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Re: “Gabby Giffords: Today's Congressional Shooting 'Is an Attack on All Who Serve and on All Who Participate in our Democracy'

Clarence D. Talk about making an A hole out of yourself.

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Posted by CW13 on 06/15/2017 at 3:00 PM

Re: “Trial Over TUSD's Mexican American Studies to Begin in Tucson June 26

A publicly funded school system in a democracy should present the history of political parties in the U.S. and how they evolved, as well as a representative sampling of ideas from all parts of the political spectrum and the thinkers who have influenced different political camps. Once that has been done, it should be up to students to form their own opinions. "This is the Republican Party platform. This is the Democratic Party platform. This is how Libertarians differ from Republicans. This is how Greens differ from Democrats. This is what Adam Smith thought. This is what Karl Marx thought. This is what Milton Friedman thought. This is what Joseph Stiglitz thinks. Which do you find most persuasive? Why? Write a position paper and explain what you think. Participate civilly in debates with classmates who think differently.

That would be educating citizens effectively for constructive participation in a democracy, keeping in mind that the families utilizing public schools have many different political affiliations and none of them should find themselves in a position where their children are evaluated at school based on whether or not they are willing to "convert" to a different political camp.

Were there different points of view presented in this curriculum and were students allowed to form their own opinions and beliefs? Or was one monolithic point of view promoted as the correct one? They read Marx and Freire? OK. Who else did they read? How were Marx and Freire presented? We hear different things from different people writing in the media and comment streams. Lots of strong opinions on both sides, lots of shrill rhetoric.

Is there a copy of this curriculum and its reading list available somewhere for the public to review?

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Posted by Where can the public review the curriculum? on 06/15/2017 at 2:55 PM

Re: “The Time Has Come! The Second Round of Best of Tucson is Open

It depends on what you ware.

Posted by Sarah Smile on 06/15/2017 at 2:49 PM

Re: “The Time Has Come! The Second Round of Best of Tucson is Open

Please explain how Feast can be nominated as both Best Casusl and Best Upscale? I get the votes went that way but seriously the voters sound confused.

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Posted by Rita Connelly on 06/15/2017 at 2:32 PM

Re: “Gabby Giffords: Today's Congressional Shooting 'Is an Attack on All Who Serve and on All Who Participate in our Democracy'

Yes I have one. Who killed all the cops last summer?

And I thought of a second one.

If all guns were outlawed, how would angry, violent people kill?

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Posted by R King on 06/15/2017 at 2:21 PM

Re: “Gabby Giffords: Today's Congressional Shooting 'Is an Attack on All Who Serve and on All Who Participate in our Democracy'

Here's the only thing you really need to know about this shooter: HE WAS AN ANGRY, VIOLENT WHITE MAN WITH GUNS.

And that places him in the most common demographic of mass shooter and the most common demographic of terrorist in this country. Angry, violent white men with guns pick all sorts of things to inflame and target their rage. Sure, this guy supported Bernie, but most of them are drawn to Tchump (because he speaks their language and purposely exploits their rage), but this really is not an issue of left or right. It's an issue of angry, violent white men with guns. This guy had a history of violence and irresponsible gun use, yet he was still armed to the teeth. THAT is the problem--not political parties or uncivil rhetoric or TV shows or anything else but that.

Any questions??

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Posted by skinnyman on 06/15/2017 at 2:11 PM

Re: “Crop Conundrum

Just think and we throw away over half the food produced. Hire more H2A visa workers to grow more food to throw away now that is American democratic logic right there.

Ever see George Carlin and is routine on STUFF ? Americans need to get more house to get more stuff. Then when you get to much you rent room to store yourself stuff.

What the story didn't tell is Dole sold out all operations in Yuma to a Chinese firm ITOCHU. It is this firm that set the world price and market distribution of winter Lettuce.

Story is false news

Posted by Carpet baggers on 06/15/2017 at 12:56 PM

Re: “No Thanks, Trump

Think you're pissed off now? Wait until next week when the Bored of Stupidvisors votes to give $2,000 of our tax dollars to some humane borders group to refill water jugs for people sneaking into the country. Even if we could afford it ( which we can't), that's nothing more than aiding and abetting. These stooges need to be ousted. Just don't hold your breath.

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Posted by CW13 on 06/15/2017 at 12:40 PM

Re: “Atomic Punk

Carbohydrate and sugar loaded crap food that's offered to school kids and which contributes to future obesity, diabetes and cardiovascular problems.

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Posted by Nutritionist on 06/15/2017 at 12:33 PM

Re: “Gabby Giffords: Today's Congressional Shooting 'Is an Attack on All Who Serve and on All Who Participate in our Democracy'

Correction: the group was called Terminate the Republican Party. Any questions?

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Posted by YouCantHandleTheTruth on 06/15/2017 at 12:14 PM

Re: “No Thanks, Trump

Lets boycott all products sold in United States that are produced in Mexico. Lets boycott travel to Mexico. Stop giving hand outs (as aid) to Mexico. How many Mexican troops and police are on the border stopping illegals from crossing the border? The answer is 0. Send all illegals back to there beloved country Mexico. Stop giving medical aid to illegals crossing the border. Americans where are you? I had enough. Lets protest just like the Mexicans do. Can they protest there Gov in Mexico? 99 % of all illegals in this USA are from Mexico. Lets form a protest movement. Our gov needs to do more about this illegal issue. The American tax payer are paying the bill in the Billions. Stewart Stanger

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Posted by Stewart Stanger on 06/15/2017 at 12:11 PM

Re: “Gabby Giffords: Today's Congressional Shooting 'Is an Attack on All Who Serve and on All Who Participate in our Democracy'

JCC - How can you say that it's not a Democratic or Republican thing when he specifically asked people before the shooting whether there were Democrats or Republicans on the field after stalking the field previously? Do you honestly think that, given his documented history for hating "Trump and Co." (his words) and belonging to a group called Terminate Trump that he would have shot Democrats? This was a premeditated, politically motivated act and all the spin in the world to deflect blame from the recent spate of high-profile, well-publicized Trump assassination fantasies can't change the facts.

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Posted by YouCantHandleTheTruth on 06/15/2017 at 12:10 PM

Re: “Trial Over TUSD's Mexican American Studies to Begin in Tucson June 26

This has to qualify as one of the most meaningless trials in history. Contrary to your story, TUSD was never under any obligation to dismantle MAS. What they had an obligation to do and what they were given time to do was to clean it up and publicly adopt a curriculum at the board level.

Is this judge really going to give them permission to violate state law again and reestablish a program without school board review and school board control of the curriculum? Allow outside entities to control lesson plans? Allow teaching to go in classrooms that disappeared when the auditors showed up? If you are proud of what you are doing, display it to the world.

It the community really going to be comfortable with what was going on in those classrooms? These weren't ethnic studies, these were European studies, a guy by the name of Marx. Every single one of the books, all of Paulo Freire works was simply a Marxian framework applied to all social situations and racial relations. As one obviously talented girl who testified in the Senate "I never knew I was oppressed until I took this class". Where is that framework going to take her in life? No place healthy. It is a philosophy of hate.

It's toxic and Central and South America are deeply in its grip. Their murder rate is 10 times that of the United States and they have very little prosperity. We have a different philosophy in the United States best summed up by the great coach John Wooden "Time spent getting even is better spent getting ahead."

For conservatives, this trial is a no lose situation. Even if we lose the trial, we will have a permanent example of why liberals can't be trusted to run so much as a lemonade stand. Bringing the MAS controversy back will cause a few hundred TUSD students of the 47 thousand to consume the time of the next TUSD superintendent almost certainly causing another leadership failure, further incite the destructive factions on the board and hasten the destruction of TUSD already down 14,000 students since 2000.

That might make for exciting politics but it will not make a good outcome for Arizona or Tucson.

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Posted by jhuppent@hotmail.com on 06/15/2017 at 12:05 PM

Re: “Gabby Giffords: Today's Congressional Shooting 'Is an Attack on All Who Serve and on All Who Participate in our Democracy'

The shooter had a history of violence against women, which often precedes mass shootings. This is not a Democratic or Republican thing, violence is neutral with respect to political orientation - it has been embraced by adherents of all political orientations. https://thinkprogress.org/mass-shooting-do…

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Posted by JCC on 06/15/2017 at 12:01 PM

Re: “No Thanks, Trump

Why don't they go to countries south of the border and teach their skills to the citizens? What are their skills?

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Posted by Ship Of Fools on 06/15/2017 at 11:52 AM

Re: “Editor's Note

Not me. I am content to continue with bland mediocrity. That way you are neither excited or dissappointed. Keep up the average work. Some of us depend on it.

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Posted by See Student 2.0 on 06/15/2017 at 11:49 AM

Re: “Farewell, Franzi

I appreciate reading all the tributes and life stories about him. Having lived in Tucson many years and hearing on the radio and reading his columns, I have a lot more appreciation for all that he did to make our area a better place to live. I admire standing up for what you believe, but being able to work with those who have different beliefs for a common goal. ie President Reagan and Tip O'Neil.
Southern Arizona is poorer with his passing.

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Posted by DAZ on 06/15/2017 at 11:37 AM

Re: “Gabby Giffords: Today's Congressional Shooting 'Is an Attack on All Who Serve and on All Who Participate in our Democracy'

Tucson Weekly Reader - take a long, hard look in the mirror because this is what the left looks like to everyone who is not frothing at the mouth over Trump and the results of an election. You're welcome.

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Posted by YouCantHandleTheTruth on 06/15/2017 at 11:14 AM

Re: “Trial Over TUSD's Mexican American Studies to Begin in Tucson June 26

it's a bench trial

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Posted by Roque Planas on 06/15/2017 at 11:01 AM

Re: “Gabby Giffords: Today's Congressional Shooting 'Is an Attack on All Who Serve and on All Who Participate in our Democracy'

I fear going downtown. I was walking at night to the court house parking wife got out started to walk. When I caught up she was terrified and shaking back in the camping on the street. She wont go now had tickets to the Children's Museum.

I had a relative come into town to be picked up at the Rail Station was stalled for an hour getting around the GAY anti Trump thing of some type. Sister lives in Tualatin Oregon suburb of Portland went to see in February the Airport and access to the airport and from.

Yea America is a very very scary place now. There is absolute no truth being reported, what is being reported is who and why to hate. Then just one's own personal disgust is enough validate violence.

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Posted by Robert Ruckman 1 on 06/15/2017 at 10:58 AM

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