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Re: “Town and County Officials Say Supervisor Miller is Misleading the Public on Bond Issue

Well, its politics and screwing Citizens over again and again... Rhey nicke and dme us to death, and nothing really gets done.

5 likes, 8 dislikes
Posted by MsAzSunshine on 10/16/2017 at 8:22 AM

Re: “Koch Brothers Infiltrate Pima County Schools With a High School Econ Course

Just like Hitler and his henchmen you have to get the impressionable minds before they have been influenced by liberty, equality, and fraternity , to replace them with regimented control, white superiority, and narcissistic behavior. The one thing that you have to always remember is that, "if a Republican ever does anything for you that seems generous and reasonable , you can bet your last dollar that they have set an inescapable trap inside a well concocted enticement that will make it seems as if you have destroyed yourself instead of them doing it to you. Somewhat like the "SAW" movie. Never ever under any circumstance trust a Republican!

14 likes, 17 dislikes
Posted by Beneal Good on 10/16/2017 at 7:49 AM

Re: “Guest Opinion

and dont forget Sean Noble Koch brothers , intro man, who is MORMON, this is what is behing all this, MORMONS taking over government !!! When are people going to wake up in AZ . Do not vote for Ducey he is their puppet .

1 like, 5 dislikes
Posted by jill schafer on 10/16/2017 at 7:09 AM

Re: “Koch Brothers Infiltrate Pima County Schools With a High School Econ Course

The difference between the MAS program and the Koch program is that one indicates that it is teaching a particular lens on history, and does not pretend to teach all history. The other, however, DOES totalize itself--that is, it purports to teach Ethics, Economy and Entrepreneurship without at all indicating that it is teaching a LIBERTARIAN ethics (?!) including a very one sided Economy and Entrepreneurship. Other than that, though, the writer is correct above--the course was "approved" on a day that there was no Board meeting (as confirmed by Mary Alice Wallace who knows the schedules and the archives) and the textbook appears to have only been confirmed by being bought and paid for (according to FOIA information). According to publisher and Freedom Center information, the course can only be offered in high schools where the administration has committed, prior to its teachers taking the summer 2015 workshop, to hold the course--so one wonders who, during the Sanchez administration, offered so many assurances that the class would be held. Of course given the revolving door of friends from Texas and local administrators, many with very questionable qualifications for those jobs, there is no one from that era left at 1010 in those positions who can answer for how the course ever got authorized to begin with. But Board authorization, unless gathered in famous Board one on one's, never took place.

15 likes, 12 dislikes
Posted by Betts Putnam-Hidalgo on 10/16/2017 at 5:51 AM

Re: “Koch Brothers Infiltrate Pima County Schools With a High School Econ Course

Why did the Koch family become involved in politics? Fred Koch, the father of the infamous Koch brothers, went to Russia in the 1930s to sell them oil refinery technology and befriended many communists. He was there when the purges began and personally witnessed his friends first purged from the communist party and then shot dead in the middle of the night.

The Russian archives now show the plans to murder tens of thousands of Russians. In the margins are Stalin's notes "not enough."

The fathers, mothers, and grandparents of the UofA professors protesting the Koch brother centers thought it was cute and chic to be "fellow travelers" of Stalin in his mission to spread communism to the United States.

Paradoxically, the Koch brothers have created a true communist heaven in the Koch industries, not the evil conception of Karl Marx. In Koch industries, bosses don't reign supreme, they are held accountable to their subordinates and evaluated by them.

As a result, they have proven that "right creates might." People like working for them so much that over 100,000 have chosen to do so. In a country with over a million companies, they are one of the 100 largest.

Our intellectually corrupt universities would never tolerate such creative thought. Have the professors evaluate the Deans? Ha! Not in this lifetime.

15 likes, 17 dislikes
Posted by jhuppent@hotmail.com on 10/15/2017 at 3:19 PM

Re: “Guest Opinion

God bless the Koch Brothers as a counter to the authors socialist meddling in schools and universities since 1917!

3 likes, 10 dislikes
Posted by Steam-Maker on 10/15/2017 at 1:21 PM

Re: “Danehy

See what I mean? They make our points for us.

1 like, 10 dislikes
Posted by CW13 on 10/15/2017 at 7:45 AM

Re: “Koch Brothers Infiltrate Pima County Schools With a High School Econ Course

They are promoting right thinking about the economy.

11 likes, 24 dislikes
Posted by David Bergeron on 10/15/2017 at 12:31 AM

Re: “Koch Brothers Infiltrate Pima County Schools With a High School Econ Course

Why not just stick with Obamaeconomics? Eight years no results.

11 likes, 35 dislikes
Posted by Jonathon K on 10/14/2017 at 7:46 PM

Re: “Rugrat Referendum

Edit:
I meant to say, 'I don't notice hell getting any cooler."

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Posted by A. M. Kennedy on 10/14/2017 at 4:29 PM

Re: “Rugrat Referendum

I decided to vote yes on 204 because I trust that the people involved will behave with integrity and care. I too would have liked the text to be more rigorous, but ultimately decided that I've no reason to believe that anyone involved is trying to deceive me. I believe this because many of the volunteers I work with are teachers or retired teachers who place the highest importance on education, on the welfare of their pupils. A desire to see something succeed does not always bring on unwise spending.
And based on my observation of other commissions, I trust that mayor and council will make careful choices in their appointments.
Steve K. is right-we should work on the legislature-and we are-but I don't notice hell getting any warmer. I certainly can't skate on it yet. In the meantime, this money could produce a group of kids who come to Kindergarden eager to continue learning.
A. M. Kennedy

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Posted by A. M. Kennedy on 10/14/2017 at 3:56 PM

Re: “Danehy

tctw. Great points, but like I said they fall on deaf ears. You think Tommy will look into what you said and admit he's wrong? It might snow in July, too. These fools can't argue with you. They just hit dislike and hide behind Mommy's skirt, hoping the bad men with guns will go away.

1 like, 13 dislikes
Posted by CW13 on 10/14/2017 at 3:30 PM

Re: “The Fix Is In: Free Spay and Neuter Event Hits Town This Weekend

Would it be wonderful if Trump minions and Trump himself could be Politically Spayed or Neutered so as to prevent them from Transmitting their Political Poison that is Destroying the the very fabric of our Democracy and Leading this Country into World War Three.?

3 likes, 1 dislike
Posted by Francis Saitta on 10/14/2017 at 12:09 PM

Re: “Koch Brothers Infiltrate Pima County Schools With a High School Econ Course

Dearest Commenters, one word: homeschooling.

11 likes, 20 dislikes
Posted by christopher.francis.az on 10/14/2017 at 11:34 AM

Re: “Town and County Officials Say Supervisor Miller is Misleading the Public on Bond Issue

Well the County Administrator never met a tax he didn't like and Supervisor Miller never met a tax she did like, so I doubt we will get much rational discussion from either of them.
Sadly, Oro Valley has a poor record when it comes to spending tax dollars. Rather than spend money to improve sports facilities for families and children, the town government has wasted millions of dollars and imposed a sales tax to purchase and maintain a failing golf course and a run down community center building.

Now the town, with the support of big money developers, is attempting to pass a bond (prop 454) which will be paid for by a town property tax. The Naranja Park improvement plan includes infrastructure improvements which go far beyond a few sports fields. The true purpose of the improvements is not to help children but to develop a "sports tourism" complex. The ethics of using children and youth sports to mask the town government's agenda of building a gold plated sports center is stunning.

If you live in Oro Valley do not vote for Prop 454. We can continue to improve Naranja Park on a pay as you go basis, without a property tax.

10 likes, 14 dislikes
Posted by Gandalf on 10/14/2017 at 8:39 AM

Re: “Danehy

As per Wayne Olsons post on knives:

Here is the direct link to the FBIs Uniform Crime Report on homicides in the U.S..

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/…

Murders by rifles and shotguns 521
Murders by knives or cutting instruments 1,544
Murders by clubs and hammers 421
Murders by hands, fists, feet 624
Average annual deaths by drowning in a swimming pool - 677 (Children under the age of 15 account for 335)

Total Murders by firearms 9,616
Deaths caused by Drunk Drivers 10,265

These statistics beg the question of why aren't those people, who are all wee-weed up about the Las Vegas shooter, trying to get knives, hammers and clubs, swimming pools, and alcohol banned?

3 likes, 13 dislikes
Posted by tctw on 10/14/2017 at 12:57 AM

Re: “Danehy

Just more uniformed anti-gun zealotry along the lines of Hillary Clintons statements about the mythical silencer.

They're not good for hunting. Patently false. Semi-automatic weapons can and do make great hunting rifles unless you would like to explain why they dont.

And, when using military-grade ammo, able to shoot the limbs off a fleeing concertgoer. That is about as ignorant a statement as you can get. Military ammunition is designed to cause the least amount of damage to a body as possible. The Hague Convention of 1899 prohibits the use of projectiles that will increase injuries and suffering of combatants. As a result, military projectiles have full metal jackets. They resist fragmentation/deformation, do not transfer all of the energy from the projectile to the target, and often pass completely though a body only leaving a wound channel. They do not blow arms and legs off of bodies. It does the serve the purpose of misinforming people and scaring them about firearms.

3 likes, 13 dislikes
Posted by tctw on 10/13/2017 at 11:15 PM

Re: “Guest Opinion

From Koch Brothers economics book, Make money the old fashioned way, inherit it, steal it, or make it by dumping you waste coal piles anywhere there are no regulations. Business ethics 101 according to the Koch Brothers, get everything you can get away with. Ethics, societal good, is for suckers. By all means never make a quality product, consumers want, at a fair price with a fair profit. Page one of the Koch Economics book, "Greed is good."

15 likes, 8 dislikes
Posted by Frances Perkins on 10/13/2017 at 8:45 PM

Re: “Koch Brothers Infiltrate Pima County Schools With a High School Econ Course

Yup, in the case of MAS apparently its fine to teach high schoolers that Republicans hate Latinos and fine to fail to pony up the details of exactly what curricular materials were included in a curriculum taught in a publicly funded school, but God forbid people on the other side of the political spectrum should try to slip their politically skewed, tendentious ideas into the high school curriculum.

This Freedom Institute program is exactly the kind of right-wing counter that will be summoned as a response to instances of left-wing curricular bias. And the argument will be you promoted your views in that curriculum, were promoting ours in this one; its a free country, the contest is on: let the best man (or the best funded man?) win.

(In the non-stop partisan ideological warfare this country is engaged in, we seem to have lost track of the idea that the entire spectrum of ideas should be taught responsibly and dispassionately in high school social science courses that present them all and allow students to weigh the pros and cons and think for themselves. And to ensure that this is whats happening not partisan indoctrination of either the left or right variety what the content of the course is and where it is being taught and whose funding supported the development of the curriculum should be 100% transparent to anyone who cares to inquire.)

25 likes, 25 dislikes
Posted by Lacking consistency, as usual. on 10/13/2017 at 4:58 PM

Re: “Guest Opinion

Bingo! We've got a winner here.

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Posted by Wayne Olson on 10/13/2017 at 4:56 PM

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