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Re: “Ed Sec Betsy DeVos on School Choice, College Costs

The fact that often people dislike the truth more than they like it does not make it any less true.

Questions for those who think it is appropriate to lock students whose families have low income levels into malfunctioning schools, while allowing families with higher income levels to attend school wherever they please:

Are you well informed about conditions in TUSD schools?

If you are well-informed, what are you doing to ask for better governance and administration in TUSD?

Attending every Board meeting?

Speaking regularly in the Call to the Audience?

Organizing demonstrations around, for example, issues relating to substitute teacher compensation and the proper use of 301 pay?

Donating to and volunteering for candidates who can bring about positive change on the Board?

Volunteering in the schools?

Serving as a community rep on your local schools Site Council?

If you answered No to any of the above, can you, in good conscience, deny other peoples children the right to transfer their per-pupil funding out of the troubled schools you refuse to devote advocacy energy to improving, schools that are not meeting their educational needs?

When citizens dont perform their proper roles in a democratically controlled school district, it malfunctions. When it malfunctions, people have to be allowed to exit. There should not be an economic penalty against families who recognize when an institution is failing and get their children out. That is responsible behavior, and it should be rewarded, not penalized.

Supporters of Public Schools: you continue to support something that is a good idea in theory, but decade after decade, you have not been able to get it to deliver good services in practice. We have long since passed the point where your inability to improve the institutions you support (in theory, but not in citizen-advocacy practice) has undermined the publics ability to have confidence in your policy preferences.

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Posted by ...and A Comment Referencing Citizen Apathy on 12/05/2017 at 8:28 AM

Re: “A Conversation with Bruce Bartlett, Part 2: "Trump Is Unquestionably the Most Incompetent, Most Inept, Most Ignorant President We've Ever Had in Our History"

Huppenthal:

Why do you spread all that misinformation?

Does it make you feel superior?

Too bad that you didn't learn your lesson the first time that you were exposed to the public as the idiot that you are.

That's the definition of a true idiot. Someone who makes obvious mistakes and can't learn one stinking thing from it.

It's time for you to retire from making commentary. Take up pickleball, or canasta, or anything else.

23 likes, 4 dislikes
Posted by Hupp needs to vanish on 12/04/2017 at 12:58 PM

Re: “A Conversation with Author Bruce Bartlett, Part 1: Tax Bill Is "Dreadful Legislation"

Nothing you can say makes Hillary Clinton a viable choice. Americans did the best they could with the choices given at the time. Retire her or lose more voters. She is not trusted.

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Posted by Wayne Olson on 12/04/2017 at 10:41 AM

Re: “A Conversation with Bruce Bartlett, Part 2: "Trump Is Unquestionably the Most Incompetent, Most Inept, Most Ignorant President We've Ever Had in Our History"

What's new? Obama tax cuts were a tax increase for many. Looks like they just can't stop spending.

In 2010, President Obama signed an $858 billion tax cut deal. It extended the Bush tax cuts through 2012 and unemployment benefits through 2011. It cut payroll taxes by 2 percent, adding $120 million to workers' spendable income. It extended a college tuition tax credit. It also included $55 billion in industry-specific tax cuts.

To pay for part of these costs, Obamas deal revived the inheritance tax that had lapsed for a year. It applied a 35 percent tax rate to estates worth over $5 million for individuals or over $10 million for families. (Source: Washington Post, "Obama, GOP reach deal to extend tax breaks," December 7, 2010)

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Posted by Wayne Olson on 12/04/2017 at 10:36 AM

Re: “A Conversation with Bruce Bartlett, Part 2: "Trump Is Unquestionably the Most Incompetent, Most Inept, Most Ignorant President We've Ever Had in Our History"

I love the comment above by huppent. I didn't know that Obama was so powerful that even a chance of him being elected could cause a financial economic collapse. Wow!
And Obama cut taxes. By a lot. Look it up, or search your memory if you have a longer memory than most Americans these days.

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Posted by bslap on 12/04/2017 at 9:16 AM

Re: “A Conversation with Bruce Bartlett, Part 2: "Trump Is Unquestionably the Most Incompetent, Most Inept, Most Ignorant President We've Ever Had in Our History"

Lots of problems, yes, but at least there are some reductions in illegal immigration and overall immigration with a good chance of more reductions to come. Politics isn't pretty and Democrats have a lot of soul searching to do on who they're really representing.

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Posted by bslap on 12/04/2017 at 9:15 AM

Re: “A Conversation with Author Bruce Bartlett, Part 1: Tax Bill Is "Dreadful Legislation"

Hmmm, only more Obama bashing here by the pro-Drumpsters? They all seem to forget that the economic recession that Obama had to fix was caused by the policies of Republican George Bush. Obama did his job so well that Trump was gifted with an expanding economy, that Drump now takes credit for.

These writers above don't seem like 1%-ers to me. When they find their taxes being raised, and their individual standards of living declining, because of the Republican tax bill being shoved through Congress right now, they will learn that elections do indeed have consequences, especially when you weren't really paying attention to the issues.

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Posted by Dave Phillips on 12/04/2017 at 5:46 AM

Re: “Ed Sec Betsy DeVos on School Choice, College Costs

Yes, David: keep focusing on Betsy De Vos. You certainly would not want to focus on what is going on at Booth Fickett or what has gone on at Secrist or Utterback or Doolen because then the attempt to deny people the ability to transfer their public per-pupil out of some of our mismanaged, increasingly dangerous local schools might look like what it actually is: bad public policy, damaging to our community at large and unfair to the families living within the catchment zones of these schools.

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Posted by Another comment referencing actual conditions in the schools on 12/03/2017 at 11:36 AM

Re: “A Conversation with Bruce Bartlett, Part 2: "Trump Is Unquestionably the Most Incompetent, Most Inept, Most Ignorant President We've Ever Had in Our History"

" the recession ... was a direct result of Bush's administration "

Maybe not.

Lucas won the Nobel Prize for rational expectations theory, that a change in what people expect for the future immediately changes the present. A simple concept that when people on a train look down the tracks and see them going over a cliff, they get off immediately.

As Obama went from a 15% chance of being president in 2008 to 70%, the stock market weakened and then collapsed $8.2 trillion. As he was first stalemated by the Republicans and then walked to the door, the stock market first went up $7 trillion and then with Trump's surprise election, another 5 trillion.

Obama promised and delivered a big tax increase on small businessmen and women. The economics department at the University of Arizona is so twisted; they think that is good for the economy. Its not; it laid waste to us in something called the Great Recession. Just like Roosevelts increase from 25% to 93% made the Great Depression the Great Depression.

Obama caused the Great Recession intensified the Great Recession, and lengthened the Great Recession.

The huge tax increase that Obama put in place and the huge diversion of resources to engage in the stylish pursuit of climate change devastated our economy. Growth in capital intensiveness, the core of improving living conditions ground to a complete halt.

As a result, our labor productivity improvement only averaged one-half percent under Obama after averaging 2.5% under Bush. No improvement in labor productivity equals no pay increase for the workers.

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Posted by jhuppent@hotmail.com on 12/03/2017 at 9:28 AM

Re: “Tucsonans Travel to D.C. To Argue Against the Republican Tax Bill

Real tax reform would be a good thing. The last time was 1986, and rigorous review, bipartisan input, and months of open hearings were painstakingly applied before any vote took place. This "reform" was shoddy and blindly accepted without any of that. The final printed version before the vote was a disgraceful mess of last minute cross outs, hand written edits and porky additions. I hope that all those citizens and politicians who supported this messy legislation will honestly appraise its future effectiveness. Give it 5 years to sink in. At least these 8 folks felt some conscience and tried to give warning. But in the end, "Neither Flake nor McCain were available to meet with the group," and we now know something strange got done. Never again can we trust the "deficit hawks" in Washington, DC.

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Posted by Constant Voter on 12/03/2017 at 7:38 AM

Re: “Ed Sec Betsy DeVos on School Choice, College Costs

Tin foil hats anyone?

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Posted by Mona S on 12/03/2017 at 7:30 AM

Re: “Ed Sec Betsy DeVos on School Choice, College Costs

Kleptocracy -- a government with corrupt leaders who use their power to exploit the people and natural resources to extend their personal wealth and power.

Plutocracy -- a government where a small minority of wealthiest citizens rule.

Welcome to America's nightmare -- a Kleptoplutocracy, where a small minority of the wealthiest citizens personally or through the use of the corrupted political puppets they control exploit the rule of law, the Constitution, the people and virtually every American institution to extend their wealth, power and influence, even at the risk of starting regional international conflicts and world war.

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Posted by sgsmith on 12/03/2017 at 2:21 AM

Re: “The Skinny

The unpopularity of the tax bill is irrelevant. What will be relevant is its impact on our economy. Will growth take off or not? What will be the impact on our deficit?

After Reagan reduced personal income tax rates from 70% to 28% and corporate from 45% to 35%, the combined personal and corporate federal revenues hit records in both 1987 and 1988. Plus, the economy grew 4.7% in 1987 and 3.6% in 1988, more than double Obama's 2.9% in 2015 and 1.5% in 2016.

Lower tax rates can result in higher revenues and much higher growth. Tax revenues went up after Kennedy and Coolidge did dramatic tax cuts too.


In 1980, taxpayers with an AGI of $80,000 or more (the top 1% of taxpayers in 1980) paid $47 billion in income taxes. Adjusted for inflation, $80,000 in 1980 is $238,000 today. This year taxpayers with an AGI of $238,000 or more will pay over $850 billion. Thats not a trickle, thats not a river, thats not a tsunami, thats a whole ocean. They went from paying 19% of all U.S. personal income taxes to paying over 50%.


Edward Prescott, Nobel Prize winner, found that the higher taxes of Europe caused people to start work later in life, retire earlier, take more sick leave, take more vacation, work less intensely, work less ambitiously, grow less intelligent as adults and produce corporations with lower market values.


That's why Europe's stock market is at $8 trillion and ours is at $29.9 trillion. Because Reagan reduced our tax rates.


That's why U.S. jobs have grown 60% since 1980 while Europe jobs have grown less than 26%.

Thats why U.S. real median per capita personal income has increased 44% since 1981.

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Posted by jhuppent@hotmail.com on 12/02/2017 at 8:06 PM

Re: “A Conversation with Bruce Bartlett, Part 2: "Trump Is Unquestionably the Most Incompetent, Most Inept, Most Ignorant President We've Ever Had in Our History"

Truce it is. I must admit you did throw me a bit of a curve. We will never agree on this so let's just drop it. I know that there are a lot of people who read what I post very carefully to try and trip me up. So I read first, type second. As I said to Robin I'm no Bush fan. I also don't recall saying Obama ruined the economy. I just feel he didn't do all that much to help it.

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Posted by CW13 on 12/02/2017 at 4:07 PM

Re: “The Skinny

"The tax bill is remarkably unpopular." And yet our two heroic senators voted for it. Their hypocrisy shouldn't be all that surprising, did anyone really think think adding to the debt would take precedent over anything that would line their pockets and their donors' pockets? They're Republicans, it's what they do. At least they're honest about being bought, Democrats like to pretend they're the party of the middle class and poor when they're basically Republican-lite (moderate Republicans cool with abortion and gay marriage). This country desperately needs to get money out of politics and make campaigns publicly financed, granting access to all political parties as real democracies do.

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Posted by Kash Minbar on 12/02/2017 at 3:20 PM

Re: “A Conversation with Bruce Bartlett, Part 2: "Trump Is Unquestionably the Most Incompetent, Most Inept, Most Ignorant President We've Ever Had in Our History"

Crazy Al:

Sorry, I'm just tired of reading things where you're not doing your homework. Please educate yourself before you post. It will benefit you and it will also sway those who have different opinions. You have posted items in the past that I didn't necessarily agree with, but upon further investigation I discovered they had some validity. This tripe that you posted above and other items which you've posted about the Obama administration ruining the economy have no validity. I just can't get behind it.

I am willing to admit though, I shouldn't have attacked you like that and I'm sorry that I didn't handle it a bit more maturely. Please accept my apology for my behaviour, but understand that I do not apologise for pointing out your lack of knowledge on the Obama administration's inheritance of a very ruined economy. As far as I'm concerned, it all started with Daddy Bush's New World Order bullshit, it continued with Clinton's NAFTA bullshit and Baby Bush sure the fuck didn't help with several things I am not the mood to currently discuss. Please don't blame an administration that actually improved things after the previous 3 really twisted things up.

Once again, my apologies.

Truce brother. Arizona/Dave C.

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Posted by AZ/DC! on 12/02/2017 at 2:56 PM

Re: “A Conversation with Bruce Bartlett, Part 2: "Trump Is Unquestionably the Most Incompetent, Most Inept, Most Ignorant President We've Ever Had in Our History"

They still blame it on Bush. ( Who I never cared for either) If Obummer knew how bad the economy was, perhaps he should have stayed in Chicago stirring up shit instead.

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Posted by CW13 on 12/02/2017 at 2:53 PM

Re: “A Conversation with Bruce Bartlett, Part 2: "Trump Is Unquestionably the Most Incompetent, Most Inept, Most Ignorant President We've Ever Had in Our History"

There is no way that those who continue to support Trump and his ridiculous ideas will ever get it. They like to think that Obama caused the recession because it was hitting the hardest as he came into office. In fact, it was a direct result of Bush's administration (and all the preceding years of trickle down economics and de-regulation). Now they like to think that the Trump is responsible for the recovery that took eight years of hard work and continued sacrifice because enjoyed the benefits as he came into office.
These are the same people that continue to think that Obama was not born i the U.S., climate change is simply of figment of the imagination of 95 - 99% of the world's scientists, and of course, totally misunderstand the 2nd amendment and is the only part of the constitution that matters to them.
It is unfortunate that in the U.S. the loser of the election becomes the President. In any other country, we would call it like it is - a failed democracy. And we are suffering the consequences.

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Posted by Robin Steinberg on 12/02/2017 at 2:48 PM

Re: “A Conversation with Bruce Bartlett, Part 2: "Trump Is Unquestionably the Most Incompetent, Most Inept, Most Ignorant President We've Ever Had in Our History"

What happened, AZ/DC? I thought we had a truce. Oh and Francis, blow it out your ass you sanctimonious gas bag.

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Posted by CW13 on 12/02/2017 at 2:26 PM

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