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Re: “A UA Prof Chimes In on the 'Freedom Center'

Dianne, can I assume that you're also opposed to MAS because it lacks intellectual diversity?

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Posted by Nathan K on 11/13/2017 at 10:48 AM

Re: “A UA Prof Chimes In on the 'Freedom Center'

Introducing high school students to the field of economics using a fringe slice of economic ideas as the correct perspective on complex issues is not education, it is indoctrination, plain and simple. Balance does not arise from indoctrination. Why not a survey course grounded in economic pluralism--the full spectrum of economic thought? One of the key threats to our democracy is the unprecedented concentration of wealth and income. Libertarians have nothing useful to offer this challenge but a narrow ideological justification to continue fueling the fire, funded and delivered by those whose narrow self-interest is served.

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Posted by Tom Rhodes on 11/13/2017 at 7:34 AM

Re: “The Weekly Take: DeAndre Ayton leads Arizona into tonight's season opener against NAU

Enough with the use of freak??? What century are you from? That young man is somebody's child!

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Posted by Marvis Williams Sylvers on 11/13/2017 at 5:27 AM

Re: “A UA Prof Chimes In on the 'Freedom Center'

Do really want to be a state where high school students have a constitutional right to "raza studies", but Friedman and Hayek incite a book burning panic? Trust me, if you're a baja AZ progressive, libertarianism should be the least of your worries. Wait till the kids start passing around Evola, Spengler and (UA alum) Yockey under the bleachers after class.

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Posted by Nathan K on 11/12/2017 at 10:08 PM

Re: “A UA Prof Chimes In on the 'Freedom Center'

Eisenhower became President of Columbia after using his diplomatic skills to chart victory in Europe. He had a vision of facilitating intellectual and research pursuits. He came out saying all a college President did was grub for money fulltime. Now most universities do the same thing, who#es for money. Football games are 4 hours long at midnight grubbing for TV money. Even coal waste pile money is acceptable in the pursuit of libertarian, corporate dictatorships. Of course objective research on societal effects of Ayn Randism is impossible in the Freedom Academy.

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Posted by Frances Perkins on 11/12/2017 at 7:46 PM

Re: “A UA Prof Chimes In on the 'Freedom Center'

Yeah that general welfare thinggee is working out just fine isn't it?

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Posted by Jonathon K on 11/12/2017 at 6:38 AM

Re: “A UA Prof Chimes In on the 'Freedom Center'

If pushed to the limit, libertarianism is autocracy. The Koch's philosophy of greed is convincing Americans to dispense with a government that promotes the general welfare of its people and replace it with one that re-establishes feudalism. Their self-indulgent excuses for greed are taking over educational institutions across the country, from Arizona to FSU to GMU and many points in between. I'm sorry but not surprised to learn that they have infected UA like they have my own UVA.

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Posted by poddar1 on 11/12/2017 at 5:45 AM

Re: “A UA Prof Chimes In on the 'Freedom Center'

Intellectual diversity is a good thing. UA's Economics dept includes liberals, conservatives,and libertarians. Let's have that dept rather than the Philosophy dept teach high school economics. The Phil 101 course is problematic because it lacks intellectual diversity. And for many students it will be their only exposure to economics. Don't they deserve to hear the range of viewpoints in contemporary economics? Instead students are being given only the Koch view.

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Posted by Dianne Horgan on 11/11/2017 at 8:28 PM

Re: “A UA Prof Chimes In on the 'Freedom Center'

Let's review again. How did the Koch brothers become involved in public policy? In the 1930's their father went to Russia to help them build refineries with the very latest technology and efficiency. As he worked there he formed friendships with many communists and then three events happened - first he observed the 80% collapse of economic production under communism and its horrific impact on ordinary families, then he observed the purges, first his friends being expelled from the communist party and their loss of jobs and then their murders.

Then, he was assigned a "handler" who laid out in detail their plans to do the same thing in the United States. They had to murder millions to gain acceptance of their hateful system in Russia and they were planning to do the same thing in the United States all the way until Reagan's economic results and star wars program convinced them that communism was irretrievably inferior to capitalism and they gave up.

The ultimate irony is that Koch industries is set up under a communistic system, a healthy positive one, not the hateful thing that Marx designed. In Koch industries, supervisors and managers are regarded as servants and evaluated by their subordinates. They also view their companies as servants to their customers measuring customer satisfaction with every single service and product.

Their intellectual approach works, over 100,000 people have chosen to work for them, one of the 50 largest empires in the United States.

By comparison, our university system is a totally corrupt arteriosclerotic pile of dung and the University of Arizona represents the worst of it. They can't even comprehend that their students are their customers- they totally reject measuring the percentage of students rating their education excellent, a number less than 25%, the typical university student shows no cognitive gains after two years of college and there is no evidence that the UofA is any better.

The idea that professors would evaluate Deans would never be considered. The idea that the presidents would be rewarded for the percentage of students rating their education incredibly great would be regarded as completely culturally bizarre.

No wonder that they panic at the idea that this little breath of fresh air and innovations, Koch centers would enter their intellectually corrupt and sclerotic establishment.

Time for another enlightenment.

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Posted by jhuppent@hotmail.com on 11/11/2017 at 8:10 AM

Re: “Prop. 204: Planting Preschools in Daycare Deserts

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Posted by Fernand carron on 11/11/2017 at 5:48 AM

Re: “The Weekly Tate: Khalil Tate and Arizona Chomping at the Bit to Host Oregon State

The University of Arizona now wants to sell Alcohol at the McKale Center and the Arizona Stadium; yet another example of the focus of this "University"; ($$$$$) and a complete disregard for the Health and Safety of those on Campus during these University sponsored Bacchanalias; as well as those Driving from these Bacchanalias "under the influence". It will also encourage the use of Alcohol by under age Students.

For Health and Saftey reasons these efforts to obtain Licenses for the Sale of Alcohol should be rejected!!! The Faculty Senate at the UofA must weight in on this issue and the current situation in the UofA Athletic Program.

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Posted by Francis Saitta on 11/11/2017 at 5:47 AM

Re: “The Weekly Take: DeAndre Ayton leads Arizona into tonight's season opener against NAU

The Athletic Program at the University of Arizona, as with other Universities in this Country, creates the environment for Corruption that we are currently witnessing. This is Big Business!!... providing millions of dollars for the University and, as well, are Feeder Programs for Professional Sports. The Athletic Programs, as such, must be Dismantled and Restructured.

The University, Board of Regents and University Administration, kowtows to Alumni that support the Athletic Programs as they current exist. Why?...the $$$$$ that the "donate"....and...their Identity as a Person is inextricably linked to these Athletic Programs providing an opportunity to participate in Home Game "tailgating"...a euphemism for a University sponsored Bacchanalia!

It remain to be seen, if the new UofA President, Dr. Bobby Robins, has the Interest, Courage, and Clout to Dismantle and Restructure the Athletic Program. The University is First and Foremost an Academic Institution...NOT a Feeder Institution for Professional Sports!!!

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Posted by Francis Saitta on 11/11/2017 at 5:39 AM

Re: “A UA Prof Chimes In on the 'Freedom Center'

But that is not what you do when you hate your country's economic organization and your goal is to overthrow it with socialism, because you believe you can make life fair for the less committed under achievers.

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Posted by Wayne Olson on 11/10/2017 at 2:45 PM

Re: “Koch Brothers Infiltrate Pima County Schools With a High School Econ Course

it is the political comments here, limiting what high school students should be exposed to, that contribute to declining enrollment in TUSD, substandard teacher compensation, and the rest of the issues whined about. If exposure to a non PC class funded by the right is the most difficult thing a student has to deal with...you have no idea.... This has been talked about for ever and our school system keeps getting worse. New dialogue, new leadership, new commitment, less control.
But what do I know, I could be wrong.

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Posted by laddderflappy on 11/10/2017 at 1:33 PM

Re: “A UA Prof Chimes In on the 'Freedom Center'

I fail to see why some intellectual diversity in University social science departments can possibly be a bad thing, no matter where the funding come from. AEI asserts that 18% of social science professors are self-identified Marxists, nation wide. See https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7678. Surely there's room for some milquetoast libertarians to balance things out.

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Posted by Nathan K on 11/10/2017 at 1:06 PM

Re: “Democrats Luckier Than Education in 2017 City-Wide Elections

Maybe he was talking about Groucho (with a G)

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Posted by John Pulley on 11/10/2017 at 12:25 PM

Re: “The Koch Brothers Are Spending Money To Make Arizona's Education More To Their Liking

That sounds a lot like the conservative frauds they call Trump and his senseless climate change denying supporters, you know, people such as Wayne Olson.

Way to go Wayne! Now that Ratt and Wrong, Again haven't posted using those names for quite some time...are you vying for their lowly troll status?

It seems to me that you are definitely picking up that mantle. Too bad that you aren't investing your free time more wisely.

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Posted by AZ/DC! on 11/10/2017 at 8:59 AM

Re: “Local Rappers Join Murs' New Record Label

MURS!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJyzBBDbgIc

Posted by LEVITZ **CometKid** on 11/09/2017 at 11:47 PM

Re: “State Grades Are All About the A's and F's

Response to Francis
"....Most education leaders know you have to protect your teachers from unhealthy feedback and focus on human perception of quality. Good teachers and good principals know the relative performance of all their teachers...." Completely Meaningless!!!

Completely Meaningless? Perhaps, but perhaps not. Nationwide, 24% of parents rate their child's school quality an "A" (Gallup poll, Aug 2015)

But, some schools have over 80% of their parents giving them an "A" rating and others are at zero.
The parent rating covers reading and math but also a thousand other things.

Less than 30% of Tucson Unified parents gave them an "A" rating last I looked. 75% of Chandler Unified parents gave them an "A" rating.

There is a difference. Maybe that's why Chandler's bond election passed 64% to 36% and Tucson Unified's failed by 59 to 41%.

Chandler doesn't sacrifice anything on academic gains by holding themselves accountable on parent measures, in fact, they gain. Their academic gains are well above the 50th percentile.

The parent measure also offers a different path to improving academic gains, a partnership with parents, not just looking at students like milk cows.

Plus it creates an overall healthier environment for schools where you value all teachers, history, science, PE, the arts and all subjects equally.

I know both sides of this equation. I was the legislator who brought letter grades and performance pay to Arizona.

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Posted by jhuppent@hotmail.com on 11/09/2017 at 5:15 PM

Re: “The Saga of Three Points

I live in Three Points. It's a town of very open and friendly people. People socialize, ride their horses down the roads, their 4 wheelers, their 4x4's. They hunt, they drink beer, they enjoy their days. It's not as bad as this article makes it sound.

Posted by Jennifer Lane on 11/09/2017 at 3:32 PM

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