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Re: “I Infantilize High School Students and Have Little Faith in the Intelligence of High School Teachers? Who Knew? (Certainly Not Me)

You were certainly attacked, but it was opportunistic rather than personal. McKenna's paragraph (that you excerpted) was polemical, notas he claimedobservational. It was a deliberate and deliberately contrived attempt to plant the notion that opposing his agenda was disrespectful to his targets.

It is a common dirty-politics technique, attempted regularly by other right wing pundits and tent preachers to push and promote entirely made-up things, simply for profit. And while it sometimes works, the technique itself is rooted in a disrespect of the listener's ability to see through it.

It doesn't really seem to be working this time.

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Posted by Jimmy Zuma on 11/03/2017 at 6:51 PM

Re: “I Infantilize High School Students and Have Little Faith in the Intelligence of High School Teachers? Who Knew? (Certainly Not Me)

How about we have the ECON department rather than the PHILOSOPHY dept teach econ??

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Posted by Dianne Horgan on 11/03/2017 at 4:30 PM

Re: “Guest Opinion

Dr. McKenna is correct in noting that not all folks associated with the Freedom Center are libertarians. The problem, however, is that 100% of those involved with the high school economics course are. And they are eager to push their political agenda onto young students. Thats right out of the Koch/Kendrick playbook. Dave Schmidtz and his wife Cathleen Johnson control this course as well as the 3 graduate courses to train teachers. Dr. Johnson is not a regular faculty member hired through an open search requiring support across the whole department. Rather she is staff hired by her husband. My issue is that Schmidtz alone controls this course and hes teaching it from a slanted perspective. While hes a good philosopher (his PhD is in philosophy not Economics), the UA has a large number of actual PhDs in Economics. Our history department teaches history, our math department teacher math. Why is the Philosophy Department and now the Department of Moral Science teaching intro economics to high school students? The answer is simple: if the Econ department did, they would ensure a balanced approach and people from multiple perspectives would be involved. By allowing one personSchmidtzto control the course, only his perspective is presented. As McKenna says the course and the textbook lean in a direction favorable to libertarians and others who are right-leaning. See https://thebaffler.com/latest/the-handmaiden-of-entrepreneurship for a review of the text used in the class. Im happy to have the libertarian perspective included in a survey course, but intro economics needs to focus on mainstream economic ideas from multiple perspectives. It should be neither right nor left wing. Lets leave the teaching of economics to the Economics Department.

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Posted by Dianne Horgan on 11/03/2017 at 4:12 PM

Re: “'Arizonans United for Health Care' Wants You to Know, Healthcare Signups Begin Nov. 1, and You Can Get Help With Your Application

Thanks to the commenter who said I got the date wrong in the headline. A few people pointed it out to me. My error, my apologies. The date has been corrected to November 1.

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Posted by David Safier on 11/03/2017 at 9:50 AM

Re: “The Koch Brothers Are Spending Money To Make Arizona's Education More To Their Liking

Part of the solution, Betts Putnam-Hidalgo, is to make sure that public funds are granted only when public standards of transparency and proper process are met. Job #1 for supporters of the public sector is to educate the public about what public means and what kinds of protections are absent when privatization as practiced in Arizona and other Koch-influenced States happens.

Who is doing that? And who is effectively holding our public institutions accountable for living up to the ideals of transparency and proper process they are supposed to embody? If they dont provide a genuine contrast to the private sector in how they operate, they are effectively undermining their own case for support.

In venues like this, there is a lot of attention paid to criticizing the operations of the private sector, an easy target and stock villain, and too little paid to ensuring the public sector functions properly and doesnt deteriorate into something constituents have good reason to want to escape, much harder to do. Take Safiers critique of the Koch support for making ESAs more broadly available. Bottom line is if the public schools in some neighborhoods are in fact having serious problems functioning, you are not improving the overall quality of education in this region if you block exit from those institutions by ensuring public per-pupil funding cannot be transferred out with students who want to exit. It would have been better if these public schools had not been allowed to deteriorate. It would be better if the schools into which students are transferring were held to public standards of transparency and proper process, but thats not the lay of the land. And we are here in part because there wasnt enough effective citizen education to help people understand what public means and why its important and there wasnt enough and still isnt enough citizen advocacy to keep the governance and administration of large public school districts on track.

There is no easy solution to the current problems in this region and whatever solutions there may be cant be put together on a purely ideological level. They have to be built from the ground up, working directly with troubled institutions that dont conform to our ideas of what they theoretically should be.

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Posted by No easy or ideologically pure solution to current problems on 11/03/2017 at 9:36 AM

Re: “Quick Bites: Maize, Murder Mysteries and Meatballs

Women who have 3 alcoholic drinks per week are 15% more likely to develop breast cancer. Cool event /s

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Posted by HumanBean on 11/03/2017 at 9:36 AM

Re: “The Koch Brothers Are Spending Money To Make Arizona's Education More To Their Liking

Public schools have rotted to the core. And that is not the fault of the Koch Bros.

These kids don't know the pledge, they have never studied the US Constitution, they believe the world's climate is actually heating rapidly, and are taught that government is the solution to everything. And the rich ought to pay for all their needs

Watch how those snake oil salesman try to hang onto their power. This is exactly why Trump won. Along with the fact that the Democrats let Hillary lie and cheat some more.

Let parents choose. All poor parents are not stupid. The left just uses them for their bidding.

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Posted by Wayne Olson on 11/03/2017 at 9:31 AM

Re: “Kirkpatrick Wins EMILY's List Nod in Race Against U.S. Rep. McSally

I would strongly encourage Ann to make a change and run for Jeff Flake's Senate seat. She would be opposing Kyrsten Sinema in the primary election. Kyrsten Sinema is lacking in accomplishments and was for restoring the Glass-Steagall Act before she was on the Financial Services Committee. The Financial Services Committee is widely known as the Whore House of the US House of Representatives. Once in the Financial Services Committee, Sinema quickly rolled over and joined with her fellow committee member, Republican David Schweikert and refused to support the Glass-Steagall Legislation.
Kirsten Sinema's lame excuse for not co-sponsoring was that she only co-sponsors legislation that she knows will pass. Is she the kind of person that we would want to represent the state of Arizona. One who only supports legislation that she knows will pass because to do otherwise would affect her statistics?
Ann Kirkpatrick was a co-sponsor of Glass-Steagall while she was in Congress. If we want to make America Great Again, we have to first understand what made America Great in the first place. We can do that by looking at the policies of FDR and JFK and return control of the currency to the Hamiltonian Banking System. We need to abandon the current system wherein usury for the benefit of the financial elite is the rule and the former system of building infrastructure for the benefit of the "Common Good" has been abandoned.
Many may think that Donald Trump is a slow moving train wreck and a broken clock. But even a broken clock is right twice a day. We need to take the initiative and use the opportunities to put forth our policies. Trump has stated that he is for Restoring the Glass-Steagall Act. Let's make that our first step in implementing our initiatives. An outline of those proposed policies is in the following Youtube video. https://youtu.be/4ajdrW-m01I

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Posted by HR129orDie on 11/03/2017 at 8:56 AM

Re: “The Koch Brothers Are Spending Money To Make Arizona's Education More To Their Liking

Actually bslap, who can always be counted on, like a metronome, to represent a small faction of the lunatic right, you are incorrect. With vouchers only those of you who can ALMOST afford private schools will now be able to afford them....because the vouchers don't actually help people who can't afford any of the cost themselves--that would be actually helping the poor, and that is not, NOT, what the game is about.

And yes, public institutions need to be held accountable, but that is certainly not to say that private ones are any better. In fact, thats the oldest capitalist myth in the world-the myth that says privatization works. It works for the few, and if you are one of the few or that is where your priorities lie than that is enough and you have really swallowed the individualistic rhetoric well. But if your priorities lie in the direction of the many, there is ample AMPLE evidence that privatizing water (think Flint), health care (think US with its millions of people who haven't been able to partake), education (think Detroit or New Orleans with some of the worst schools in the country--oh but they're CHARTERS so they must be great? NOT) does not help the many....and the fact that there are exceptions to the rule does not change the rule.

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Posted by Betts Putnam-Hidalgo on 11/03/2017 at 8:23 AM

Re: “The Koch Brothers Are Spending Money To Make Arizona's Education More To Their Liking

Money Talks, Bullshit walks. By privatizing all of Public Education , guess what. Kiss the National Education Association goodbye and job security for millions goes out the window. The Koch brothers and the Republicans don't give a damn about the quality of education our children get ,all they want to do is remove any job security that the Teachers Union offers . By removing the Teachers Union it's easier to keep pay low by demanding teaching standards that are impossible to achieve so that teachers can be fired, demoted, or not given pay increases so they will leave on their own. If you ever fall into the delusion that a Republican is doing something to improve your situation you can bet your ass that they have found a backdoor way to destroy you and everything you hold dear. Most Americans are so easily duped and deceived because most of them think their opinions are more important than facts. If you ever took the time to read about the Koch family you would have a better understanding of how they manipulate, cheat, lie and steal at every opportunity. When they do anything good for the public it's to distract from their deceptions. Money doesn't make you compassionate and it doesn't make you intelligent but it will help you give the illusion that you possess those wonderful attributes and there you have the Kochs in a nutshell. Currently Arizona has a teacher shortage so the Republicans in Phoenix have decided to make it easier for an unqualified person to take a teaching job so they can continue with the divide and destroy tactics to reach their goal of complete control. If you ever take the time to study our political situation you will find that Republicans rarely do anything for the 99% and they do not know how to govern. All they can do is control by force. They do not have the mental faculties to govern and it's much easier to control.

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Posted by Beneal Good on 11/03/2017 at 7:56 AM

Re: “Quick Bites: Frightnin' Feasts

Love the Tucson Weekly - a fabulous, free guide to everything that's going on in Tucson!

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Posted by Jeff Bilkanich on 11/03/2017 at 7:48 AM

Re: “The Koch Brothers Are Spending Money To Make Arizona's Education More To Their Liking

Thank goodness for this movement. Otherwise all of us who can't afford private schools would be stuck with the local mediocre overcrowded, politically correct public school.

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Posted by bslap on 11/03/2017 at 7:23 AM

Re: “The Koch Brothers Are Spending Money To Make Arizona's Education More To Their Liking

Hey, David -- Did you ever consider rigorously assessing the merits of a given proposal, rather than trying to defeat it just by attaching the "BAD-GUY-KOCH-FUNDED" label to it?

In order to understand what happened with Trump's election, you need to understand the fallout from 2008 and the activities of the Clintons and the DNC.

In order to understand how the so-called "privatization" agenda has gained strength, you need to know what happens with political machines and some of our larger urban public school districts. To combat the privatization agenda, you need to be prepared to object to the adoption of politically tendentious curricula in public school districts whether they originate from the left or from the right. You need to support transparent public process relentlessly and uniformly.

In order to know why people object to 204, you need to examine what has happened to desegregation funds in TUSD. Just because a given funding allocation seems a good idea on the theoretical "social justice" level does not mean local institutions and networks are prepared to implement it in such a way that it can actually achieve the intended benefit for the targeted populations.

Real good is achieved at the ground level, by examining what is actually happening in the schools, not by moving your theoretical-philosophical chess pieces around on an abstract "Koch-brother-bad-guy" - "public-institution-always-good-guy" chess board.

If the public sector loses in the current struggles, it will be because no one remembered what it was supposed to be and stood up effectively and publicly to ask it to BE THAT. It will not be because the Kochs and those like them have billions of dollars.

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Posted by Defend the public sector by asking it to be what it should. on 11/02/2017 at 7:21 PM

Re: “The Koch Brothers Are Spending Money To Make Arizona's Education More To Their Liking

Might "their liking" be effective education? Education that actually prepares a young person for the real world? Unlike the socialist pap being taught in TUSD today.

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Posted by Was a Teacher on 11/02/2017 at 4:37 PM

Re: “'Arizonans United for Health Care' Wants You to Know, Healthcare Signups Begin Nov. 1, and You Can Get Help With Your Application

As a nation, we desperately need to move beyond lying, cheating, back room deals, and undermining the democratic process. Trump is one problem, but the Dems need to face the fact that since the Clintons pushed and weaseled their way into power, the "Democratic" party has made itself a very, VERY large part of the problem with the political process in America:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774

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Posted by The Dems are not much better than the alternative. on 11/02/2017 at 12:20 PM

Re: “Guest Opinion

Steve, you started your political life with a lie and then you have hidden behind the shirttails of all the old tired Tucson Demorats raising taxes at every chance you could get. You've help build monorails that run empty to nowhere, an expensive downtown that no citizens other that the rich, out of town visitors, or ignorant UofA students want to go to. You've promised street repairs which never happen and demanded we give up our 2nd amendment rights, and you've even defied State Laws for you pet peeves. You only represent those that have twisted liberal views such as your and you have never in your life been a conservative. You are just another ignorant tax and spend twit. Let some with big boy pants step and turn the horrendous city government around.

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Posted by VetnamVet2 on 11/02/2017 at 11:24 AM

Re: “Trump's Childcare Plan Is As Phony as the Rest of His Proposals

It's a year later and Jim, you have been proven 100% correct. Yet another lie from our Commander-in-Blather Trump. The trolls were wrong, you were right. The world still turns. And it's round.

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Posted by Jake on 11/02/2017 at 10:55 AM

Re: “Guest Opinion

...and the Templeton Foundation is a conduit through which the Koch brothers route money to schools so they will teach the children that the EPA is bad for the environment, and that sweatshops are good for 3rd graders.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_pol…

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Posted by Jeffrey Patten on 11/02/2017 at 10:36 AM

Re: “The Skinny

Just like his daddy told him, "once a flake, always a flake."

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Posted by Wayne Olson on 11/02/2017 at 9:23 AM

Re: “Guest Opinion

Conscience dictates that one would be more horrified by the continuation of promoting liberal progressive ideology that is failing in every aspect of society. Instead of screaming "Koch Bros, Koch Bros", try doing some thinking on your own. And learn to accept the fact that the poor will never run the country. No matter how much you cry about it.

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Posted by Wayne Olson on 11/02/2017 at 9:21 AM

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