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Re: “The 'Freedom Center's' High School Course Is On Shaky Ground at TUSD

" To evaluate policy, check its actual effects on real people."

Whoever you are and no matter how liberal you are, amen brother or sister, amen.

One of the all-time great comments.

Posted by jhuppent@hotmail.com on 11/22/2017 at 8:12 PM

Re: “The 'Freedom Center's' High School Course Is On Shaky Ground at TUSD

"John Huppenthal, with your well-documented record of A): discriminating against Mexican-American students; and B): making stupid, vile, racist blog posts, you are the last person who should be talking about "poor dears from the hood.""

Sorry Jana, not a single blog post of mine was racist. Unless you are so racist as to believe that the only people on welfare are Hispanic and Black.

Also, believing that minorities should be saturated in English is not racist. Knowledge of and fluency with English is a better predictor of job success than even a high school or college diploma.

Also, look at our hiring record at the department of education. Long before those accusations, we outstripped Arizona's demographics in our hiring of minorities. And, not just minorities, Democrats.

Your diatribe is far more bigoted than my posts or actions which were not bigoted in the slightest.

Posted by jhuppent@hotmail.com on 11/22/2017 at 8:08 PM

Re: “Cutting Teacher Compensation and School Funding in Wisconsin

what makes you think that just because david safier is from arizona that that alone means that he approves of our state's spending on education. if you took the time to read what he's written you'd know he does want more money in this state's spending. https://www.tucsonweekly.com/TheRange/arch…

bite yourself

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Posted by Palisades on 11/22/2017 at 5:54 PM

Re: “Cutting Teacher Compensation and School Funding in Wisconsin

So why would a person from Tucson get on their high horse about Wisconsin's spending and school policy when Arizona's is a heck of a lot lower. Political axe to grind comes to mind.

http://www.governing.com/gov-data/education-data/state-education-spending-per-pupil-data.html

Wisconsin in FY 2010 $12,338 down to FY 2014 to $11,186 a 9.3% decrease. Then the last two biennia an uptick followed by an upsurge.

Compare that to Arizona:

Arizona in FY 2010 $8,520 down to FY 2014 to $7,528 an 11.6% decrease. No data available on the last two years in this chart.

There are very few times that I'll ever say this in an official email, but I'm going to say it now, "Bite me", and it's directed to the disingenuous writer of this article

Make it a Happy Thanksgiving!

WI State Representative Bob Kulp

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Posted by Bob Kulp on 11/22/2017 at 4:19 PM

Re: “Cutting Teacher Compensation and School Funding in Wisconsin

Correct. A poorly education population is easier to dupe, ergo our current GOP takeover...but not for long. We are waking up.

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Posted by Shirley Willis on 11/22/2017 at 1:09 PM

Re: “Steve Bannon Beats the Drum Against Undocumented Immigrants in Tucson Appearance

What I don't understand is what these stooges have against a secure border.

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Posted by CW13 on 11/22/2017 at 12:56 PM

Re: “Steve Bannon Beats the Drum Against Undocumented Immigrants in Tucson Appearance

Hey, Tucson Weekly:

You've been excoriating me ever since 2006. Read the comments up above, "the times they are a-changing."

The time has come to have an "in depth" interview with THE central figure of the local opposition to OPEN BORDER POLICY, which has destroyed so many lives, dont'cha think?

Warden, "The Notorious Mexican Flag Burner" who btw has opposed the financial and political exploitation of the Mexican poor ever since 2005.

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Posted by KitWarden on 11/22/2017 at 9:10 AM

Re: “Steve Bannon Beats the Drum Against Undocumented Immigrants in Tucson Appearance

This week, five illegal aliens ambushed a border patrol agent and murdered him by crushing his skull with rocks.

Democrats oppose border security measures that would stop this from happening.

Because Democrats benefit politically from the country being overrun with illegal aliens.

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Posted by Nathan K on 11/22/2017 at 9:03 AM

Re: “Cutting Teacher Compensation and School Funding in Wisconsin

Republicans do not consider a good education essential for their supporters. In fact a sub-par education is what they prefer to keep their mindless base mindless. It isn't as easy to dupe your followers if they have at least two brain cells that work together.Maybe this could explain why there are so few Republican conservatives teaching in colleges and universities other than those religious campuses where the only two requirements are that you denounce all other religions and say the lords prayer before class, before a meal, before a game, and before you go to sleep.

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Posted by Beneal Good on 11/22/2017 at 8:53 AM

Re: “Steve Bannon Beats the Drum Against Undocumented Immigrants in Tucson Appearance

Undocumented. A nice way of saying illegal.

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Posted by CW13 on 11/22/2017 at 8:43 AM

Re: “The 'Freedom Center's' High School Course Is On Shaky Ground at TUSD

Jana Happel: Im sure you can come up with something more intelligent and more fair than that cheap shot.

Are you defending the way TUSD has been managed? If so, lets see what evidence you can muster that it delivers Fruchthendler-or Sabino-quality education to kids on the south and west sides. I once heard an opponent of vouchers admit that while sending their kid to a good Catholic school would undoubtedly be the preference of many of the constituents underserved in those south and west side public schools...still voucher policy needed to be blocked.

So lets be honest about whats at stake here: its a struggle over who gets to use public funds to serve a certain population in Southern Arizona, isnt it? And frankly, those who believe they know better than the parents themselves about which schools parents should be allowed to apply their own tax dollars in have some explaining to do about their real motives and why they believe their preferences for how other people educate their children should prevail. That is especially the case when the schools in question are part of a well established, well funded, non-profit, academically viable school system with a long and distinguished history which in most cases produces excellent results for its students.

Separation of church and state, you say? Give me a break. No one who understands the way those principles and clauses evolved in our nations founding documents believes that public support of students ELECTING to enroll (not being forced or required by the state to enroll) in a school with a religious affiliation violates what the separation of church and state was intended to be and what it was intended to protect against, something that was taking place in England at the time: discrimination against those who refuse to practice a state-sponsored religion. A bowdlerized, misunderstood version of SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!!! is a flag the ignorant like to wave when they run out of excuses for trying to deny fellow citizens their constitutionally guaranteed right to freedom of religion, or the right to be free of economic discrimination when educating their children responsibly while passing their religion on to the next generation.

Im no fan of Koch- and Friedman-style free market ideology, but when it comes to why some support vouchers, failures of the public school system to serve some populations as well as it serves others, as well as the ongoing effort to overcome deeply ingrained, longstanding American prejudice against immigrants practicing the Roman Catholic faith have to be granted their place in the public dialogue. The issues are much more complex than simplistic and hysterical ANTI-PRIVATIZATION rhetoric tries to make them out to be.

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Posted by Let’s address the elephant in the room directly, for once. on 11/21/2017 at 6:32 PM

Re: “The 'Freedom Center's' High School Course Is On Shaky Ground at TUSD

To: To evaluate policy... I'm sure Huppenthal is heartened to know that after everything he has done, there is still a faction of Pima County Dems that have his back.

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Posted by Jana Happel on 11/21/2017 at 5:35 PM

Re: “The 'Freedom Center's' High School Course Is On Shaky Ground at TUSD

Those Libertarians are witches I tell you. Burn them at the stake. More socialist slobbering and pandering please, and pass the tax money. You Libertarians didn't build these schools.

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Posted by Jonathon K on 11/21/2017 at 4:45 PM

Re: “The 'Freedom Center's' High School Course Is On Shaky Ground at TUSD

Here in clown world, "raza studies" for high school students is a constitutional right, while libertarianism creates a book burning panic.

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Posted by Nathan K on 11/21/2017 at 3:48 PM

Re: “The 'Freedom Center's' High School Course Is On Shaky Ground at TUSD

Jana Happel - unfortunately for those of us on the progressive side of the political spectrum economically (supporters of labor, unions, living wages, social safety nets, etc.), there are some aspects of the Democratic education policy agenda that dont, in practice, seem geared to serving the best interests of the disadvantaged. One example: public school districts offering much higher quality services in affluent, majority-white neighborhoods while allowing classrooms in lower income majority-minority neighborhoods to be staffed by outsourced, under-qualified subs, while actively seeking to block legislation that allows constituents in these mismanaged, under-professionalized schools to transfer their per pupil funding to schools with open seats that have professionally qualified staff, smaller class sizes, better test scores, and conditions generally more conducive to learning. What has just been described is a local REALITY, as people familiar with TUSD must recognize, and it doesnt reflect well on the political network responsible for A) voting to outsource subs and then voting to maintain that outsourcing contract, B) at the same time, actively running a misleadingly titled Save Our Schools campaign to block legislation that attempts to improve access to high functioning schools for constituents receiving poor services in insufficiently staffed public schools. People looking at the way this only-in-Arizona ongoing public policy train wreck is playing out could be forgiven for wondering whether disadvantaged students receiving the best education possible is indeed what motivates the policies the Democratic Party supports, as the Party frequently tries to persuade us. There are certainly plenty of individual cases where Democratic policy initiatives BLOCK the delivery of better services to underserved constituents, but in general too many Democrats seem more interested in ideological purity (and utopian fantasy) than in real conditions for real people on the ground, in the schools.

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Posted by To evaluate policy, check its actual effects on real people. on 11/21/2017 at 3:17 PM

Re: “The 'Freedom Center's' High School Course Is On Shaky Ground at TUSD

The sort of students who would be attracted to a course on free markets, both as an economic tool and a moral imperative, have no business being in TUSD anyway. Their parents should get them out. Charter, private, open enrollment in Vail or CF16, whatever is required.

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Posted by Nathan K on 11/21/2017 at 2:15 PM

Re: “The 'Freedom Center's' High School Course Is On Shaky Ground at TUSD

John Huppenthal, with your well-documented record of A): discriminating against Mexican-American students; and B): making stupid, vile, racist blog posts, you are the last person who should be talking about "poor dears from the hood."

Further, your insinuation that concerned, informed citizens like David Safier and Betts Putnam-Hidalgo are motivated to keep lower-income kids from succeeding and under "our control" is just plain wacky. Reasonable people may disagree about this course, but your implication makes no sense.

I guess if you haven't already learned to check yourself before posting, you never will.

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Posted by Jana Happel on 11/21/2017 at 2:01 PM

Re: “The 'Freedom Center's' High School Course Is On Shaky Ground at TUSD

It's interesting to note that questions asked in these comment streams about whether TUSD's Mexican American Studies (MAS) program received Governing Board approval in a proper public process went unanswered. Questions about who funded the impressive legal team arguing that the MAS ban was unconstitutional also went unanswered.

Memo to David Safier and Betts Putnam-Hidalgo: It's not transparency you're asking for when you don't ask for it uniformly. If it's "transparency-for-my-enemies-and-opacity-for-my-friends," then what you're asking for is a political cudgel you can use to abuse people with whom you disagree, not GENUINE transparency, which by definition is required of our friends and our enemies, and for curricula originating from ALL parts of the political spectrum.

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Posted by Transparency isn’t Transparency if it isn’t uniformly applied... on 11/21/2017 at 2:01 PM

Re: “The 'Freedom Center's' High School Course Is On Shaky Ground at TUSD

Members of the Tucson group Kochs Off Campus! have read the Freedom Center's textbook for this high school course. Most of the textbook seems to have been written by libertarian crackpots. Although some high schools use it to fulfill a State economics requirement, it does not give an overview of the field of economics, notably omitting Keynesian economics and the labor movement. It takes potshots at the minimum wage and other favorite libertarian targets. Although it is titled Philosophy 101, it is filled with PR and homilies instead of open ethical questions. It presents several myths as fact, such as: "Homo sapiens became the wisest of primates around forty thousand years ago when we learned to make deals with strangers" (page 2). The original version contained hundreds of typographical errors. (At least some of those were corrected after our group brought them to public attention.) Now the Freedom Center is trying to restrict access to the textbook and the list of schools where the course is being taught. That information used to be available on the publisher's website (Sagent Labs). The Sagent Labs website was taken down when this whole story went public. The Templeton Foundation did not get its money's worth on this one.

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Posted by Tori Woodard on 11/21/2017 at 12:46 PM

Re: “The 'Freedom Center's' High School Course Is On Shaky Ground at TUSD

Why don't you talk about what is in the course instead of its genetic makeup?

Probably understanding supply and demand, double entry accounting, Gross Domestic Product definitions, Personal Income, Judicial and Governmental structure. How to set up a brokerage account, 401ks, stocks, bonds. Maybe a philosopher and an economist or two, Adam Smith and Ricardo.

All the things that would just make your hair stand on end.

Wouldn't want these poor dears from the hood to be successful and leave our control, would we?

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Posted by jhuppent@hotmail.com on 11/21/2017 at 12:00 PM

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