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Re: “There's Election Integrity, and Then There's Election Integrity

To what extent will a substantially inequitable economic base always subvert a theoretically equitable political / electoral superstructure built on it?

"The market measures influence in dollars, while a democracy, in principle, measure votes. In practice, at some level of inequality, the dollars infect and overwhelm the votes. Reasonable people can disagree about the levels of inequality that a democracy can tolerate without becoming an utter charade. My judgment is that we have been in the 'charade zone' for quite some time."

James C. Scott, Sterling Professor of Political Science at Yale

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Posted by Electoral integrity? Electoral politics measures $s, not votes. on 07/13/2017 at 3:48 PM

Re: “There's Election Integrity, and Then There's Election Integrity

Our Democracy, as any Democracy, is inherently contentious in the competition of Political Ideologies; initially with the Federalists vs. Anti-Federalists; now with, in the main, Democrats vs. Republicans. We have developed, sadly and dangerously, into a "Democracy" that is controlled by powerful Financial Interests Groups that are using their money to "buy" "Politicians" and, as a result, control the electoral process.

The American Voter needs to wake up and participate in the electoral process at all levels of Government; critically evaluate each Candidate, using their notion of what is in the best interests of all US Citizens and their Understanding of our Constitutionally Protected Liberties. We will lose the latter if we do not.

The question is: as a car driving toward a precipice; are we at the fulcrum or have we moved beyond? The Election of Donald Trump is NOT Hopeful and dangerously symptomatic.

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Posted by Francis Saitta on 07/13/2017 at 3:22 PM

Re: “Political Punch

That is exactly why he says we need to build the wall. To keep illegals out. What law did his grandfather break? If you have difficulty feeling normal around family and friends, it may be you.

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Posted by Greg E Peen on 07/13/2017 at 3:01 PM

Re: “Political Punch

I did wonder what really happened. The morning after election night was the first time in my life that I woke up with an anxiety attack at 3:30am. Then I tried to assure myself Trump would step up to the job, but I over estimated his capability.I still have difficulty in feeling normal around relatives and friends who excuse everything this value-free, amoral bag of wind says or does, and that feeling extends to Congress. It would have been so lovely if Austria had only reinstated Trump's draft dodging grandfather's citizenship. That is not an illustrious immigrant family. I guess you could call it an immigration problem along with that of Rupert Murdoch.

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Posted by Peggy Greene on 07/13/2017 at 2:27 PM

Re: “Danehy

Mr. Danehy, I am a donated my hard earned money, ardent Trump supporter who believes that people, specifically Liberals like you have a few screws loose. Now, before you call me stupid, I have BS in Biomedical Engineering from NC State and a BA in English from ASU and worked my entire life, well up to 70 years so far. So, as Farmers' Insurance saying goes, "I know a thing or two because I've seen a thing or two" and I've concluded you have a screw or two loose. You are the epitome of self-interest because if it doesn't come from your twisted mind, it doesn't exist. Get over yourself man or whatever you are and go build a free house like Carter and make yourself useful. Leave God alone because you couldn't begin to understand right, wrong, or faith and he'll take care of you poor crippled folks..

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Posted by Vietnam vet 2 on 07/13/2017 at 2:20 PM

Re: “Political Punch

MB. I believe it's 2017, but what does a Trump supporter like me know??

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Posted by CW13 on 07/13/2017 at 2:18 PM

Re: “There's Election Integrity, and Then There's Election Integrity

Seems like you're assuming, David, that your party has some kind of monopoly on the "clean" or "honest" use of terms like "electoral integrity." But of the two major parties, it's the "Democrats" who are more out of alignment these days with their own supposedly "democratic" electoral goals, putting them in a situation where to accomplish their ACTUAL goals they must constantly dissemble and dress their real goals up in language that conceals what they are. Of the two parties, their public language surrounding electoral politics is, in general, more dishonest.

The Rs do what they've always done and always claimed to do, represent the interests of capital: the wealthy, business owners, financiers and corporate executives, and that should be no surprisie. They imply in the title of their party (Republican) that they believe that some are better qualified to make governance decisions than others, and from their practice when it comes to the management of access to voting, it appears that they may tend to generalize that attitude a little further, to cover fitness for enfranchisement, not just fitness for governance. It outrages Democrats, but it's consistent with their overall clearly expressed outlook and goals. The Democrats, on the other hand, imply in the title of their party that everyone deserves a seat at the table and everyone's vote deserves to be counted. Yet when it comes to primary contests, which, as Lessig has repeatedly pointed out, are a critical part of getting governance to democratically reflect the policy priorities of the electorate, they stack the deck with Superdelegates and primaries in which Independents cannot vote. Then, if the electoral college undermines them in the general election, a circumstance greater proportions of the population observe and understand than the more "under the radar" manipulations in the primaries, they hypocritically protest how unfair and un-democratic it is.

The question that occurs to me frequently these days is: why should I believe a word the Ds say any more, on any subject? They tell us they want to help immigrants when there are many indications they're actually serving the interests of capital by diluting the labor pool, suppressing wages. They tell us they want to help borrowers when a thorough examination of their policy proposals would seem to suggest they're again serving the interests of capital by in effect enabling irresponsible banks to give out bad loans and then bail themselves out with taxpayer-sourced funds. They tell us they're against outsourcing while they outsource vulnerable labor pools and try to hide the fact that they've done so in public forums. More of same. They tell us they're for integration while they tolerate, excuse, and enable segregated public school systems which deliver poor services to low-SES minorities and superior services to high-SES Anglo-majority populations, a blatant and inexcusable violation of the kinds of ideals the party has managed to stand for in past decades.

I donated to, walked for, phone banked for, and voted for Democratic candidates for decades. It was watching, at both the local and national level, the electoral cycle leading up to November 2016 that brought me face to face with what the Democrats have become. You know, little things like catching local Democratic operatives in conspicuous lies and watching their local and national media lapdogs blather on about Trump, Trump, Trump ad infinitum, ad NAUSEAM while reps of the party opposing Trump busily sold their laboring constituents down the river to their corporate masters, kicked grass-roots funded candidates to the curb, and funded the campaigns they favored almost entirely with money from special interests. Out of town corporate donations for the TUSD Board elections. Wall Street money for that great defender of labor and the consumer, Ms. Clinton, while she and her cronies in the DNC and "unbiased" media outlets like the NYTimes schemed to undercut and disparage Sanders, her grass-roots funded primary opponent, a seasoned public servant who happened to be a much more genuine and credible defender of the interests of labor and the consumer than she was.

Bottom line is the outraged citizen response you're looking for vis a vis the opposing party's behaviors, schemes, and definitions of terms simply cannot be there for you, David, when the conflict between the parties is no longer, as it used to be to some degree, between capital and labor, business interests vs. the Common Good, but rather what it has become: special interest cohort A vs. special interest cohort B. Vanilla flavored capital vs. rainbow flavored capital.

Ordinary citizens have little reason to back either one, and, as was pointed out above, neither has much credibility when we're talking about "electoral integrity" in the properly democratic (not "Democratic") sense of the term.

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Posted by Your party doesn't serve "Electoral Integrity" either. on 07/13/2017 at 1:52 PM

Re: “The Skinny

Over confident because of vote fraud? Maybe they should matter.

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Posted by Vladimir Popov on 07/13/2017 at 1:45 PM

Re: “Political Punch

No attack. You shared info. I shared info. There's an estimated 260,000 hate crimes in this country annually as per a 2013 government study. You do the math if Trump hate is a real national problem.

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Posted by MB on 07/13/2017 at 1:11 PM

Re: “Danehy

I, too, have spoken with similar people. And I've heard one answer over and over. It's about abortion. One single voter issue that allows otherwise normal folks to go off the reservation. My problem is that they claim to be "pro life" but they are really only "pro birth" because, once the child is born, they don't want to feed, clothe, or educate the child. When that happens, the child grows up in poverty, joins a gang, and becomes "public enemy number one" to the very people who created them...

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Posted by Brad Jurkovac on 07/13/2017 at 1:09 PM

Re: “Political Punch

MB: Amren is a controversial site, but that doesn't mean its map is wrong. They provide links to news stories for all the anti-Trump supporter attacks they've documented. If you think they are lying about the attacks, say so and provide evidence. Just saying they are bad people is a lazy ad hominem attack.

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Posted by Nathan K on 07/13/2017 at 12:42 PM

Re: “Political Punch

As per Nathan K:

Who is American Renaissance?

American Renaissance (AR or AmRen) is a monthly online magazine described as a white supremacist publication by several sources, including The Washington Post, Fortune, and the Anti-Defamation League. It is published by the New Century Foundation, which describes itself as a "race-realist, white advocacy organization".

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Posted by MB on 07/13/2017 at 12:22 PM

Re: “Political Punch

Bryan, great article!
I notice in this photo that you and the person in the hooded outfit are the only two with your arms in the air. What was he saying that motivated you to appear to agree? What is their name? Have the two of you attended any other rallies?

https://www.google.com/search?q=bryan+sanders+occupy&tbm=isch&imgil=PTh3la6jlNtx1M%253A%253BazLT17DdJxEuKM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Ftucson.com%25252Fnews%25252Flocal%25252Fgovt-and-politics%25252Fman-arrested-in-connection-with-punch-at-trump-rally%25252Farticle_d614bc6e-ee2d-11e5-9486-835bb82d934f.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=PTh3la6jlNtx1M%253A%252CazLT17DdJxEuKM%252C_&usg=__41Jj8TCsNJz9ccLAE5bBOiNIEhA%3D&biw=1680&bih=925&ved=0ahUKEwi1hMr464bVAhXEqFQKHc4tCpoQyjcIPg&ei=4rVnWbWLC8TR0gLO26jQCQ#imgrc=jiFlSODDi0SB7M:

In the top right photo you can see the female security guard kept him from joining in the fight. Did you speak to the hooded person after the fight?

Here is an interesting article regarding this event, from the Left.

https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2016/03/20/about-that-protester-at-the-trump-rally-in-tucson-yesterday-real-leftist-says-bryan-sanders-is-a-jackass-and-a-tool/

And lastly, why do you want them to stop talking about Russia?

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Posted by Movie Goers We have a Fire on 07/13/2017 at 11:51 AM

Re: “The Weekly List: 11 Things To Do In Tucson In The Next 10 Days

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Posted by Engelbert Indo on 07/13/2017 at 11:28 AM

Re: “Mile-high bud

How do I get some

Posted by rosek3 on 07/13/2017 at 11:11 AM

Re: “There's Election Integrity, and Then There's Election Integrity

There are about 20M non-citizens of voting age in this country. We should probably figure out how many of those people are illegally voting in our elections. And frankly, there's more evidence of non-citizen voting than there is of voting machines being hacked to change the vote count. No, Diebold did not steal the 2000 election for George W. Bush.

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Posted by Nathan K on 07/13/2017 at 10:11 AM

Re: “Political Punch

Here is a map documenting almost 200 attacks on Trump supporters that have occurred over the last year. https://www.amren.com/news/2017/05/anti-tr…

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Posted by Nathan K on 07/13/2017 at 10:06 AM

Re: “Political Punch

Sure, Bryan might come across as a flyover wasteland version of Abbie Hoffman but he should be commended for any role he played in reducing the charges against Mr. Pettway. It was an egregious assault but considering all of the surrounding circumstances jail time seems silly. Maybe Bryan can get Mr. Pettway to join him in some community service, find a common cause that they can bond over. Friendships have been forged from stranger circumstances and it would send a great message to the nation!

Anyways, I appreciate your passion if not your politics. Don't stop being true to yourself and I hope you continue to move towards unification and cooperation, that is our only way out of this mess.

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Posted by HumanBean on 07/13/2017 at 9:40 AM

Re: “Double Drought

Interesting paradox on the continuing to the perils of schedule one and limiting interstate trade. ( CALL YOUR CONGRESS PERSON COMPLAIN) Washington has allowed for state to state trade have an abundant supply.

A curious thought how well does a stoner do at slots/craps/cards as apposed to a inebriated player ? I wonder if they pass out vap pens for players ?

Can grandma or the Asian do as well with infused brownies. I bet the buffet lines would be packed no longer free need for increase in size.

Ouch the porno industry would feel a huge impact. the male drunk bravado stiffened a little. Going from yea baby I want some of that, to come on sweetheart sit down and chill, awhile take a toke let's see if there's a vibe.

Will Casinos have a no use employment policy? Dealers and pit crew need to be tested ? I can just see the Blackjack dealer slowing down like that will happen. I love craps have done well and real bad too. Play to step up to the able side or rolling dont thinks so. I would rather stay in chill with the babes wine and cheese.

Now that I am thinking of it no pot why go to Vegas ? Yea think there is residual unestimated intended market shifts with legalization. Who is now in competition marketed compulsive behavior of Vegas. Gaming Entertainment Marriage, Indulgence markets are all down. Seems like as America is turning to self medication and the chaff are suffering from it.


So this is the culmination of MPP's success in Nevada. A huge " TO BE DETERMINED" (TBD). So now they have a existing state liquor board doing the administration of the market. Like all the other states that have legalized. First quarter sales and estimate projections transient population from gaming hard to estimate. Lets see how this plays out. It will be a lot better than having a state department with it's own court, unregulated police force with no warrant authority. Like Arizona's Orwellian prop 205 approach.

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Posted by Carpet Baggers on 07/13/2017 at 9:31 AM

Re: “Koch Bros. and ALEC Shout From the Rooftops: "Stop Rooftop Solar!"

[phone ring]
"Hello. Oh, hi John, what's going on?"

"Oh, running out of space on your batteries?"

"Sure, sure, I have space on mine, and I'll pay you for your excess. Sure, just bring the batteries over to my house later this evening, I'll swap 'em out with you for a couple of my empty batteries, and pay you what we usually pay each other. No need to involve the utility companies. Okay, see you then. Bye."

[CLICK]

Go to Hell, Koch.

Death to ALEC!!

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Posted by Agnostick on 07/13/2017 at 9:21 AM

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