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Re: “The New Teacher Certification Rules: Is Everyone Else Wrong, or Am I?

I want my surgeons to have real world experience, what's with all of this schooling and expensive training? Why, my uncle could gut a fish in 30 second flat, filleted and ready for the grill. He'd a made a fine surgeon without all that fancy book lernin.

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Posted by Indivisible on 05/17/2017 at 10:05 AM

Re: “The New Teacher Certification Rules: Is Everyone Else Wrong, or Am I?

Don't worry about the colleges. They will accept anybody with the ability to pay, especially if they pay with tax dollars. They have been accepting TUSD students that couldn't read or write for years.

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Posted by Betty Lou on 05/17/2017 at 9:42 AM

Re: “The New Teacher Certification Rules: Is Everyone Else Wrong, or Am I?

As someone who was convinced that Trump was conspiring with Russians last Augustand talking about itI can relate to the slightly embarrassing position of calling everyone else wrong, and that nagging feeling of self doubt. But the operative word in graf one is "any" and your reading is certainly correct. The other reporting deserves a correction.

The net effect is that Arizona has decided to conduct an uncontrolled experiment in using trainers as teachers. Unfortunately, this may not prepare students for future learning. You only need to ask yourself how many terrible corporate trainers have wasted your time to know this is a risky plan. Or just count how many were good. That's a lot quicker.

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Posted by Jimmy Zuma on 05/17/2017 at 9:42 AM

Re: “The New Teacher Certification Rules: Is Everyone Else Wrong, or Am I?

It amuses me immensely to think that some people think they can just walk in off the street and start teaching. These new "certified" teachers are in for a very, very, very rude awakening.

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Posted by Robert Davis on 05/17/2017 at 9:41 AM

Re: “The New Teacher Certification Rules: Is Everyone Else Wrong, or Am I?

You are completely right. The relevant sentence in the bill is "...meets ANY of the following requirements:"

In the course of earning an undergraduate and two graduate degrees, I was subjected to far too many professors and teaching assistants who had no idea how to teach, so I had to teach myself. At the university level, instructors don't need any teaching credentials other than a bachelor's degree. That's bad enough, don't subject early learners to such a low standard!

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Posted by G on 05/17/2017 at 8:44 AM

Re: “The New Teacher Certification Rules: Is Everyone Else Wrong, or Am I?

What is going to happen when schools lose their accreditation and no Arizona high school graduates will be admitted to college? Does the governor even know anything about this small roadblock? Apparently not.

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Posted by Vietnam Vet on 05/17/2017 at 8:06 AM

Re: “The New Teacher Certification Rules: Is Everyone Else Wrong, or Am I?

you are spot on. the relevant word is "or."
What's deeply disturbing to me is that there is no regard for the the fact that teachers need to be skilled in education, not only their subject matter expertise.

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Posted by Sherrie Posternak on 05/17/2017 at 6:18 AM

Re: “The New Teacher Certification Rules: Is Everyone Else Wrong, or Am I?

Anything that breaks the stranglehold of the union/educational establishment and associated group think can't be too bad. From what I've seen an educational degree doesn't do much to make you a better teacher than other relevant life experience and/or education.
I wonder what the criteria are for firing them (or any teacher) if they're found to be incompetent?

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Posted by bslap on 05/17/2017 at 6:12 AM

Re: “The New Teacher Certification Rules: Is Everyone Else Wrong, or Am I?

It's a common sense law. That in itself explains why libby Safier is against it.

We need teachers with real world experience, not professional teachers. This is especially true at the high school level.

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Posted by Bob V on 05/17/2017 at 5:46 AM

Re: “Cessna Needs a Home

LIKE them myself but she is a pit bull....Causes social issues at the least..

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Posted by Jerry Kelly on 05/16/2017 at 7:45 PM

Re: “The New Teacher Certification Rules: Is Everyone Else Wrong, or Am I?

Just wondering how this will impact school accreditation standings, especially at the high school level when students are filling out those college applications. Have not seen any discussion about the his at all.

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Posted by A on 05/16/2017 at 6:00 PM
Posted by Stop The Madness on 05/16/2017 at 4:08 PM

Re: “If You Think the TUSD Board Election Was a Knock-down, Drag-out Fight, Take a Look at L.A.

Great report David. You should read it. Great job California!

http://www.ocregister.com/2017/05/15/charter-schools-are-climbing-up-the-ranks-2/


Charter school have gone from acceptance to excellence, and now are outperforming their traditional public school counterparts, multiple recent school rankings revealed.

In addition, magnet schools, public schools with specialized instruction, such as a focus on math and science or the arts, comprised three of the four remaining spots in the top 10. In other words, nine of the top 10 schools were schools of choice.

Taken together, charters and magnet schools took up 60 percent of the top 100 schools, despite representing just 16 percent of the roughly 6,000 schools U.S. News deemed medal-winning. Schools were ranked based on factors such as graduation rates, performance on state assessments and student participation in and performance on Advanced Placement tests, U.S. News reported.

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Posted by Public Ed Is So Broken on 05/16/2017 at 12:24 PM

Re: “If You Think the TUSD Board Election Was a Knock-down, Drag-out Fight, Take a Look at L.A.

In order to control every generation of children before they become adults you must start when they are in the formative years and indoctrinate them into your scheme. Just as Hitler took control of the children of Germany and trained them to be good Aryans the pro-charter school advocates realize the power they will have over millions of American youth if they can just win enough seats on the education boards of this country's schools. Once that goal is achieved all the dominoes will easily fall into place and once again Public Money will go towards Private Profits! Most Americans are asleep at the wheel and are not mentally equipped to comprehend what the hell is going on. This country is basically screwed and you can thank the Republican conservative political machine which has been working overtime since the 1980's to convert our Democracy to an Oligarchy.

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Posted by Beneal Good on 05/16/2017 at 10:02 AM

Re: “AP: McSally Urges Colleagues To Vote for This 'Fucking Thing,' aka Zombie Trumpcare

Let it go Abbie. They just arrested one of the opposition for making death threats against Congressperson McSally. I think they call it social justice.

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Posted by John T on 05/16/2017 at 9:06 AM

Re: “If You Think the TUSD Board Election Was a Knock-down, Drag-out Fight, Take a Look at L.A.

Keep it up and Trump will win this too. People have moved from running on emotion to running on hate, and Americans are tired of it. Very tired.

15-20M dollars to make school policy? It must be an awful profitable business.

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Posted by Harold Thompson on 05/15/2017 at 3:53 PM

Re: “AP: McSally Urges Colleagues To Vote for This 'Fucking Thing,' aka Zombie Trumpcare

https://mcsally.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/house-unanimously-passes-mcsally-bill-striking-ahca-exemptions-members

WASHINGTON, DCThe House of Representatives today unanimously passed U.S. Representative Martha McSallys legislation to prevent Members of Congress and their staff from being exempt from the State waiver provisions of the American Health Care Act (AHCA) as amended.

Any law we pass that applies to our constituents must apply equally to Members of Congress as well. Anything short of that is hypocrisy. Congress must abide by the laws it passes and should be treated no differently than other hardworking Americans, said Rep. McSally. My measure eliminates double standards by preventing Members of Congress from exempting themselves from American Health Care Act.

Due to Senate procedural rules within the Budget Reconciliation process, the MacArthur Amendment to the American Health Care Act would exempt Members of Congress and their staff. Rep. McSallys legislation, H.R. 2192, is a standalone two-page bill that would repeal this exemption for Members of Congress should the American Health Care Act become law. The measure passed the House by a vote of 429-0.




If you skip the other two links, at least read this. It might help you:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/447632/ahca-macarthur-amendment-town-hall-critics-misunderstand-health-care-bill

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Posted by Abbie G on 05/15/2017 at 2:16 PM

Re: “AP: McSally Urges Colleagues To Vote for This 'Fucking Thing,' aka Zombie Trumpcare

FYI Abbie G, to highlight how you are being played by McSally. Your last sentence displays a profound ignorance of what her amendment actually meant, which is ironic concerning your criticism of other peoples understanding of her actions.

http://tucson.com/news/opinion/columnists/guest/david-marcus-mcsally-s-healthcare-insincerity/article_368b95de-9ed6-5e90-85d1-bbee2e5d3cb4.html

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Posted by Hego on 05/15/2017 at 12:50 PM

Re: “Got a Bachelor's Degree? There May Be a Public School Teaching Job Waiting For You.

jhuppent@hotmail.com:

You fail to distinguish between two distinct points of view:
1) Safier-style political-machine-feeding "all our problems will be solved if we just increase funding to public district schools and cut off funding to and support of alternative schools"
and
2) the repeatedly expressed opinion that funding should only be increased -- and charters and vouchers permitted -- with improved oversight mechanisms that ensure increased funding and increased choice will be managed in ways that benefit students and protect constituents from abuse

The results of parent satisfaction surveys, as has been pointed out before, are interesting, but most parents are not professional educators and their satisfaction with a school in no way guarantees that quality education is necessarily being delivered there.

What we have in Arizona education is not a lamentation orchestra -- what we have is a peculiarly toxic version of the Wild West on both sides of the political aisle. It is a bipartisan culture of self-serving irresponsibility that, on the one side, lazily and irrationally assumes the "invisible hand" will effectively accomplish what only careful, tedious, systematic quality-control oversight can actually accomplish, and, on the other side, sloppily begs more funding while resisting and disparaging any concern with how that funding is actually applied. Neither approach works to provide high quality publicly funded education.

The situation was correctly diagnosed above. The one effective remedy left to those who want to raise and educate children responsibly: leave the state of Arizona.

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Posted by No white hats, just bipartisan irresponsibility. on 05/13/2017 at 9:28 AM

Re: “Miss Teen USA Eliminating Their Swimsuit Competition is Only a Small Step in the Right Direction

Buy some advertising and quit trying to steal it.

1 like, 1 dislike
Posted by Debbie T on 05/12/2017 at 10:49 AM

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