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Re: “White Flight

Participation in social media will make a middle school student out of you eventually.

Posted by Sup on 09/24/2017 at 10:21 AM

Re: “White Doesn't Make Right

Waaa-waaa-wa. Little Mexican babies need a MAS binky in order to grade out in their other classes. The Mexicans can have TUSD and just to be fair, they can have El Paso too.

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Posted by Sup on 09/23/2017 at 2:36 PM

Re: “White Doesn't Make Right

jhuppent, I can understand your point, but surely you would agree that it would tend to depend upon the _context_ (and isn't this always the case?) in which these _revisionist_ studies take place.
I admit, that if taught with an equally puerile, of not angry, _revanchist_ perspective, we're back to square one and set the stage for social divisiveness of the kind we've witnessed recently from Yugoslavia to Iraq to Syria--futile brother vs brother, Hatfield vs McCoy ancestral feuds that achieve nothing but resentment, bitterness and, heaven forbid, bloodshed.
No, I merely meant teach History in a forthright manner in order to avoid Santayana's injunction; in order to learn history's bitter, hard-earned lessons. We cannot and must not repeat our forefathers' costly, inhumane mistakes.
We must away from teaching _American Mythology 101_ in our schools and smugly label such teaching "history." That's what I resent. And that's what I believe the promoters of balance and perspective desire. If not, like you, I join in condemning _any_ resentful, vindictive motives! Such motives are unworthy of any of us who truly believe in unchaining ourselves and our posterity from the dungeons of ignorance and hate.
Be well.

Posted by socrates2 on 09/23/2017 at 11:18 AM

Re: “White Doesn't Make Right

Nathan K, of the three court decisions you described, all of them were so removed from the actual decisions as to make it difficult to determine which decisions you were describing. The last one was only recognizable because it pertained to the subject of the article above. I would challenge you to locate the phrase "raza studies" in the judge's opinion.

Honestly, with reference to the first decision you describe, I have no idea which decision you are attempting to describe. At all.

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Posted by Jeffrey Patten on 09/22/2017 at 5:04 PM

Re: “Beneath the Surface

Climate Change is a complete hoax consisting of three intellectual frauds.

First, they have falsified total ice volumes of the earth by loading total ice measurements with obscure gravitational models masquerading as ice measurement.

Laser models, by far the most accurate method of measuring ice, show total ice volumes of the planet's ice shelves at or close to all-time records.

If the ice shelves are at or close to all-time records, the measurement of the oceans also has to be fraudulent. How was this fraud done? Again, obscure modeling to show the ocean floors sinking at a rapid pace. If the ocean's surface isn't rising, that's where they hide the non-existent water- in the volume created by a falling ocean floor.

The final fraud is in temperature measurement. The temperature modeling of the First International Panel on Climate Change ended up at the fifth percentile of the model's projection. Meaning, of course, the model lacked validity. A model and a hypothesis that can't predict or explain the past is really worthless at predicting the future. They were able to solve this problem by changing past weather temperature records. They went back and reduced historically recorded temperatures sufficiently to be able to declare current records "all-time highs."

Our current planet temperatures are not statistically different than the originally recorded temperatures.

I am sure that most readers find it inconceivable that a fraud this elaborate, sustained and outrageous could be conducted by our prestigious scientists. However, intellectual frauds in which masses of scientists participate are actually par for the course since research journals began in 1665. Some of these have run for a hundred years. Others have run until the horrific consequences became too glaring to cover up.

It's a philosophy thing. Our western civilization is built around Socrates, Plato and Aristotle formulations for pursuing the truth and pursuing good. Over the last two millennia, that has slowly been replaced with the pursuit of power. Anthropomorphic climate change gives scientists an enormous amount of power over their fellow citizens.

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Posted by jhuppent@hotmail.com on 09/21/2017 at 4:55 PM

Re: “Bad Grades

Three Sonorans,

We can agree on this: Hispanics should get a better education at Tucson Unified.

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Posted by jhuppent@hotmail.com on 09/21/2017 at 1:34 PM

Re: “White Doesn't Make Right

Response to Socrates2
I don't have any problem with your comment. It provides balance and perspective.

My point is a curriculum which teaches young students that oppression is a one-way street, i.e. whites oppressing minorities, damages kids. Leaves them thinking about "getting even."

UCLA coach John Wood had a great saying "time spent getting even is better spent getting ahead."

Oppression went in every direction in history. Every race took a turn oppressing somebody.

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Posted by jhuppent@hotmail.com on 09/21/2017 at 1:11 PM

Re: “White Doesn't Make Right

Headline missing a J!

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Posted by BuffCrone on 09/21/2017 at 10:30 AM

Re: “White Doesn't Make Right

Correction:

Wrote: "refuse _their_ turn their country"

Meant to write: "refuse _to_ turn their country."

Apologies.

Be well.

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Posted by socrates2 on 09/21/2017 at 9:04 AM

Re: “White Doesn't Make Right

jhuppent, it's quite telling when an individual selectively posts one or two isolated facts about any individual or culture, and these facts specifically get culled for their tendency to demonize an entire culture. Sad. What a crude, if not puerile, attempt at propaganda...
Can you imagine if one were to characterize North American civilization as one that in the name of the ideology "Manifest Destiny" savagely attacked, massacred, and quarantined natives in "reservations" and other cultural groups in the hundreds of thousands? A culture that in the sacrosanct name of "Property" shipped tens of thousands of Africans in chains to this continent, enslaved millions of them and forced them to work under hellish working conditions in cotton and tobacco plantations?
Sent hundreds of thousands of its own young men to jungles in Southeast Asia to kill the natives who refused to bow down to their ideology? That continues to send thousands of its citizens to bomb and kill civilians in countries whose leaders refuse their turn their country into a "client state?"
Please, indulging in ad hominems got old by the second week in "Speech 101..."
Let us rather celebrate the diversity that is mankind, the human race. A bright future lies ahead if we but take the time to remove "the beam from our eye."
Be well.

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Posted by socrates2 on 09/21/2017 at 8:55 AM

Re: “Bad Grades

Is it possible to reduce the number of school districts in Arizona from more than 200 to a few like CFSD

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Posted by Grandma Suzy on 09/21/2017 at 8:42 AM

Re: “White Doesn't Make Right

So, in the past few months, we've had federal judges decide (1) that foreigners with no pre-existing connection with the United States have a constitutional right to immigrate here; (2) that it's illegal for a state to penalize sanctuary city policies by its political subdivisions because that is preempted by federal law, even though federal law itself penalizes sanctuary cities and (3) that the constitution bars a state from preventing its own schools from teaching "raza studies" to high school students. We also have another pending federal lawsuit, in which the plaintiff's are arguing that it is unconstitutional for the President to rescind DACA, which everyone acknowledges is, itself, unconstitutional.

Question for constitutional conservatives:

Where do you think this all is going to end? Have you thought about what kind of future your children and grandchildren are going to have in this country if it continues along this path?

And what do you intend to do about it?

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Posted by Nathan K on 09/21/2017 at 8:41 AM

Re: “Bad Grades

I remember TUSD once had a program that raised standardized test scores, but a racist law and a state superintendent named John Huppenthal acted with racial animus to ban it. Mark Stegeman joined in and called it a cult. Kristel Foster then joined in and said she also would have kept MAS banned, putting money before Mexicans.

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Posted by Three Sonorans on 09/21/2017 at 7:02 AM

Re: “White Doesn't Make Right

So now we've proved one judge has one opinion and one has another. Yawn.
It would be great if there were more history classes at the high school level that covered the Southwest and more things relevant to the kids in the schools. But MAS was not that at all. It was a propaganda vehicle for some fairly extreme individuals to indoctrinate students.
Schools should not be used for social engineering nor political advancement.

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Posted by bslap on 09/21/2017 at 6:37 AM

Re: “White Doesn't Make Right

A court trial and jury found OJ Simpson not guilty of killing Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman, yet we all know that was not true. Many reasons court makes mistakes.

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Posted by Debra V on 09/21/2017 at 5:23 AM

Re: “White Doesn't Make Right

The critical point is that the Tucson Unified school board should follow state law and adopt the MAS curriculum in an open meeting.

And, they should go furthrr. They should make lesson plans an easily retrievable public record.

And, the curriculum should be balanced. In the trial TUSD stated that some classes were required to say the Mayan prayer for peace and love up to five times a day. Howver, they never taught the students that the Mayans achived their dominance by slaughtering tens of thousands of their fellow indigenous tribe members by using them as target practice and ripping their hearts out of their chests while they were still alive.

Only whites appear to have been characterized as oppressors in the MAS curriculum. A formula for hate. Not good.

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Posted by jhuppent@hotmail.com on 09/21/2017 at 4:31 AM

Re: “Bad Grades

Kristel Foster's quote was great. She needs to take it one step further and focus not just on growth, because focusing on any academic measure alone can dehumanizing relationships .

She needs to develop three simple measures of their schools relationship with parent, teachers and students. She doesn't need an inch thick binder, she needs a one or two page report with excellence percentages along with ten pages of suggestions by parents, teachers and students on how they can improve schools.

She needs this quarterly or monthly or weekly. When you are as large as Tucson Unified, you can pull samples of a 2,000 parents every month without oversampling. The more frequently you pulse the system the faster it will improve.

Education is all about quality of relationships and attitudes.

The number one predictor of a child's academic gain is their attitude towards school. If you are not managing relationships and attitudes, you aren't in the game.

She can pull a few umbrella questions from existing surveys that are jus sitting on shelves gathering dust. I've gathered these surveys for 30 years and, withe exception of Vail, never found a school board member who knew their excellence numbers within 40%. That's why these critical relationship ship numbers haven't improved for the nation in the last 47 years of Gallup data.

Nationwide, only 24% of parents rated their child's school an A school in 2015.

What is that number in Tucson Unified?

In Vail, that number is 67%.

I would suggest that you add an "A+" to the survey choices. Nationwide, only 9% of parents rate their child's school an A+. Leaders get very uncomfortable when the score is 9%.

Done perfectly you could improve that number 7 points a year for the next decade and move your student growth percentiles from the 50th prrcentile to the 70th percentile, well ahead of BASIS at the 62nd percentile.

Done well, you could get two points a year.

On your present course Tucson Unified is flatlined at mediocrity.

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Posted by jhuppent@hotmail.com on 09/21/2017 at 4:09 AM

Re: “DREAMers Deferred

Fernando,

We don't care about you, but your mother and father are a different story.
Do they live at the address you listed on your DACA application?

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Posted by Juan Valdez on 09/17/2017 at 11:32 AM

Re: “DREAMers and Dollars

10 DACA Facts

1. DACA gives people relief from deportation and the ability to get a work permit, a Social Security card and state ID. Recipients are also allowed to pay in-state tuition to college in many states

2. Arizona and Nebraska were two states that tried to alter their rules to deny DACA recipients drivers licenses, but were forced by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit to allow it in 2014

3. Since receiving DACA, 77.7 percent of recipients got a job with higher pay, 67.2 percent bought their first car, 23.5 percent bought a home, 7.9 percent started their own business.*

4. Dreamers over age 25 work an average 40 hours a week with average annual earnings of $41,600.*

5.Ending DACA will cost Arizona an estimated $1.3 billion annually in GDP losses.*

6. The loss of DACA workers would reduce the national GDP by $433 billion over the next decade.*

7.DACA recipients are not eligible for federal financial aid, including loans, or any government subsidized services, including healthcare. They pay into Social Security but are not eligible to receive it.

8. The day after Trump announced ending DACA, attorneys general from 15 states and the District of Columbia filed a lawsuit against him to block the termination, saying Trump is motivated by racial animus.

9. DACA recipients are not all from Mexico, but all over the world.**

10. When applying for DACA, DREAMers entrusted the U.S. government with in-depth personal information on themselves and their families, with the understanding that sharing the information would protect them from deportation.

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Posted by FactChecker on 09/17/2017 at 9:39 AM

Re: “DREAMers Deferred

Thanks for the DACA information. Unfortunately you offered mostly the negatives of resinding DACA.
Trump's motivations are intended to get immigration reform passed by congress in the next six months so the DACAs who are contributors can become U.S. citizens and no longer have this temporary citizenship status hanging over their heads. Fortunately you did reference this kernel a couple of times in your articles. I.e. Flake quote. Can we now count on you to inform us of some of the positive of rescinding DACA? If you would like me to research and report i'm interested.

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Posted by bilohak on 09/15/2017 at 9:06 AM

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