other services the state usually provides, they are paid to do so.

Why would a tax increase be needed, Frances? You apply your per pupil funding in one institution or another. It's a zero sum game.

The fact is that without vouchers equalizing the per-pupil funding and remedying a situation in which there has been unfair economic discrimination against educational institutions providing excellent services to constituents and thereby contributing more to the common good than many public educational institutions do, what we have going on is the state creating an economic incentive for parents to enroll their children in schools that produce a less educated citizenry. If the government creates incentives, it should be incentivizing behaviors that produce better outcomes, not worse ones, cf. Cass Sunstein on policy "nudges."

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Posted by Ask more honest questions & provide better answers. on 04/25/2017 at 6:20 AM

Re: “Statewide Voucher Initiatives Has Been Voted Down Everywhere, Every Time

There should be two simple questions. The Republican majority is always adding more and more "transparency" requirements to school district bond and override elections. The voters should have a chance at a transparent question, without money laundering "empowering" wording nonsense. "Should the State of Arizona provide taxpayer money to subsidize private religious schools?" Period. The next question should be,"Do you support a dedicated tax increase to pay for these subsidies?" Yes or No. Of course they do not have the courage nor their corporate backers the confidence this would ever pass, thus a bamboozled Supreme Court bought the money laundering nonsense. The writer could add Michigan to the list, as the DeVos bunch put a constitutional amendment on the ballot to repeal the prohibition on public money for religious schools. It also lost bigly.

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Posted by Frances Perkins on 04/24/2017 at 11:06 PM

Re: “Good, Available Child Care Benefits Society

Did the mothers in the study want to turn their children over to daycare 40 or more hours a week, or would they have preferred to have a family income sufficient to enable one parent to provide pre-school and after-school care while the other parent worked full time? Why doesn't the political party that is supposed to defend the interests of working families defend the right to wages for full time work that can actually support a family properly?

Did the typically insufficiently educated and underpaid child care workers want to work for low wages taking care of other women's children in a group setting, or would they, if they had had the opportunity, have preferred a different way of life -- either a better paying job with better working conditions and benefits or the opportunity to take care of their own children, not someone else's? You forgot to mention what an economic ghetto paid child care workers live in. Try making it a genuine profession and then come talk to us about how much it will benefit society for us to (under)pay an (under)educated child care work force to raise the next generation of children.

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Posted by Come talk to us when "day care" is no longer a ghetto. on 04/24/2017 at 8:08 PM

Re: “Trouble in Republican City Over Voucher Expansion?

Yes, "Republicans Killed the American Dream," that's the party line, a.k.a. the fairy tale the Democratic Party likes to tell over and over and over again to people gullible enough to believe it. It bears about as much resemblance to reality as the party line / bedtime story told on the other side of the political divide, that the free market and its deus ex machina Invisible Hand will magically produce an education system that meets the needs of everyone if we just make sure to destroy all regulatory oversight.

You can see what kind of monsters fantasy-loving constituents on both sides of the political divide are capable of producing: in some circumstances following the Democratic Party line will produce TUSD, a bloated, deeply dysfunctional, inequitable disaster of a public school district, and in a different set of circumstances following the Republican Party line will produce Basis, a Hunger Games-style survival-of-the-fittest public charter chain that runs a program of mindless cramming for machine graded, corporate produced AP exams. Both have massive attrition rates, but for different reasons and through different means.

At the same time, excellent private schools with decades-long distinguished traditions of sound and humane education teeter in the brink of bankruptcy because of the damage the recession and the ever-escalating costs of higher ed have done to Southern Arizona's residents' ability to afford the luxury of a good K-12 education for their kids. And the uproar from the Democrats whose networks feed on public districts and the Republicans whose networks feed on public charters is defeaning. They can't agree on anything else, but they can certainly agree that allowing citizens to apply the tax dollars the state has available to educate their children in an institution that actually does EDUCATE them, rather than abusing them or wasting their time, is the most horrific thing that could ever happen in this nation.

That, unfortunately, is where our local public discourse on "education" seems to be. What further evidence do we need that the project of producing an educated citizenry through public institutions has failed?

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Posted by Perhaps public funds should be used to EDUCATE students? on 04/24/2017 at 7:35 PM

Re: “The Skinny

Republicans always trash big government when the Democrats are in power. But wait. the government is the largest under the Republicans, larger debt too. Republicans are great at switching blame to anyone others then themselves. It like Trump blaming Obama for everything when he is President and has the power. But I understand him, being mentally ill as experts are now saying outloud.

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Posted by preveoff on 04/24/2017 at 4:49 PM

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