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Re: “Political Punch

I am far from being anything close to be called or labeled as a Trump fan or supporter.
But, The irrefutable Facts are that protected Free speech has been hindered by threats, physical violence, property damage and outbursts of the far left far more than this isolated Sanders incident where he was shouting and trying to stop Trump from speaking. Bottom line, Sanders's comments are not worth the cost of the ink required to print them, let alone being given the dignity as a lead story in this or any other publication!!

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Posted by David Morthland on 07/13/2017 at 7:31 PM

Re: “Political Punch


In all seriousness, name one thing Trump is doing to benefit Tucson?

He doesn't really seem to be able to do anything, and there are so many things that need to be done.


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Posted by JustMinn on 07/13/2017 at 6:51 PM

Re: “Political Punch

This guy Sanders must be as mentally challenged as he is biased against Trump. What kind of an idiot would go to any event to disrupt the proceedings and oppose the main purpose. I trust the Weekly will give equal time to recognize everything Trump is doing to the benefit of Tucson, Arizona, the U.S. and the world.

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Posted by bilohak on 07/13/2017 at 6:03 PM

Re: “There's Election Integrity, and Then There's Election Integrity

I'm an independent, non-aligned voter veering between progressive and libertarian. In the past election, I was chastised for refusing to vote for Clinton (or for that matter, Trump).

Here's my beef with the Democrats (I have seen the enemy and they are Republicans): decide if you (Dems) want an open party or a members-only club. Open parties hold open primaries - everyone is invited, let's boogie!. Members-only clubs want to see your ID or inked wrist before admitting you to the dance.

Eliminate and disavow Superdelegates. This will gain points from folks who believe in one person, one vote - a quaint notion. While eliminating the obvious references to Orwell's "some animals (the pigs) are more equal than other animals."

Stop taking truckloads of donations from the folks you promise to rein in and impose new regulations on. It makes you look stupid or deceitful (pick your poison). And for goodness sake, don't take millions in speaker's fees from the same folks because "that is what they offered."

The Dems screwed the pooch bigtime, they nominated (with an assist from the DNC) the only candidate on the planet capable of losing an election for POTUS to the biggest and worst joke to ever run for the office in our history.


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Posted by Rick Spanier on 07/13/2017 at 5:14 PM

Re: “There's Election Integrity, and Then There's Election Integrity

Proof positive that there is no election integrity.

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Posted by Norm T on 07/13/2017 at 4:27 PM

Re: “Political Punch

And who are they?

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Posted by Save The People on 07/13/2017 at 3:59 PM

Re: “There's Election Integrity, and Then There's Election Integrity

Then what did you call the election of Barack Obama, who by all accounts had missed the majority of votes, never run a business, or proposed a piece of legislation, opposed same sex marriage, and touted Christianity as "his" faith?

The Democratic Party dumped Hillary to present us a candidate who was not exactly as he said. Yet voters fell for the hope and change schtick. You were not bothered. Trump comes along and tells us exactly who he is. Enough Americans can look past his flaws and give him an electoral college win. Even in the face of major corporations, the mainstream media, most American colleges and even the Republican party.

I would say you are unable to give voters the credit that they deserve. The nation will survive and possibly thrive the next eight years.

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Posted by Betsy Ross on 07/13/2017 at 3:56 PM

Re: “Political Punch

CW13 So, hate crimes have dropped to about 500 in 2017, and Trump hate crimes make up about half the sample? Naw. They're a drop in the overall bucket that only increased since the Trump election, and you can consult the Southern Poverty Law Center for additional general facts about hate crime.

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Posted by MB on 07/13/2017 at 3:55 PM

Re: “There's Election Integrity, and Then There's Election Integrity

To what extent will a substantially inequitable economic base always subvert a theoretically equitable political / electoral superstructure built on it?

"The market measures influence in dollars, while a democracy, in principle, measure votes. In practice, at some level of inequality, the dollars infect and overwhelm the votes. Reasonable people can disagree about the levels of inequality that a democracy can tolerate without becoming an utter charade. My judgment is that we have been in the 'charade zone' for quite some time."

James C. Scott, Sterling Professor of Political Science at Yale

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Posted by Electoral integrity? Electoral politics measures $s, not votes. on 07/13/2017 at 3:48 PM

Re: “There's Election Integrity, and Then There's Election Integrity

Our Democracy, as any Democracy, is inherently contentious in the competition of Political Ideologies; initially with the Federalists vs. Anti-Federalists; now with, in the main, Democrats vs. Republicans. We have developed, sadly and dangerously, into a "Democracy" that is controlled by powerful Financial Interests Groups that are using their money to "buy" "Politicians" and, as a result, control the electoral process.

The American Voter needs to wake up and participate in the electoral process at all levels of Government; critically evaluate each Candidate, using their notion of what is in the best interests of all US Citizens and their Understanding of our Constitutionally Protected Liberties. We will lose the latter if we do not.

The question is: as a car driving toward a precipice; are we at the fulcrum or have we moved beyond? The Election of Donald Trump is NOT Hopeful and dangerously symptomatic.

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Posted by Francis Saitta on 07/13/2017 at 3:22 PM

Re: “Political Punch

That is exactly why he says we need to build the wall. To keep illegals out. What law did his grandfather break? If you have difficulty feeling normal around family and friends, it may be you.

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Posted by Greg E Peen on 07/13/2017 at 3:01 PM

Re: “Political Punch

I did wonder what really happened. The morning after election night was the first time in my life that I woke up with an anxiety attack at 3:30am. Then I tried to assure myself Trump would step up to the job, but I over estimated his capability.I still have difficulty in feeling normal around relatives and friends who excuse everything this value-free, amoral bag of wind says or does, and that feeling extends to Congress. It would have been so lovely if Austria had only reinstated Trump's draft dodging grandfather's citizenship. That is not an illustrious immigrant family. I guess you could call it an immigration problem along with that of Rupert Murdoch.

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Posted by Peggy Greene on 07/13/2017 at 2:27 PM

Re: “Danehy

Mr. Danehy, I am a donated my hard earned money, ardent Trump supporter who believes that people, specifically Liberals like you have a few screws loose. Now, before you call me stupid, I have BS in Biomedical Engineering from NC State and a BA in English from ASU and worked my entire life, well up to 70 years so far. So, as Farmers' Insurance saying goes, "I know a thing or two because I've seen a thing or two" and I've concluded you have a screw or two loose. You are the epitome of self-interest because if it doesn't come from your twisted mind, it doesn't exist. Get over yourself man or whatever you are and go build a free house like Carter and make yourself useful. Leave God alone because you couldn't begin to understand right, wrong, or faith and he'll take care of you poor crippled folks..

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Posted by Vietnam vet 2 on 07/13/2017 at 2:20 PM

Re: “Political Punch

MB. I believe it's 2017, but what does a Trump supporter like me know??

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Posted by CW13 on 07/13/2017 at 2:18 PM

Re: “There's Election Integrity, and Then There's Election Integrity

Seems like you're assuming, David, that your party has some kind of monopoly on the "clean" or "honest" use of terms like "electoral integrity." But of the two major parties, it's the "Democrats" who are more out of alignment these days with their own supposedly "democratic" electoral goals, putting them in a situation where to accomplish their ACTUAL goals they must constantly dissemble and dress their real goals up in language that conceals what they are. Of the two parties, their public language surrounding electoral politics is, in general, more dishonest.

The Rs do what they've always done and always claimed to do, represent the interests of capital: the wealthy, business owners, financiers and corporate executives, and that should be no surprisie. They imply in the title of their party (Republican) that they believe that some are better qualified to make governance decisions than others, and from their practice when it comes to the management of access to voting, it appears that they may tend to generalize that attitude a little further, to cover fitness for enfranchisement, not just fitness for governance. It outrages Democrats, but it's consistent with their overall clearly expressed outlook and goals. The Democrats, on the other hand, imply in the title of their party that everyone deserves a seat at the table and everyone's vote deserves to be counted. Yet when it comes to primary contests, which, as Lessig has repeatedly pointed out, are a critical part of getting governance to democratically reflect the policy priorities of the electorate, they stack the deck with Superdelegates and primaries in which Independents cannot vote. Then, if the electoral college undermines them in the general election, a circumstance greater proportions of the population observe and understand than the more "under the radar" manipulations in the primaries, they hypocritically protest how unfair and un-democratic it is.

The question that occurs to me frequently these days is: why should I believe a word the Ds say any more, on any subject? They tell us they want to help immigrants when there are many indications they're actually serving the interests of capital by diluting the labor pool, suppressing wages. They tell us they want to help borrowers when a thorough examination of their policy proposals would seem to suggest they're again serving the interests of capital by in effect enabling irresponsible banks to give out bad loans and then bail themselves out with taxpayer-sourced funds. They tell us they're against outsourcing while they outsource vulnerable labor pools and try to hide the fact that they've done so in public forums. More of same. They tell us they're for integration while they tolerate, excuse, and enable segregated public school systems which deliver poor services to low-SES minorities and superior services to high-SES Anglo-majority populations, a blatant and inexcusable violation of the kinds of ideals the party has managed to stand for in past decades.

I donated to, walked for, phone banked for, and voted for Democratic candidates for decades. It was watching, at both the local and national level, the electoral cycle leading up to November 2016 that brought me face to face with what the Democrats have become. You know, little things like catching local Democratic operatives in conspicuous lies and watching their local and national media lapdogs blather on about Trump, Trump, Trump ad infinitum, ad NAUSEAM while reps of the party opposing Trump busily sold their laboring constituents down the river to their corporate masters, kicked grass-roots funded candidates to the curb, and funded the campaigns they favored almost entirely with money from special interests. Out of town corporate donations for the TUSD Board elections. Wall Street money for that great defender of labor and the consumer, Ms. Clinton, while she and her cronies in the DNC and "unbiased" media outlets like the NYTimes schemed to undercut and disparage Sanders, her grass-roots funded primary opponent, a seasoned public servant who happened to be a much more genuine and credible defender of the interests of labor and the consumer than she was.

Bottom line is the outraged citizen response you're looking for vis a vis the opposing party's behaviors, schemes, and definitions of terms simply cannot be there for you, David, when the conflict between the parties is no longer, as it used to be to some degree, between capital and labor, business interests vs. the Common Good, but rather what it has become: special interest cohort A vs. special interest cohort B. Vanilla flavored capital vs. rainbow flavored capital.

Ordinary citizens have little reason to back either one, and, as was pointed out above, neither has much credibility when we're talking about "electoral integrity" in the properly democratic (not "Democratic") sense of the term.

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Posted by Your party doesn't serve "Electoral Integrity" either. on 07/13/2017 at 1:52 PM

Re: “The Skinny

Over confident because of vote fraud? Maybe they should matter.

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Posted by Vladimir Popov on 07/13/2017 at 1:45 PM

Re: “Political Punch

No attack. You shared info. I shared info. There's an estimated 260,000 hate crimes in this country annually as per a 2013 government study. You do the math if Trump hate is a real national problem.

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Posted by MB on 07/13/2017 at 1:11 PM

Re: “Danehy

I, too, have spoken with similar people. And I've heard one answer over and over. It's about abortion. One single voter issue that allows otherwise normal folks to go off the reservation. My problem is that they claim to be "pro life" but they are really only "pro birth" because, once the child is born, they don't want to feed, clothe, or educate the child. When that happens, the child grows up in poverty, joins a gang, and becomes "public enemy number one" to the very people who created them...

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Posted by Brad Jurkovac on 07/13/2017 at 1:09 PM

Re: “Political Punch

MB: Amren is a controversial site, but that doesn't mean its map is wrong. They provide links to news stories for all the anti-Trump supporter attacks they've documented. If you think they are lying about the attacks, say so and provide evidence. Just saying they are bad people is a lazy ad hominem attack.

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Posted by Nathan K on 07/13/2017 at 12:42 PM

Re: “Political Punch

As per Nathan K:

Who is American Renaissance?

American Renaissance (AR or AmRen) is a monthly online magazine described as a white supremacist publication by several sources, including The Washington Post, Fortune, and the Anti-Defamation League. It is published by the New Century Foundation, which describes itself as a "race-realist, white advocacy organization".

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Posted by MB on 07/13/2017 at 12:22 PM

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