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Re: “Statewide Voucher Initiatives Has Been Voted Down Everywhere, Every Time

Wow, the majority is willing to abuse the minority. What a prescient observation.

Let's review the history. District education education is not public education. 99% of the public is excluded from district schools.

Bricks and teachers aren't public. Children are the public. Arizona is the only state with a public education system with every school in the state open ro the public.

In almost every other state, it is a crime to allow the public to attend a district school or to allow them to get their public education at a Christiam school.

Here you are defending a bigoted, racist institution to the bitter end.

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Posted by jhuppent@hotmail.com on 04/24/2017 at 6:04 AM

Re: “The Pima County Fair is Back and You Don't Want to Miss It

DO NOT REPEAT, DO NOT GO TO THE PIMA COUNTY FAIR. We have been stuck in line that is still not moving in a half empty parking lot just trying to leave for an hour now. You probably will experience the same. The restrooms are disgusting people crapping in the urinals and it is a lets get drunk fest here.

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Posted by Azpaul on 04/22/2017 at 11:37 PM

Re: “Trouble in Republican City Over Voucher Expansion?

Turf reactions are everywhere. Only 50% of Republicans support school choice on polling data. But, when they go into the voting booth, they don't trust democrats to make the right decisions.

If your brain is wired to believe that the school is public, that these bricks, these teachers are public, then you have that reaction.

The truth is that the parents and the children are the public and now, close to 100% of the schools in Arizona are open to the public while the public in other states finds 99% of the schools closed to them.

We in Arizona now have a public school system, unlike almost every other state which have district school systems.

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Posted by jhuppent@hotmail.com on 04/22/2017 at 6:57 PM

Re: “Trouble in Republican City Over Voucher Expansion?

What a surprise. Southern Arizona Democrats "dislike" the hard truth about their public policy preferences and their favored public institutions.

Perhaps they should recognize that if they want people to support their policy preferences and public institutions, they need to do a better job of managing them and communicating honestly with the public about them.

Loudly applauding dysfunction, disparaging legitimate progressive policy goals like integration, and engaging in a systematic program of trying to block the truth about what's actually going on in these institutions from getting to the electorate is not, in the long run, a winning approach. (Or, as Jo Holt once wisely said, "Lying is not a sustainable strategy.") All it will achieve is disenchantment and disengagement among those paying enough attention to see the difference between dishonest propaganda and the realities in the lives of constituents. When you observe entrenched resistance to competent management and honest communication, what else can you conclude but that the constituents being mistreated and underserved need to be given a way to leave?

Yes, I know. You disagree. Many of you think the only thing to do is lie to the public and engage in a no-holds-barred, last ditch street-fight with your political opponents to try to "save" the public district system. You conveniently ignore the fact that you yourselves and your entire filthy network have, over the course of the last few decades, conspired to turn large portions of this system into something impossible to reform, and thus, not worth saving.

Job well done. Just make sure you assign the blame where it actually belongs. Hint: a good, hard look in the mirror is what's called for.

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Posted by "Lying is not a sustainable strategy." on 04/22/2017 at 6:24 PM

Re: “Just Getting Started

Great article. Keep up the good work!!!

Posted by Mariann Bournstein Flaschen on 04/22/2017 at 1:17 PM

Re: “Tucson Salvage

Excellent customer service! Reasonably priced!

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Posted by Saad DQ on 04/22/2017 at 11:16 AM

Re: “Trouble in Republican City Over Voucher Expansion?

If it weren't so sad, it would be quite funny, the way the promoters of an egregiously mismanaged public school district that, though it has lost thousands of students during the last decade, still has more than 40,000 student stuck in it, persist in trying to pitch their transparently shoddy merchandise to the public as "the best kind of education possible!!!"

Meanwhile they scheme to alter public policy to ensure that as few people as possible will have any way of escaping the sick institutions and shockingly poor governance they love to excuse and justify.

Heads up, Dems. If you live in Southern Arizona and have even the smallest degree of awareness of local conditions and events, you recognize that people who want to lock students into a district where the governance has deteriorated to this parody-able level are neither "pro-education" nor "pro-child":
http://tucson.com/news/opinion/column/fitz/fitz-i-m-the-man-for-the-tusd-job/article_f7e6d63d-e83c-5be9-9d40-ea9c55e747cd.html

Let's translate the propagandistic doublespeak in Safier's blog on "Trouble in Republican City": "Democrats hope to profit from squabbles between factions on the other side of the political fence to push their self-interested, political machine-feeding public policy agenda through the legislature. This agenda has nothing to do with expanding access to SOUND education or protecting CHILDREN'S best interests, and everything to do with keeping certain powerful politicians and their networks, which are interwoven with districts like TUSD, happy."

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Posted by Doublespeak Translation on 04/22/2017 at 11:14 AM

Re: “Money and Challengers, Oh My

Several times back in the past (i.e., before the attack) I can remember listening to our Representative Gabrielle Giffords live on local radio, being interviewed and taking calls. Gabrielle took all calls without hesitation and spoke up on a range of issues, even those that were personal to the caller. In a soft voice, Gabrielle spoke with strength and sincerity. With so many people in office today, such courage and common sense have evaporated.

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Posted by Constant Voter on 04/22/2017 at 5:24 AM

Re: “Trouble in Republican City Over Voucher Expansion?

Are there "pro-education, pro-child" Democrats David?

Who exactly would that be? The people who want to lock low-income kids into malfunctioning public schools like those where a rotating cast of outsourced and underpaid subs, not certified teachers, staff the classrooms?

But that doesn't serve either the cause of excellence in education OR the best interests of the children who could be learning more in an alternative setting, e.g. one of the private schools in Tucson where seats go begging for lack of families able to bear the full cost of tuition.

Not surprised that those who profit from charters are up in arms about the ESA legislation. Low quality charters have been able to draw enrollment off of high quality privates because of the state's economic discrimination against private schools. They know they can't compete once the economic discrimination is elimitated.

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Posted by It's voucher supporters who are pro-education and pro-child. on 04/21/2017 at 6:53 PM

Re: “Just Getting Started

Pionic is such a wonderful place! I envision this place becoming a gem of Tucson, and a nationally renowned restaurant. Scott's energy, passion, and love shows in everything Pionic does.
I think restaurants like Piology are fine too, but Pionic is OUR Tucson gem. It is the only restaurant with this concept that is native from Tucson.
Best of luck!

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Posted by Francy Luna Díaz on 04/21/2017 at 5:45 PM

Re: “The Skinny

12 dead in Caracas today from food riots. Socialism failing once again Tucsonans. Please try to pay attention.

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Posted by Victor E on 04/21/2017 at 4:52 PM

Re: “Editor’s Note

At least there's one golden highlight: If I move within the TUSD area, I'll be able to use this voucher program.

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Posted by Not a Rancho Snob on 04/21/2017 at 4:33 PM

Re: “Editor’s Note

Do you children ever quit whining? It's not how much money we give education, it's how poorly education spends it. Nothing will change until TUSD does. Thank God for that.

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Posted by TUSD needs to rid itself of on 04/21/2017 at 3:31 PM

Re: “Zona Politics Tonight: Councilman Steve Kozachik and Metro Chamber Prez Mike Varney

Ask Steve what happened to our tax dollars that were collected to repair roads. What was that money spent on, and what guarantee does the taxpayer have that we simply won't be lied to again?

No more money Steve you have an addition to spending, and we are planning a tough love intervention.

Vote NO on any bond initiatives until we get rid of the current crop of lying leaders.

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Posted by Silly Rabbi Twax is for Kidds! on 04/21/2017 at 3:28 PM

Re: “Statewide Voucher Initiatives Has Been Voted Down Everywhere, Every Time

Rancho Snob, depending on who is drafting the polling question, the issue is framed to give the desired outcome. Mine was not an attempted nice try. It serviced the target.

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Posted by Allen S on 04/21/2017 at 2:19 PM

Re: “Statewide Voucher Initiatives Has Been Voted Down Everywhere, Every Time

NOT A RANCHO SNOB, you should have kept reading:

"That tells you that a single question on the concept of vouchers does not tell the whole story, said State Board of Education President Michael Kirst, who wrote analyses for both voucher initiatives. 'Support eroded for vouchers the more that voters learned about the details and the implications,' he said. He said to accurately measure public opinion, there should be several questions, such as: 'Would you support a voucher program if it funded students already in private school? Would you support it if it only went to low-income children? Or paid for only a portion of the tuition?''

So in other words, contra Safier, the way the question is framed does matter. Support changes significantly as the wording changes and the details of the proposal that goes to the electorate change.

Also of interest in the same article: "African Americans, who elsewhere in the poll express the least satisfaction with public schools, are the most supportive, with 73 percent favoring vouchers, followed by Latinos, with 69 percent favoring vouchers, Asians with 56 percent and whites with 51 percent."

That would seem to suggest that the comment above which stated that support for vouchers is related to how well the public schools are meeting the needs of their constituents is correct. Minority populations that have traditionally been under-served in public schools support vouchers at higher rates than whites and Asians do. Schools serving high-SES neighborhoods that have majority white / Asian populations generally have higher functioning public schools.

People don't generally leave a neighborhood school that is convenient and comes with free transportation for trivial reasons. If they want to leave, let them leave, and let them apply the money that the state saves when they exit that school in a school that better meets their child's needs.

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Posted by Always read to the end, then draw conclusions. on 04/21/2017 at 12:35 PM

Re: “Statewide Voucher Initiatives Has Been Voted Down Everywhere, Every Time

allen s, you should have kept reading:

PPICs 13th annual K-12 survey would appear at odds with California voters strong past opposition to vouchers. Twice before, in 1993 and 2000, voters rejected voucher initiatives, with 70 percent voting against them each time. However, in 1998, two years before the last vote and the last time that PPIC polled Californians on the issue, 58 percent of adults favored vouchers while 36 percent opposed them.

That means that answering a poll is different than actually VOTING for something.

Nice try.

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Posted by Not a Rancho Snob on 04/21/2017 at 12:17 PM

Re: “Statewide Voucher Initiatives Has Been Voted Down Everywhere, Every Time

Statewide vouchers will HELP the public schools identify their problems, and deal with them. More tax dollars going to them only means much more of the same.

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Posted by Eleanor P (Cat lady) on 04/21/2017 at 12:07 PM

Re: “Statewide Voucher Initiatives Has Been Voted Down Everywhere, Every Time

Ever consider that the willingness of the electorate to support vouchers may vary in inverse relation to the functionality of the public school system in a given state, i.e. where there are low functioning public schools, there will be high support for vouchers; where there are high functioning public schools, there will be low support for vouchers?

Coming from a blue state that had high functioning public schools, my initial stance was anti-voucher. After several years of observing what is going on in TUSD's schools and on its Board and with its administration, I changed my position. Now I do support vouchers. But if you refuse to be honest about the fact that the ship is sinking, David, which you have consistently done for the four years that I have taken the trouble to read your misleading and deeply depressing "commentary," I guess you think you should get a "pass" on having to acknowledge that lifeboats are necessary to save as many lives / educations as possible from a school system that has descended to this now-probably-irreversible level of dysfunction.

You may hold the opinion that more children's futures should be sacrificed to the false God of WHAT PUBLIC SCHOOLS SHOULD BE, BUT IN ARIZONA ARE NOT AND NEVER WILL BE. Many of us -- more every day as the dysfunction of TUSD becomes ever more conspicuous to the broader community -- disagree with you.

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Posted by Whose needs matter, STUDENTS' or THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM'S? on 04/21/2017 at 10:35 AM

Re: “Statewide Voucher Initiatives Has Been Voted Down Everywhere, Every Time

"The numbers might move a bit if the questions on the two polls were phrased in a more voucher-friendly way, but not by enough to change the overall result."

Pure assertion. The questions in the polls you cite were asked in extremely biased, prejudicial ways, and there is absolutely no evidence to back up your claim that if the questions had been phrased differently, the results would not have been different.

What if the question were posed this way:
"Do all children with similar needs deserve to have exactly the same amount of tax funded support for their educations, or should it be legal for the state to discriminate economically against parents who are responsible enough to take the time and trouble to remove their children from malfunctioning / low performing neighborhood schools and to transport them at their own expense to schools that are able to meet their children's academic needs i.e. that enable their children to perform at the academic level that matches their ability level?"

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Posted by How the poll questions are phrased DOES make a difference. on 04/21/2017 at 10:32 AM

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