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Re: “Grand Glazed Opening

Will definitely try it

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Posted by Palisades on 06/20/2017 at 12:10 PM

Re: “Carpe Diem Charters Are Failing to Seize the Day, Or the Students

The shouldn't be surprising fact about TUSD schools is that despite all the problems enumerated by the above poster, that many, many children at all levels are in fact receiving a good or excellent educational experience. The recent tour on FaceBook by the newest board member shows proof of good curriculum, devoted teachers, quality educational activities in every school she visited. Why is anyone surprised? Why are 85% of AZ students in AZ public schools? Because there are many good teachers and good experiences and progressing students in them. We are not Trenton, NYC, Chicago, LA, or Philadelphia and Washington, D.C. Our schools are not discipline horror stories when teachers work to make the school environment work for the students. We rush to talk badly about local schools, mostly based on bad funding situations, ignoring the hard workers within the ranks. Pay attention to the problems, contact the legislature to fund them properly, and stay in touch with your local board members. We can do this.

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Posted by gcb1 on 06/20/2017 at 11:13 AM

Re: “Trial Over TUSD's Mexican American Studies to Begin in Tucson June 26

Interesting that a commenter who seems to be a MAS supporter writes, "The Republicans proved Dolores Huerta's comment 100% correct."

Please explain what method could be employed to prove the statement "Republicans hate Latinos" correct. Could we survey all Republicans and definitively determine each individual Republican's attitude towards all people of Latino heritage? Just among the Republicans in AZ, it seems likely that we would find that registered Republicans have a wide range of views and feelings on race / ethnicity, some inclusive and tolerant of diversity, some not. We would also find that Republicans are themselves of many different ethnicities, including Latino/a.

It's valid for civics and history teachers to compare and contrast specific policy initiatives on both sides of the aisle, providing data on what the tangible consequences of certain policy priorities are for people in a certain demographic, but when it comes to stereotyping people by political affiliation and making unfounded assumptions about how all members of that party must necessarily FEEL about an ethnic group, how can it be said that it is constructive to model and teach that kind of biased, inaccurate speech in publicly funded schools in a democracy?

There's an important contrast to be drawn between cynically using schools to try to convert students to a particular point of view and / or political party -- what seems to be meant by those who refer to "social engineering" -- and helping them explore the joy and power of mastering a set of facts and drawing their own conclusions, i.e. thinking for themselves. If those who consider themselves solidly in the "support public schools as necessary to democracy" camp don't draw a clear, bright line between those two types of pedagogy and express a firm commitment to the latter, that is actually quite troubling.

Was MAS political indoctrination or the teaching of valid forms of critical thinking? I still don't know, because as much as I've read of the polemic assertions on both sides, no one here or in the various sources I pulled up in a web search of media reporting on the topic has ponied up evidence in the form of a CURRICULUM OUTLINE and READING LIST.

If there is one available, please provide a link.

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Posted by Please link a curriculum and reading list. on 06/20/2017 at 10:04 AM

Re: “Hispanic Chamber applauds Ducey education, business efforts

Where should we send hispanic children to get a "good" education?

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Posted by Jabberwalkie on 06/20/2017 at 9:24 AM

Re: “Carpe Diem Charters Are Failing to Seize the Day, Or the Students

...and no amount of opposition to charter and private schools make the public schools any better than they are. They are what they are, and until they accept that reality and figure out a way to fix them, it is foolish to try to expand them.

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Posted by Get Your Public Schools Straightened Out on 06/20/2017 at 9:21 AM

Re: “Carpe Diem Charters Are Failing to Seize the Day, Or the Students

Supporters of Public Schools: please get your facts straight. SB1431 allowed "all 1.1 million students in Arizona schools to use state dollars to attend private or parochial schools, so that parents can choose."
http://tucson.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/lawmakers-move-arizona-closer-to-school-voucher-option-for-all/article_bc6e7056-6f06-5198-929a-5ed29b5194b0.html

Private and parochial schools are not charter schools, and most reputable private and parochial school are non-profit. Unlike publicly funded charter schools, they must charge tuition to students to attend. SB1431 allowed students exiting the public school system to take approximately $5K per year of the per-pupil funding and apply it towards tuition in a private / parochial school.

The tendency in the "Save Public Schools" crowd to systematically misrepresent the initiatives against which they are trying to organize the public is not confidence inspiring. Schools need to educate. They need to be run by and supported by people who are capable of getting their facts straight. They are not worthy of support if they and their supporters are "so flawed at the moment" that they can't teach students how to master facts and communicate accurately.

Further: no sufficiently attentive citizen who had observed the operations of TUSD governance and administration for a reasonable length of time would believe that public schools necessarily "belong to us all." Some of the larger and more dysfunctional institutions of public education in Southern Arizona show signs of "belonging" more to the interest groups and political networks connected with them than they belong to the families that enroll their children in them. Cf. an inexperienced Superintendent netting $500K per annum of the sadly limited funding available to educate children and tossing around $10K bonuses to his central admin cronies, while teachers qualify for food stamps and students drink lead-polluted water out of the un-inspected drinking fountains and go without textbooks which the district owns, but the districts employees can't find in their warehouses. Cf. TUSD Board members running for re-election receiving $5K campaign contributions from a marketing executive at the firm to which these Board members have voted to outsource substitute teacher labor, to the detriment of compensation and benefits for the substitute teachers and to the detriment of children in scores of TUSD classrooms that have no permanent, certified teacher covering them.

Students need to get out of the toxic (literally, not just figuratively, TOXIC) nightmare of TUSD. Stop trying to distort the facts and organize the public against initiatives that help students get good educations in safe facilities. Or, if you can't do that, at least work as hard to solve the pervasive problems in TUSD as you are working to try to block families from exiting it.

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Posted by Get your facts straight, Supporters of Public Schools. on 06/20/2017 at 9:12 AM

Re: “Carpe Diem Charters Are Failing to Seize the Day, Or the Students

Please look at the Save Our Schools petition that is going around to repeal the bill the legislature passed ( SB 1431/HB 2394 expands the voucher program) in April 2017. This bill supports the move toward increasing funding for vouchers to charter schools - these are not publicly owned schools, but rather taxpayer paid for profit entities. Although there is a cap on the number of vouchers in the bill, several legislators have stated it can be increased. My belief is in public schools, however flawed at the moment , because they belong to us all.

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Posted by MaryE2 on 06/19/2017 at 11:26 PM

Re: “The Skinny

As I have said a thousand times, run the best candidate and your candidate can win. Anyone remember Lew Murphy?

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Posted by gcb1 on 06/19/2017 at 7:38 PM

Re: “Hispanic Chamber applauds Ducey education, business efforts

Shame on the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce. None of Ducey's so-called education efforts benefit Hispanic children who are usually on the losing end of those educational cuts. He has done NOTHING to benefit children in need in gaining a good education.

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Posted by gcb1 on 06/19/2017 at 7:35 PM

Re: “The Skinny

As a child I spent countless vacations and weekends with Michael Hard and family in Rocky Point, Flagstaff, Tucson and Phoenix. Michael Hard is a funny, smart and incredibly caring man. His accomplishments in life are abundant, including his terrific family. However, his biggest feat may have been excusing and reversing my innumerable overdraft charges at the Valley Bank while I was an undergrad at the U of A. :)

Indeed, you are very lucky to be a part of the Hard family and to have him as your father in law.

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Posted by Janie Gould Licosati on 06/19/2017 at 7:13 PM

Re: “Doug Ducey, CEO

Response to jhuppent

2016 average public education teacher salary was $47,218 according to your source. That's a whopping $22.70/hr if averaged for year round work. I, for one, don't think that's shit for educating my children and you couldn't pay me enough to work with that much patience around kids all day.

Perhaps you should go back and get a new degree (costing thousands) so you can make that $22.70/hr and buy that house on the hill.

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Posted by Eric Matson on 06/19/2017 at 6:59 PM

Re: “Border Patrol Agents Bust Migrants Seeking Medical Aid at No More Deaths Desert Camp

Stay safe and hydrated out there. Thank you for keeping our border safe.

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Posted by Eric Matson on 06/19/2017 at 6:25 PM

Re: “Trial Over TUSD's Mexican American Studies to Begin in Tucson June 26

Tashima messed up first time around... Arizona government is racially toxic and who can forget nutty Huppenthal's crazy racist blog posts/comments ... Huppenthal, you are a joke wrapped around layers of Lies... and please go back to school and retake spelling and grammar. The Republicans proved Dolores Huerta's comment 100% correct. MAS was a caring, dynamic and highly successful program that even Huppenthal cambium report proved correct as have numerous education studies. Your supporters' racial stereotypes just come out ... the great irony of all this is that Chicano and ethnic studies would be a TREMENDOUS HUMAN benefit to people like you and them ... if you could only understand .... or care. La lucha continua.

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Posted by Elias on 06/19/2017 at 1:00 PM

Re: “Trial Over TUSD's Mexican American Studies to Begin in Tucson June 26

Incidentally, the whole point of schooling is social engineering, plain and simple. Teach the masses the way we should think and should act, whether in homeschooling, charters, private schools, religious schools or public schools. It's how we transmit our culture.

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Posted by gcb1 on 06/19/2017 at 12:55 PM

Re: “Trial Over TUSD's Mexican American Studies to Begin in Tucson June 26

There are individual excellent high school government/history teachers who indeed teach what bslap is calling for. Speak up if you know some. I know when my son and others were in high school they were given a test which sorted them as to political party that matched their views. We talked about it afterwards. In 6th grade, I provided that kind of information as well as speakers from elected officials of both parties to make certain students were provided a balanced set of information. It is not unheard of, at all. The problem is the kids who choose not to engage when they graduate, and they are more interested in other things. Most adults remember very little from their high school civics classes unless they are political junkies, and few news reporters are useful on this topic.

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Posted by gcb1 on 06/19/2017 at 12:53 PM

Re: “Border Patrol Agents Bust Migrants Seeking Medical Aid at No More Deaths Desert Camp

Our illustrious leader could tweet to his Republican sycophants that he wants a bill on his desk that states anyone who offers aid and comfort to ANY undocumented person regardless of whether that person is gravely ill or not will be prosecuted for breaking the law and incarcerated.

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Posted by Beneal Good on 06/19/2017 at 7:08 AM

Re: “Border Patrol Agents Bust Migrants Seeking Medical Aid at No More Deaths Desert Camp

Makes sense to me, why would BP not be there every day?

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Posted by bslap on 06/19/2017 at 5:33 AM

Re: “Border Patrol Agents Bust Migrants Seeking Medical Aid at No More Deaths Desert Camp

The "ultimate goal" is to try to save human beings.

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Posted by Kenneth Skinner on 06/18/2017 at 7:16 PM

Re: “Border Patrol Agents Bust Migrants Seeking Medical Aid at No More Deaths Desert Camp

The border agents did the job they were hired to do. The Red Cross did the job they volunteered to do.
What is the problem? If the people coming over the border want to enter without harassment, they need get the paperwork completed and walk through the border gate. I love immigrants, I do not like people that break the laws, including you people that speed on the freeway. If you are caught drunk driving, you go to jail. If you break into a person's house you either go to jail or get shot. If you break into the USA, you go to jail and get deported or get shot. What is the problem?

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Posted by Little Timmy on 06/18/2017 at 5:09 PM

Re: “Atomic Punk

Hey Nutritionist, why bag on the Frog when there's a McDonald's right there on the corner? The kids are bypassing McDonald's on the way to the Frog because the Frog serves good, unprocessed food. You should go complain about McDonald's embalmed mummy burgers instead, since you claim to be a "nutritionist".

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Posted by Nofilter on 06/18/2017 at 11:05 AM

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