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Re: “It's Going to Be an Education Election in Arizona

The never ending comments about "throwing more money at public education" fail, as the same commenters and legislators have no problem "throwing money" at for profit charters and private school vouchers.

18 likes, 8 dislikes
Posted by Frances Perkins on 12/08/2017 at 9:14 AM

Re: “The New, New Jim Crow

Thank you What, and well said I might add. I forgot to include the link. Let us also be mindful that they have banned Christian displays on campus. It appears to many that it is more than just an inconsistency.

We have watched the last four years or so where the IRS and FBI have targeted opponents of their agenda party, so all motives of the government must now be questioned.

Much of it is simply about buying votes with our money. That's why our roads are falling apart. Politics.

8 likes, 11 dislikes
Posted by Wayne Olson on 12/08/2017 at 9:05 AM

Re: “It's Going to Be an Education Election in Arizona

I just finished evaluating County teachers requests for $500 classroom mini-grants funded by a local foundation. I was shocked at what many were asking for. Chairs, Chrome books, books, paper and classroom supplies all of which should be funded by our schools. Those who say "money is not the problem" has their heads somewhere dark. Money is the problem since the legislature took school money back in 08 and used it to fund other stuff including tax cuts.
Lack of education funding is at the root of Arizona's school funding crisis. Make no mistake!

19 likes, 9 dislikes
Posted by Michael S. Ellegood on 12/08/2017 at 8:34 AM

Re: “The New, New Jim Crow

BPH: when they upgraded the Memorial Union at ASU, they added an interfaith prayer center and an ablution room where Muslim students can do ritual purification before prayer.
https://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2017/12/06/asu-interfaith-ablution-rooms-memorial-union-religious-practices/

Wayne Olson seems to be pointing out an inconsistency: if public funds can be used in a pubic institution to accommodate the needs of one faith group and this does not violate the separation of church and state, why can they not be used in other contexts to accommodate the needs of other groups?

Safier's post is about fair treatment of minorities, mainly African Americans, but also Hispanics and Muslims. The question of why some groups don't fall within the circle of Democratic policy concern is a valid one and it is directly related to Safier's post. Is the agenda defending only groups being targeted by Trump? Or is the agenda more consistent and whole cloth, one that assures fair treatment of all groups?

From the above-linked article:
"[A muslim student] said the fact that ASU recognizes Muslims on campus makes her feel valued. 'ASU is recognizing that theres Muslim students on campus, and they need a place like this, and that makes you feel important. That makes you feel like, Oh, they care, [the student] said. 'They actually notice that we need a place to pray and a place to make [ritual purification].'"

To include facilities like this for students in their schools is a form of compassion and affirmation. Religious belief is as much a part of who a student is as their native language and their customs. Too bad the Democratic Party recognizes the importance affirmation for some groups, but not for others. Their public policy actively blocks the ability of lower income Hispanic Roman Catholic students to access schools that accommodate and affirm their faith, and that is a fact.

10 likes, 11 dislikes
Posted by What is referenced at ASU on 12/08/2017 at 8:06 AM

Re: “It's Going to Be an Education Election in Arizona

Yes the issue is MONEY. If you are paying the teachers less money,(which Arizona is) the better teachers move to other states where their abilities are appreciated. and rewarded. Republicans, especially Arizona Republicans are as cheap as you can get when it comes to funding anything that benefits education. Their fear is that an educated public will not vote Republican which is true. You will not find many Republicans in the universities and colleges of higher learning because they don't have the brains for that kind of stuff.

22 likes, 10 dislikes
Posted by Beneal Good on 12/08/2017 at 6:41 AM

Re: “It's Going to Be an Education Election in Arizona

Spending more money does not create better outcomes in and of itself. It's just easy.
Illegal immigration (which sucks money from schools) and the economy (which funds the tax base) will likely be bigger issues.

5 likes, 22 dislikes
Posted by bslap on 12/08/2017 at 5:57 AM

Re: “Law and Disorder

Great acting and plot line. Incredibly unbelievable scenes. Cop in full uniform walks across the street, beats up guy, and then throws guy out of a window in the second story. Goes into the street and beats the guy. Then walks across the street to the police station where he works and resumes his day. The witnesses say nothing and the cops do nothing. Simply unbelievable. And the ending is AWFUL.

Posted by David Deibel on 12/07/2017 at 11:21 PM

Re: “The New, New Jim Crow

Wayne Olson, I can't imagine what you are talking about here, what relevance it has to either the article (oh forget talking about that!!!) or the conversation? Have you left out some reference to religion in your story that I don't know about? How does upgrading a Memorial Union (is that not a student union, like at the UA? What does it have to do with religion?) I don't concern myself with ASU, and I don't consider myself anti-faith. On pro public schools, you have it right. And, incidentally, I don't think that I even have "a whole agenda".

11 likes, 8 dislikes
Posted by Betts Putnam-Hidalgo on 12/07/2017 at 10:46 PM

Re: “Ed Sec Betsy DeVos on School Choice, College Costs

Ive asked myself why I keep commenting here. Ive been doing it for four years. It does get kind of tedious because David, clever and eloquent as he often is, tends to keep recycling the same themes.

I suppose I keep doing it because I really, REALLY would like to hear a good counter argument to the points I make, one that I might actually find convincing. Somehow you are a long winded fuck doesnt do it. And you are mentally ill doesnt do it either. Go back to ADI bitch certainly doesnt do it.

Guess Ill have to keep commenting in the hopes that one of these days, months, years, I might read something here that will persuade me there is such a thing as EFFECTIVE citizen advocacy in Southern Arizona and the public district system can actually be made to work here as well as it did in the blue state where I grew up.

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Posted by Still waiting to hear a persuasive argument... on 12/07/2017 at 9:57 PM

Re: “Danehy

Allen,
I've stolen nothing, from anyone.
By working stiff, I mean white working stiffs, black working stiffs, any working stiff that is not part of the corporate 1% wealthy that are often paying less income tax dollars than the rest of us. The rest of us whites, and other 99 percenters. Corporations in this country are generally made up of whites. There are exceptions, but show me. It's not about skin color at all. It's about the power to earn a buck, and keep a good percentage of that dollar. Baby president has made it so corporations regardless of their dominant color, are going to pay less in taxes than working stiffs, regardless of their color.
What about the Republican rant over the previous 8 years of the deficit? You don't hear any Republican ranting about the deficit that this tax "plan" will bring. I don't believe the Republicans are the only cocksuckers in the lobby's pockets, the Democrats are equally repugnant.

12 likes, 3 dislikes
Posted by ronko on 12/07/2017 at 8:49 PM

Re: “Danehy

I knew it. Sooner or later it is about skin color. How sad that you steal from hard working successful non whites the ability to take personal credits for their accomplishments.

3 likes, 12 dislikes
Posted by Allen N on 12/07/2017 at 8:20 PM

Re: “Mindful Minimalism

Yes, Mr Gandy, politics has become viral, a bacteria, a cancer on our culture. Yet there is a need for some type of governance. We must look out for the underdog. Regulations are necessary for clean air and water, and other basic needs like homeland security, and something as basic as garbage pick up. What ever happened to the notion of term limits? Why do we let the lobby's influence dominate? Why do corporations get what they want when a working stiff, works harder if he/she has a job, for less? And his/her taxes are about to increase, while their salaries or hourly wages will not increase.
....A new system has to be investigated. This country is becoming a resort for the 1%, white elite.
I am dreaming, I know, but it's time to clean the slate, and start over so that the other 99% can get theirs.

1 like, 1 dislike
Posted by ronko on 12/07/2017 at 8:14 PM

Re: “XOXO...

I am super excited about the rocket boosters youll be adding to the Weeklys music coverage. You could write the phone book (the what?) and Id read it!!

Posted by Linda Ray 64 on 12/07/2017 at 7:33 PM

Re: “Danehy

Yes, Mr Gandy, politics has become viral, a bacteria, a cancer on our culture. Yet there is a need for some type of governance. We must look out for the underdog. Regulations are necessary for clean air and water, and other basic needs like homeland security, and something as basic as garbage pick up. What ever happened to the notion of term limits? Why do we let the lobby's influence dominate? Why do corporations get what they want when a working stiff, works harder if he/she has a job, for less? And his/her taxes are about to increase, while their salaries or hourly wages will not increase.
....A new system has to be investigated. This country is becoming a resort for the 1%, white elite.
I am dreaming, I know, but it's time to clean the slate, and start over so that the other 99% can get theirs.

13 likes, 3 dislikes
Posted by ronko on 12/07/2017 at 6:44 PM

Re: “Student Housing Shakedown

I remember the dumps I lived in in college, the roach-ridden, floor sagging, stinking houses built in the 1920 that were rented to students for exorbitant prices. The plumbing was horrible, the kitchens worse, the bathrooms a place you didn't want to ever go.

This was in Texas, but the slum lords were the same quality. I would have given anything to have been able to live in housing like Goodman is building. And "destroying neighborhoods?" Give me a break. These are not neighborhoods of old friends and neighbors. They are slums for students.

10 likes, 10 dislikes
Posted by William Gandy on 12/07/2017 at 5:29 PM

Re: “Danehy

Politics is a virus that attacks everyone who engages in it. It attacks the patient's integrity, ethics, and morality genes and destroys them, replacing them with an insatiable hunger for money and power. Its reservoirs are House and Senate chambers, Governors' offices, Regulatory agency Administrators' offices, and so forth. After infection, which can happen even before the politician takes the oath of office, there is a short period of incubation during which the patient expresses what will be the last expressions of integrity, humanity, and reason every to exit his or her mouth.

After the disease is in full progress, signs and symptoms appear such as serial lying, truth-bending, an insatiable lust for money and those who have it and want to control politics, complete loss of conscience, abandonment of common sense, the inability to feel empathy for those with less money than their donors, and myriad other signs and symptoms.

The only cure is removal from office.

14 likes, 0 dislikes
Posted by William Gandy on 12/07/2017 at 5:21 PM

Re: “Ed Sec Betsy DeVos on School Choice, College Costs

That's amusing.

You are calling me a troll?

So, now I am the person who attacks Mr. Safier anytime he posts something?

Trolling is as trolling does.

Learn what a troll is, what they do and what they're all about... before you leave enough commentary to cover the article posted and then some.

Go back to ADI bitch. They love people like you.

14 likes, 9 dislikes
Posted by Reply to the real troll on 12/07/2017 at 5:06 PM

Re: “Student Housing Shakedown

"Former state lawmaker Demion Clinco, now serving as executive director of the Tucson Historic Preservation Foundation, said that the developers are not from Tucson and their project would take income away from locals who rent to students. His comments were met with emphatic applause."

This is hilarious. Why exactly should students have to subsidize slum lords who are happy to leave there asbestos filled, swamp cooled blight in a perpetual state of neglect? Maybe this will force them to lower prices or improve there homes.

Sorry, but this is the kind of development that we need. Its in a high density, walk-able area close to UA. Tucson is a city of million people not a glorified retirement community and its time we start acting like it.

6 likes, 13 dislikes
Posted by magro on 12/07/2017 at 4:19 PM

Re: “Danehy

Are you serious ??

6 likes, 17 dislikes
Posted by CW13 on 12/07/2017 at 3:19 PM

Re: “It's Going to Be an Education Election in Arizona

I wish that what you wrote about was education. But let's be honest. You write about money. Money and hatred of those in power that control the money. Money is not the major problem in the public schools. Why not find out what the problem is and write about that? Lord knows we have spent literally tons of money, and it has gotten worse.

18 likes, 27 dislikes
Posted by Let's Be Honest on 12/07/2017 at 2:15 PM

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