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Re: “Do Arizona Republicans Want to (a) Dismantle; (b) Damage; (c) Degrade; and/or (d) Devalue Public Education?

"Parents cannot afford to drive their kids to better schools....."

I seem to remember something about busing kids to achieve racial integration. Then we dreamed up magnet schools based on proportionate racial improvements. But neither government nor public schools were effective at achieving a satisfactory outcome.

The only thing left to do is cut funding to the upper income area schools and fund the lower income schools at 150% of normal expenses. Then we can see how effective money can be in leveling the playing field. Would it increase success rates at the bottom or decrease success rates at the top?

I guess it begs the question, "can we only accomplish social engineering rather than providing a quality learning experience?" And then, "should public schools try to accomplish both?"

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Posted by Public Ed Is So Broken on 05/10/2017 at 11:27 AM

Re: “Got a Bachelor's Degree? There May Be a Public School Teaching Job Waiting For You.

The MVD I use in Pima County is not working well. It seems to have some of the same problems TUSD does with inefficiency and inadequately instructed staff.

Part of good government has to do with OVERSIGHT and STANDARDS. You don't get good government by slashing budgets and deregulating. A free-for-all, unsurprisingly, does not protect constituents from abuse. State level leaders cut funds, peel back regulation, and don't even bother to enforce the constituent-protective laws that remain on the books.

Arizona is going to hell in a hand basket and all we get from those responsible is self-congratulation and "data" that is supposed to prove that we are living in the best of all possible worlds, when in fact we can see from our direct experience that many functions government should perform are disappearing or being degraded through mismanagement to the point where they might as well have disappeared.

Will the next election solve our problems? Seems unlikely when the choice is between more-of-same Phoenix Republicans and those affiliated with our Southern Arizona Democratic dysfunctions.


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Posted by Arizona Going to Hell in a Handbasket on 05/10/2017 at 9:57 AM

Re: “Southwest East Coast

Heck yeah! Congrats Marcos!!! See you soon!!!!

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Posted by Michael DjBignut Lopez on 05/10/2017 at 5:09 AM

Re: “Do Arizona Republicans Want to (a) Dismantle; (b) Damage; (c) Degrade; and/or (d) Devalue Public Education?

I have to laugh when I see school districts that have had to go to home owners for funding, that are held up as a "See, they're doing well without high state funding". That is smoke and mirrors by supporters of Ducey's efforts to kill public education. Vail is doing well because over and over, the voters in the district have voted to approve school bonds and school overrides. The district is making up for the lack of state funding on the backs of homeowners who value a quality public education. Kids who live in poor school districts don't have the luxury to do this. Before you give me the school choice bullshit, those parents cannot afford to drive their kid to the better school district on the other side of town so they're left in the lousy districts.

We are last in the nation in education funding. We are last in the nation in teacher's salaries and we are ranked 45th in the nation in education performance. Those stats can all easily be found on the web. No smoke and mirrors, just the reality of a state government that doesn't give a damn about the education of our children unless their parents are filthy rich.

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Posted by Commshooter on 05/10/2017 at 1:12 AM

Re: “McSally Declines To Take a Stand on Zombie Trumpcare

McSally is exactly who she was in the military. She never cared about the personnel outside of her inner circle (pilots). In fact, she pitched a fit in Afghanistan in 2005 when the morale hut computers were upgraded so that the people maintaining their A-10's, could communicate with their families back home. Her pilots had an unauthorized private morale area just for the pilots. Any efforts to provide reliable communications for others was opposed by her. That included her going to the group commander and pitching a fit over the replacement of old, unreliable computer systems. That was a battle she lost. She should have wanted those maintainers morale to be high and have reliable communications back home so they could focus on the job at hand. She didn't give a damn. Fortunately, we did and so did our leadership.

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Posted by Commshooter on 05/10/2017 at 1:01 AM

Re: “Got a Bachelor's Degree? There May Be a Public School Teaching Job Waiting For You.

John, the irony in your comment is that the MVD never worked better than when Phoenix car dealer Ev Mecham was Governor. As soon as the democrats regained power, it fell into total disarray.

And that is so hard for the public to hear.

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Posted by History Repeats Itself on 05/09/2017 at 5:00 PM

Re: “Got a Bachelor's Degree? There May Be a Public School Teaching Job Waiting For You.

Response to R's and D's get it wrong.

I just completely disagree. Two weeks ago, I had to go to MVD to get a new Title to a truck I was selling. While I was in the legislature, I put in untold hours working to get better MVD service. Eventually, we got it down to an average wait time of less than 20 minutes. We put in comprehensive systems to improve service and speed. Not bad, when I first visited MVD offices in 1993, there were people in there with sleeping bags. Average wait time - 3 hours.

I was dreading going for two reasons, I didn't want to witness the degradation I was certain I was going to observe. MVD has suffered 10 consecutive budget cuts.

It was a stunning surprise. The office had put in a new wrinkle. When I came into MVD, there was a "cart girl." She had every form a person could possibly need. She was also able to check as to whether a person had all their paperwork in order.

From the time my hand hit the door to open till the door closed behind me - 16 minutes. The customer focus was palpable. It actually added value to my day everyone was so pleasant.

Who would have dreamed it? MVD - Motor Vehicle Department.

A friend of mine had just come back from New York. You know Nirvana for the liberals who inhabit this blog. She took a disabled friend of hers to MVD in New York. What she described was exactly what I observed in 1992 in Arizona. After waiting 3 hours, she demand special consideration based on the disabled status of her friend and got it. Before leaving, she witnessed one poor soul cursing the employees after having been sent from MVD to Social Security to MVD back to Social Security each time having waited 3 to 5 hours and still not having his issue involved.

Governor Ducey takes pride in working toward excellent service. He actually cares about it, MVD is living proof of it. You just don't need to have expensive government to have effective government, MVD is proof.

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Posted by on 05/09/2017 at 4:41 PM

Re: “Got a Bachelor's Degree? There May Be a Public School Teaching Job Waiting For You.

What is needed is GOOD government: neither too small nor too big, efficient, effectively serving the common good, ensuring high quality service delivery, and protecting citizens from abuse.

Unfortunately, in this state the Rs seem to want NO government, and the Ds seem to want to continue excusing BAD government. We have no broad-based, widely recognized political party or advocacy group focused on exercising the citizenship oversight and public participation skills necessary to keep government institutions honest and responsive.

More's the pity.

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Posted by In AZ, both the Rs and the Ds get it wrong. on 05/09/2017 at 3:03 PM

Re: “AP: McSally Urges Colleagues To Vote for This 'Fucking Thing,' aka Zombie Trumpcare

Prehaps Abbie G should engage in some critical thinking herself before she accuses people of having kneejerk reactions due to a lack of comphrension about actions of Republican congressmen. I was well aware of the original provision that her link concerns, before I made my comments. Sarah Kliff reported it on 03 May, where MacArthurs office confirmed that his proposals would not apply to members of congress or their staff. Only after she exposed it did MacSally engage in an ass covering exercise by introducing her amendment.

Regardless of the this, the Act is effectively a tax break for rich people, and I suspect that MacSally is going to do very well financially from it herself. She will not be worried over insurance companies making insurance unaffordale to people with pre-existing conditions as she will have plenty of extra income to meet such surcharges.

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Posted by Hego on 05/09/2017 at 2:07 PM

Re: “AP: McSally Urges Colleagues To Vote for This 'Fucking Thing,' aka Zombie Trumpcare

Just to be clear many of you don't know enough about the actions of Congress to do anything but have kneejerk reactions. Did you see her legislation that passed?

Congress is losing their plan when this passes the Senate.

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Posted by Abbie G on 05/09/2017 at 10:31 AM

Re: “Too Much Junkie Business

well it ain't over cuz in this town the dr.s are so afraid of the all mighty idiots in the d.e.a./d.o.d. that people who need chronic pain managed have 1 hell of a road ahead and its stupid and immorral but what stinks is some folks who are all but pushed back to the heroin trip and then well your a real "nothing" to people ,so dont wonder why the dope game is huge here ,bigger then ever.That is what is
tiring mr. Rapp- billy sed

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Posted by William Sedlmayr on 05/08/2017 at 8:05 PM

Re: “Summer Samplers

I still cast a vote for Roma as best Italian/Greek deli in the world. You have got to try it. Wish they had an eastside location.

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Posted by Roma Empire on 05/08/2017 at 5:00 PM

Re: “Ducey's 'Education Budget,' Part 1: A 25 Cents an Hour Raise for Teachers

I would contend that if education were the number one issue to Tucson residents, TUSD would have been closed by now. They clearly aren't paying attention.

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Posted by Teachers Are Trapped on 05/08/2017 at 4:57 PM

Re: “AP: McSally Urges Colleagues To Vote for This 'Fucking Thing,' aka Zombie Trumpcare

Republicans cannot comprehend that the situation detailed in "Vox" article will ever happen to them. Newsflash, it can happen to anyone.

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Posted by Hego on 05/08/2017 at 4:44 PM

Re: “AP: McSally Urges Colleagues To Vote for This 'Fucking Thing,' aka Zombie Trumpcare

Not sure how James Stewart will have more choices if he has the misfortune to develop a condition that will effectively make him uninsurable i.e. an existing condition. Developing a serious illness can strike anyone, even those who lead healthly lifestyles etc. He will find his "Choices" will be slim to non existent.

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Posted by Hego on 05/08/2017 at 4:18 PM

Re: “AP: McSally Urges Colleagues To Vote for This 'Fucking Thing,' aka Zombie Trumpcare

56 countries have better child mortality rates than the United States, so it would seem a lot of people do not subscribe to "Hard Work Pays Off" philosphy of caring for each other. Lot of people are "Pro Life" as that costs nothing but as soon as someone makes the unwise decision to be born to poor parents, and their health care would cost the same people some money, its
"fuck Em".

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Posted by Hego on 05/08/2017 at 4:08 PM

Re: “Cannabis: A conflict in cash

Due to the permit process, all the medical card holders are already on a list through their pharmacies; so persecution -ah- prosecution of users will be facilitated.

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Posted by Ramzi Eid Masarweh on 05/08/2017 at 3:27 PM

Re: “Cannabis: A conflict in cash

Ramzi Eid Masarweh Nick Meyers: I consume medicinal marijuana every day just so you don't mistake me for the crowd you write about in this article and I have to take exception with one point. Eating all of a six portion pot candy, like a child is likely to do, has put adults in paranoid hysteria and fear; not remotely like the mild alcohol intoxication, you compare it to. Yes, it's unlikely that permanent harm will come of this physically, but the jury is still out on the psychological effect on a child of a massive pot overdose due to the concentrations available these days.

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Posted by Ramzi Eid Masarweh on 05/08/2017 at 3:23 PM

Re: “Cannabis: A conflict in cash

Looking at the recent Federal Budget that passed last week. Haven't had a budget for 6 of the 8 years under Obama. The Republican Congress continued to pass a bill on Marijuana prosecution. This is the same continuance of funding that the REPUBLICAN congress has added for the last 3 legislative sessions.
In short no monies can be spent on the investigation prosecution to state medical marijuana programs. California just rolled out it's 221 page guideline to legalization. Just how much of the hmm good for the people and education taxes are going to go up in smoke in innumerable ways ?

We are going to see a storm of prosecution in the states that went legal. There will be no thanks the user of marijuana or the powerful inside minority that saved the ignorant, from this like of rape and pillaging of the marijuana industry that is about to happen.

Arizona has found it's self in a unique position. A reasonable and somewhat accountable on all fronts state Medical MMJ program. There is huge room for new frontiers new opportunities new discoveries.
For this to happen we have learned to dodge the Robber Barons that disguise them selves as compassionate empathetic humans of dubious medical understanding. Or the understanding journalist who takes grandma to the DR. can see the operation and thinks they now can report on the MMj industry with knowledge. What is even worse these journalist are swimming like guppies waiting for chums of Governmental tidbits thinking they are of value with pool info and not knowing the difference or caring.

In short the Robber Baron of today are Government civil servants it's commission and contractors. That is the whole and the sole reason of prop 205. To build a new commissioning department with no court oversight and fantastic police and procedural prosecutorial powers all hiding under the BS Bill Clinton legal raping of the country call civil seizure to promote police on the ground policy that gave us Ferguson and other ugly cull the citizens for cash Policing.

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Posted by Carpet Baggers on 05/07/2017 at 4:12 PM

Re: “Got a Bachelor's Degree? There May Be a Public School Teaching Job Waiting For You.

I actually agree wholeheartedly with your first two paragraphs. My observation and conclusions from the data exactly. It is obvious to me that schools that focus intensely on test scores don't seem to be making progress academically. There are potential exceptions to this rule. However, look at the paradox. Test scores reveal that focusing on test scores doesn't work to improve academic results.

However, test scores reveal that focusing on quality increases test scores.

In the end, measurement helps inform policy. However, policy discussions remain at the kindergarten level so to speak. Of what good is it to be sane in an insane asylum?

The largely untested, unregulated portion of the spectrum i.e. kindergarten through 4th grade is improving academic results much much faster than the highly tested, accountability intense portion of the spectrum - 4th through 8th grade. In fact, the productivity of 4th through 8th grade appears to be plunging.

There are heavy caveats to this observation however. All day kindergarten has been proven to have a delayed negative reaction. In other words it boosts results in k through 3rd grade but by the end of 8th grade, full day kindergartners are a full one-tenth of a standard deviation behind half day kindergartners and full day kindergartners appear to be on a permanently negative arc relative to half day kindergartners. You can see a complete analysis of this on the RAND website.

A good part of Finland's success against us might be due to a delayed school start.

Education is a complex business.

Your simple assertion that what Arizona is doing doesn't work is belied by the facts:

Since Arizona started on the school choice path in 1993, murders by juveniles have dropped from 70 to 7 despite a tripling in our at-risk population. A recent, scholarly, Urban Institute study ranked Arizona schools 13th in the nation in academics. Local districts like Chandler Unified, Mesa, and Vail have seen the percentage of parents grading their childs school an A rise from 38% in the 1990s to 75% currently (Westgroup). Every scientific indicator suggests that Arizona is on the right path.

The media rankings based on things like Wallet Hub lack a scientific foundation. Compare us with Wisconsin for example. Our Black 8th graders outscore their Black 8th graders, decisively. Our Hispanic 8th graders outscore their Hispanics and our whites outscore their whites. Yet, Wallethub rates them higher than us academically. Wallethub is not scientific, they are policy morons, they and their "statistics" are a joke.

This blog honors all things that lead to more expensive government. But, we know that more expensive government destroys jobs and job creation. Running extremely frugal government is the most powerful indicator for job creation. The most frugal states in the nation double the job creation of the high spenders.

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Posted by on 05/07/2017 at 3:38 PM

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