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Re: “Trial Over TUSD's Mexican American Studies to Begin in Tucson June 26

Hey P Mason, from the sound of it, it could be a bench trial, not a jury trial.

Juries are finders of fact, not arbiters of law.

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Posted by Steve M on 06/14/2017 at 10:00 PM

Re: “Gabby Giffords: Today's Congressional Shooting 'Is an Attack on All Who Serve and on All Who Participate in our Democracy'

Clarence D, the New York Times says the suspect was distraught over Trump's election. I haven't read the whole piece, but he doesn't sound like a right-winger to me. Wackos can come from all over the political spectrum, IMHO.

Anyway, I'm glad to see that Giffords has slowly but surely made some recovery. I remember when she could barely speak in the wake of the shooting. We're all rooting for you, G.G. Don't give up.

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Posted by Ex-Arizonan on 06/14/2017 at 5:18 PM

Re: “Standing O

@HumanBean, I grow weary of your idiocy.

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Posted by donkiyoti on 06/14/2017 at 4:23 PM

Re: “Gabby Giffords: Today's Congressional Shooting 'Is an Attack on All Who Serve and on All Who Participate in our Democracy'

This guy was probably a right wing wacko pushed to the edge by talk radio.

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Posted by Clarence D on 06/14/2017 at 3:31 PM

Re: “Gabby Giffords: Today's Congressional Shooting 'Is an Attack on All Who Serve and on All Who Participate in our Democracy'

Let us also remember in our prayers the following victims of our Democracy:

President Abraham Lincoln, as well as the families of: President John F Kennedy, Dr. Martin Luther King, and Senator Robert F Kennedy.

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Posted by Francis Saitta on 06/14/2017 at 2:38 PM

Re: “14th Grade Is the New 12th Grade

The issues for college are even more intense than the issues for k-12. There have been comprehensive longitudinal studies of University students. The results are devastating. Fifty percent of students who survive two years in college show no signs of cognitive gains. Think about that, 42% of students are so dissatisfied they don't return for a second year of college at that school. 30% don't return to college at all. They get it - for most students at most colleges, college is a zero value added environment. They are cows being milked for money.

Think about that. They have piled on debt to their eyeballs and all they have to show for it are memories of hook ups and beer parties.

As the percentage of people with college degrees has risen, the percentage of people with college degrees not in the workforce has risen right in concert.

The Board of Regents (I attended these meetings for four years) is inundated with data that wouldn't survive a freshman econometric course. We all know that College graduates make more money than high school graduates but how much of that is ****caused**** by college and to what degree is college just a very expensive filter or gauntlet that everyone must run through to participate in society?

In Econometrics, this is called specification error - earnings are a function of whether you graduated from college or not.

College (NAU) transformed my life and certainly they transform many people who go on to lead very accomplished lives. But, the data says they can do much, much more for many more students.

Over the last decade and a half, university quality in Arizona has steadily been on the rise - 1 percentage point a year when 7 percentage points are possible and we have the leadership in place to achieve 7 points. And, guess what, that coincided with increasing the student responsibility for tuition, not reducing it.

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Posted by on 06/14/2017 at 12:28 PM

Re: “14th Grade Is the New 12th Grade

Military spending is budgeted at $824.7 billion. The biggest expense is the Department of Defense base budget, at $574.5 billion. Overseas Contingency Operations will cost $76.6 billion.

Mandatory spending is $2.535 trillion. Social Security is by far the biggest expense, at $1.005 trillion. Medicare is next, at $582 billion, followed by Medicaid at $404 billion.

2017 Budget

(Trillion is larger than billion)

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Posted by Make America, Don't Take America! on 06/14/2017 at 12:04 PM

Re: “14th Grade Is the New 12th Grade

College is necessary to TUSD grads because as the Tucson community allows members of the district's governing board to continue their destructive grandstanding, conspicuous extended absences from the podium while business is conducted, bickering and infighting, the weaknesses in the quality of services the district delivers to its forty-something thousand students never get addressed, much less fixed.

Seriously, David. I ask you to watch the entire Board meeting that took place last night from start to finish once it is posted on the district's website. The June 13 meeting will be posted on this web page within the next few days:

That what was recorded in the TUSD board room last night can take place in the governance of an educational institution serving tens of thousands of students is an embarrassment to Tucson, to Arizona, and to the country as a whole. Ducey is bad, but how could it benefit the state to have Garcia, a firm friend of TUSD's 2013-2016 Board majority, two of whom are still on that board and contributing actively to its ongoing dysfunction and discord, as CEO of our state?

Are this district's problems stemming only from insufficient funding? Will additional funding necessarily fix its problems? Please watch last night's proceedings of that group of elected officials, as parents and community members who have the misfortune to be directly affected by this degenerate district's governance decisions regularly have to do, and ask and answer that question honestly for yourself.

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Posted by Will not vote for someone who endorses TUSD's dysfunction. on 06/14/2017 at 10:11 AM

Re: “14th Grade Is the New 12th Grade

You bunched together multiple sectors, military is the biggest by itself, i didnt say it constituted a majority. And that chart is from 2015 and will be erroneous if trumps budget gets through…

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Posted by Palisades on 06/14/2017 at 9:47 AM

Re: “14th Grade Is the New 12th Grade

You bunched together multiple sectors, military spending is the biggest by itself. And that chart is from 2015…

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Posted by Palisades on 06/14/2017 at 9:45 AM

Re: “14th Grade Is the New 12th Grade

That's odd. SS, Unemployment and Medicare make up 60% of the budget. Defense is 16%.

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Posted by Make America, Don't Take America! on 06/14/2017 at 9:35 AM

Re: “14th Grade Is the New 12th Grade

"As a nation we are $20T in debt. many of you fell for this and are responsible."

The biggest contributor to the debt is the military spending, which our president just boasted about raising.

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Posted by Palisades on 06/14/2017 at 6:01 AM

Re: “14th Grade Is the New 12th Grade

Perhaps the reason that 14th grade is the new 12th grade is because standards have dropped. Remember this article that made the rounds of the web a few years back? It's called "An 1895 8th Grade Final Exam: I Couldn't Pass It. Could You?"

Here are a few of the questions:
"Give nine rules for the use of Capital Letters." (If you're reading this, this means you, Francis Saitta.)
"Define Verse, Stanza and Paragraph."
"District No. 33 has a valuation of $35,000. What is the necessary levy to carry on a school seven months at $50 per month, and have $104 for incidentals?"
"Find bank discount on $300 for 90 days (no grace) at 10 percent."
"Write a Bank Check, a Promissory Note, and a Receipt."
"Describe three of the most prominent battles of the Rebellion."
"Who were the following: Morse, Whitney, Fulton, Bell, Lincoln, Penn, and Howe?"
"Name events connected with the following dates: 1607, 1620, 1800, 1849, and 1865?"
"Use the following correctly in sentences, Cite, site, sight, fane, fain, feign, vane, vain, vein, raze, raise, rays." (Hardly anyone on the Internet can answer this one anymore.)
"What is climate? Upon what does climate depend?" (I bet Scott Pruitt can't answer this one.)
"Name and describe the following: Monrovia, Odessa, Denver, Manitoba, Hecla, Yukon, St. Helena, Juan Fernandez, Aspinwall and Orinoco"
And so on. Can the average eighth-grader still pass a test like this? Can the average high school graduate? A lot of people under 35 nowadays seem to complain about the difficulties of "adulting," and while some of their complaints are indeed quite valid, especially considering how much more complicated modern life has become, the people who complain about not being able to figure out how to pay a bill at the age of twenty-five kind of leave me scratching my head. Meanwhile, over 120 years ago, a thirteen-year-old had to know how to do it. So is higher education really teaching anyone anything now, or is it just making up for all the ways in which the educational system failed our youth while they were underclassmen? In other words, should 14th grade *have* to be the new 12th grade? Is 12th grade no longer up to par in terms of curriculum? Why am I seeing classified ads that require a high school diploma in order to obtain a menial custodial job?

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Posted by Ex-Arizonan on 06/13/2017 at 9:45 PM

Re: “14th Grade Is the New 12th Grade

As a nation we are $20T in debt. many of you fell for this and are responsible. Please begin to look for solutions or it will be your retirement and health insurance that they need to take away.

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Posted by Make America, Don't Take America! on 06/13/2017 at 2:26 PM

Re: “14th Grade Is the New 12th Grade

Human Bean:

What are the average wage rates, benefits packages, and social safety nets available for someone who has foregone college to work in a trade in Germany? How do they compare with the average wage rates, benefits packages, and social safety nets available to someone in the same position in the U.S.? What has Germany done with its manufacturing base? Has it been outsourced to foreign countries, as much of the U.S.'s base has been? The U.S. won't benefit from adopting some aspects of the German system without adopting other components of that system that make those aspects livable and acceptable. It's unlikely that those features of the German system could be transferred here, given our current economic and political situation.

David Safier:

At the roots of the college funding problem in this country are the student debt industry and the tuition discounting consulting industry:

We will not be able to address the problem and stop the indenturing of the next generation without confronting the vested interests that profit from loading students up with debt. It seems unlikely that these interests can be confronted successfully without campaign finance reform, so your proposed policy solution is treating the symptom, not the cause. If the proposed policy is adopted, the cause will be unaffected and the symptom will simply shift its demographic range slightly and target a slightly different set of victims (those not utilizing the public system). Meanwhile, there will be new problems created in the public system when it becomes the only portion of the higher ed system that has no costs associated with it.

As for your friend David Garcia, it seems unlikely that he will solve any of our problems in this state. He has far too many ties to the malfunctioning portions of the Democratic Party in Southern Arizona. And the Democratic party here and elsewhere has too many ties to the financial industry and its loan peddlers. Quite a tricky problem, isn't it, finding campaign promises that will lure enough people to the voting booth to get your candidate into the driver's seat, while distracting voters from the fact that those promises entirely fail to address the real problems and confront the real villains? It's a trick too many Democrats are adept at playing these days.

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Posted by Real solutions treat causes, not symptoms. on 06/13/2017 at 1:32 PM

Re: “Who Has the Best Sonoran 'Dog and Chorizo in Town? One Contest Settles It.

"Here with the babe?"

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Posted by Claudia F on 06/13/2017 at 12:05 PM

Re: “14th Grade Is the New 12th Grade

Very well said HB.

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Posted by Dave W on 06/13/2017 at 12:02 PM

Re: “Who Has the Best Sonoran 'Dog and Chorizo in Town? One Contest Settles It.

I don't need to go to the Desert Diamond Casino to find out who has the best Sonoran Hot Dogs in Tucson. It's Aqui Con El Nene, hands down!

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Posted by JCC on 06/13/2017 at 11:51 AM

Re: “14th Grade Is the New 12th Grade

There is no such thing as a free lunch. A university education is not for everyone and it should not be. There is nothing wrong with that! As a society, we should be more invested in creating high level apprenticeships and trade schools opportunities, to open doors for the tens of thousands of kids being pushed down a path towards college that does them more harm than good.

Our education system is failing because of the flawed ideal that all students should go to college. The end result of this philosophy has been a massive increase in demand for seats at universities, subsidized by loans, which has caused the cost of higher ed to bloat. Look at the number of university students in Arizona who have to take remedial math and English as freshmen and sophomores, it is staggeringly high. Look at the drop out rates. Look at the debt load placed on those who drop out because they did not belong there in the first place.

Why do we insist on putting square pegs through round holes? A university education is only one path and we need to lay down alternative paths to good employment for the majority of Arizona students who do not belong at a University in the first place. A great place to start is K-12 where the 'university only' culture is strongest. Germany provides a great model on combining education with trade school and apprenticeships at the high school level and post high school level.

A free University education is just another step in the wrong direction and ignores the real issue: fixing K-12 and creating opportunities for those who do not belong in a purely academic setting. If we can fix K-12, create a system of high school and post high school level trade schools and high level apprenticeships, well then, and only then, should be begin to talk about about making it university free.

Until then, I refuse to subsidize an education policy that is detrimental to the economic well being of our state. I will vote against this clown the same as I will vote against Ducey. Two sides of the same coin. Of course none of this makes for a good sound bite, 'Free University' sure does sound good, especially to those blinded by ideology or unfamiliar with the implications and true costs. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid David.

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Posted by HumanBean on 06/13/2017 at 11:11 AM

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