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Re: “A Few Thoughts On the Mexican American Studies Trial

A MAS thought experiment.

Imagine a Tucson neighborhood. It is located mid-town, along I-10, and consists mostly of trailer homes and light industrial facilities. Its population is 63% non-Hispanic white, the vast majority of whom are poor and disadvantaged: high unemployment, high incarceration rates, rampant opioid abuse, etc. It has one high school, three middle schools and three elementary schools, all of which underperform state averages, and especially, when measured relative to other majority non-Hispanic white school districts. We will call this neighborhood "Seeping Springs" for the purposes of our discussion.

Suppose that Seeping Springs High School ("go Cowboys!") introduces an Anglo-American studies program. This program's goal is to emphasize the positives of white, Euro-American Civilization. The curriculum is implicitly, if not explicitly, pro-white. Students learn white history starting with the Greeks and going through the moon landing. They read great works of white literature and study white art and music. They are taught evolutionary biology from a pro-white perspective, from Darwin, to Madison Grant, to Jensen and Rushton. There's a lecture on average racial IQ differences. The American Civil War is taught from the perspective of "lost cause" historians like Shelby Foote, and there's a largely positive unit on Arizona's Confederate history. Non-white cultural and historical contributions are deemphasized as not being culturally relevant to white students.

Participation in the Anglo-American studies program is voluntary, and it is open to all races and ethnicities.

After five years of the program's operation, grades (even in classes outside of the AAS program), standardized test scores, and the reported self-esteem of white students in the program all show statistically significant increases. Behavior problems show marked decreases.

Question - would we accept such a program, even if it lead to better educational outcomes? Should the state be permitted to stop it?

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Posted by Nathan K on 07/27/2017 at 8:32 AM

Re: “A Few Thoughts On the Mexican American Studies Trial

Huppenthal's comment didn't even make any sense as a response to this article. As such, it doesn't even really deserve a lot of conversation: sort of like Drumpfs repeated tweets. The bottom line is that it is sickening seeing the endless repetition of "Anglo History Only" as the model that public education should use. Language is not the issue here--the issue is do you present history as a rich, moving and developing tapestry of rights and wrongs, causes and effects and interactions between peoples and genders and political parties and etc.? Or do you present it as a monocolor story that ends at the second world war (the last one we "won"---think about that please) and still has elementary school kids reading the same damned white male canon that I had to read fifty years ago? C'mon people, this is a no brainer. Pretending that critical people and thinkers and philosophies don't exist doesn't make them go away. Ignoring Marxism doesn't make it NOT one of the most relevant economic systems to a huge number of people in the world--it only makes you ignorant. Our recent Presidential election is a real slam to the education system in this country and the return and reinvigoration of programs like MAS are essential to turn it and this country around.

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Posted by Betts Putnam-Hidalgo on 07/27/2017 at 8:27 AM

Re: “A Few Thoughts On the Mexican American Studies Trial

Remember the story of the tower of Babel. In a multicultural society you need a common language to make your support systems (in this case anything associated with the economy and health) to run smoothly. So the argument for learning English is in fact an argument for get further in life."English only" is a shunt. In other words it is limiting and abrasive. I read part of the argument for the the Huppenthal and Horne side saying the MAS program taught "what to think rather than how to think". I have not seen the MAS program so I would only point out that if in fact that is true, then the MAS literature should be edited to teach how to think. Teaching what to think creates isolationism and leads to smaller economic groups which will stunt the communities growth.
and finally based on reading these comments some of you need to back up a bit and think about how to make this work. The court ruling is is going to be an opinion that will be used for hard law. if your lucky the ruling will give you something to measure with and come to a decent conclusion.

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Posted by Pat on 07/27/2017 at 5:53 AM

Re: “Tour Diaries! XIXA Day 13: Italian Thieves! XIXA Tour Van Busted Into, Gear Ripped Off.

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Posted by domenico carriero on 07/27/2017 at 4:38 AM

Re: “A Few Thoughts On the Mexican American Studies Trial

Huppenthal seems to forget that this counties fore fathers spoke multiple languages and encouraged it because if further proved you didn't have to be rich from a good family to be an educated gentleman. Worries me he is so focused on English only, yes it's a key to success but it's not a corner stone. Plus US history books kinda skip over how they broke their own treaties and laws to steal land. Maybe he can explain to me how a little less then half a million in acres is taken legally from the original inhabitants? Plus wish my grandmother was still alive so he could to tell her the lynching of her grandfather was legal. Maybe he can explain to her why she wasn't allowed to buy that land back let alone any unless specifically designated, till civil rights movement. Horne might be able to answer me how I go about requesting for our ancestors to be exhumed off land that was theirs, but belongs to the state and private owners...but these are just problems for those whose families have been here for generations before the deceleration of independence.

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Posted by Adam Martinez on 07/26/2017 at 10:01 PM

Re: “A Few Thoughts On the Mexican American Studies Trial

Your're a coward John Huppenthal! A mentiroso who seems to always have the time to defend your racist blogs! You have no clue about what MAS was or who the teachers were that taught the classes and never bothered to talk to us to our faces about the concerns you had. In our community, which you claim to know so much about, we call that type of person a sin verguenza! You looked like a punk ass little chavala on the stand...a disgraced and despicable politico that CAN NEVER STOP LA RAZA!

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Posted by Alexandro Escamilla on 07/26/2017 at 9:43 PM

Re: “A Few Thoughts On the Mexican American Studies Trial

I can't help wondering if Huppenthal put a poster of Albert Einstein on the wall! Since posters have such power.

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Posted by gcb1 on 07/26/2017 at 9:38 PM

Re: “Jogger Plans Half-Day Run To Support No More Deaths

Blow it out your ass.

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Posted by CW13 on 07/26/2017 at 9:16 PM

Re: “A Few Thoughts On the Mexican American Studies Trial

As a longtime successful educator, I remain highly skeptical of Huppenthal's self-aggrandized statement of his superior teaching capability and knowledge of effective pedagogy. I thought in court he testified that 5 African-American students in unnamed grade levels in an unidentified setting under his tutelage each solved 50,000 math problems. Now it is four in his statement. Whoop-de-do. Without much more serious description of location, grade level, materials used, hours devoted to practice, types of problems encountered and solved, and "fun doing it," we have no proof at all that he is doing anything remarkable. Was this done in a regular classroom setting with other students involved as well? Were the boys sitting at computers playing "Number Munchers" or "Fraction Munchers?" Does he use a variety of teaching materials? Are the students working and developing word problems or just doing worksheets or pressing arrows on a computer? How is he measuring grade level progression? And where is his control group that proves his method is superior? Most of Huppenthal's testimony was just as specious as that little diversion he tried to make.

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Posted by gcb1 on 07/26/2017 at 9:16 PM

Re: “A Few Thoughts On the Mexican American Studies Trial

It's frightening that someone who can't lay off the racist dog whistles to save his life is teaching anybody anything. Today, it's the overture from "English Only" as if that issue is in anyway pertinent. The MAS trial was an object lesson, facilitated by the State, in how much programs like MAS are needed for our kids. I can't wait to read the transcript.

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Posted by Elizabeth Ferrari on 07/26/2017 at 8:43 PM

Re: “A Few Thoughts On the Mexican American Studies Trial

Because of course John Huppenthal would comment...that's what racist-fallen-elected-official-internet-trolls do.

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Posted by Ryan Kelly on 07/26/2017 at 7:52 PM
Posted by Three Sonorans on 07/26/2017 at 7:13 PM

Re: “A Few Thoughts On the Mexican American Studies Trial

I think he just outed you David.

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Posted by Amigos de Quatro on 07/26/2017 at 7:10 PM

Re: “A Few Thoughts On the Mexican American Studies Trial

Again with Ben Franklin, John? I wonder why that bothers you so much. If the man owned your ancestors, if they were his personal property, and all around him others were treating people like your ancestors as property, as animals over whom they had the right of life or death without any legal repercussions, as nothing more than useful machinery, that wouldn't bother you? If you could shrug your shoulders about that -- "Oh well, that's life, it's the way things were back then" -- you either have ice water in your veins or you have no self awareness.

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Posted by David Safier on 07/26/2017 at 6:53 PM

Re: “A Few Thoughts On the Mexican American Studies Trial

David, you are showing your bigotry.

The number one predictor for an immigrant's success in the United States is their knowledge of English. We were developing Balkins in Phoenix with billboards in Spanish and literature in some neighborhoods completely in Spanish. You could have neighborhoods where children never encounter English until they reach school. That's an economic curse to a lesser future.

I grew up and went to school in an overwhelmingly Hispanic neighborhood in Tucson. All of my buddies went on to graduate from college, an almost statistical impossibility from such a high poverty, high crime neighborhood. Marcelino Lucero is a pharmacist, Richard Sanchez became an athletic director, James Ortega became a vocational education teacher, Stella Peralta became a elementary school principal, Luis Rodriguez became an Avionics Engineer.

The one common denominator is that they all became very articulate in English - the best predictor of economic success better than a high school diploma, better than a college degree.

You know when researchers do that thing they call a specification, i.e. body weight is a function of height. Earnings is a function of HS diploma, College Diploma, English scores. English scores win.

My comments are antiracist. Concerned about the future of these kids. You are expressing what president Bush referred to as the bigotry of low expectations and the lack of discipline needed to escape extreme poverty.

Those of us who escaped extreme poverty know what it takes and want every one of these kids to have the great chances we had.

Those MAS classes were toxic and racist. They weren't Mexican American studies classes, they were designed to be an indoctrination into Marxism. One of directors made no bones about it. He wrote a research journal article directly stating his intent. He was going to "racimize" the classroom - apply the Marx framework of the oppressed being Hispanics and the Oppressor being Caucasians. That's racist and hateful.

They were direct about it. In their model classroom, they had this big poster of Che Guvera who shot 14,000 Cubans in the back of the head for their ideas and speech alone.

That's who they were glorifying.

They described Benjamin Franklin as a racist. The founding father who helped create schools for African Americans, who associated with, published the ideas of and encouraged every leading abolitionist of the 18th century, and himself the President of the Pennsylvania abolitionist society.

You are deceiving people about what was going on in those classrooms. You are deceiving people about me.

I now devote my life to teaching students of color and poverty mathematics. Many of them from the highest crime, highest poverty zipcode in Arizona, the same way those nuns devoted their lives to helping students and me in South Tucson.

Four of my students this year made 4 years of academic progress. In one year, passing the scores of Caucasians. To do it, they did over 50,000 math problems each, having fun in the process. My slowest student did over 10,000 math problems. By eight grade, all will surpass Caucasian performance at this pace.

The idea that you propagate, that these students are ineducable, that the households that they come from permanently limit them, that is the ultimate racist idea. That current results are the best we can do.

Look in the mirror buddy. Your are the racist.

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Posted by on 07/26/2017 at 6:07 PM

Re: “A Few Thoughts On the Mexican American Studies Trial

TL/DR: The public schools should not be teaching critical race scholarship to high school students. There will be plenty of opportunity to learn how to hate white people in college.

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Posted by Nathan K on 07/26/2017 at 4:30 PM

Re: “Jogger Plans Half-Day Run To Support No More Deaths

Not at all Surprised!!!

Jerry is a GREAT Guy and Teacher. Thank you Jerry for your Dedication as a Teacher and your help in STOPPING this tragic lose of Human Life along the US/Mexican Border, Immigration Reform....and..."that it is through Love that we can Transform Ourselves and Human Society"!!!

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Posted by Francis Saitta on 07/26/2017 at 4:26 PM

Re: “A Few Thoughts On the Mexican American Studies Trial

Historically, one of the roles of public schools was to socialize and acculturate students into the dominant political culture. It was expected that children would be taught patriotism. This is why, for example, the Supreme Court has long upheld the constitutionality of requiring public school teachers to swear loyalty oaths to the U.S. constitution - teachers were the first representatives of our collective civic culture to school children. Teachers were expected to be pro-American propagandists. This was right and normal.

This role was particularly important for the assimilation of first and second generation immigrant children. If you want an anecdotal treatment of that, read Victor Davis Hanson's "Mexifornia" - it's a quick read, can be done in an afternoon - where he relates his observations about how public schools in 1950s California intentionally and systematically broke down students' Mexican identity and replaced it with an American one. The result was a much better assimilated Mexican population than we have today.

As critical theory has spread like a poisonous fungus throughout the Academy, and especially though the teaching colleges (recall that weather underground bomber Bill Ayers is an education professor today), this role of education has been rejected. Children are not taught to be American. America, after all, is evil. It is built on slavery, genocide, patriarchal misogyny, anti-Semitism, LBGTQXYZ phobia and, I suppose, kicking puppies. No one should identify as an American. (Or alternatively, anyone who wants to come here becomes an American by placing their feet on our soil). Rather, one should adopt some other tribal identity - black, trans, feminist, La Raza Cosmica, etc. Read Freire's Pedagogy of the Oppressed - it's all there.

That is destructive. It creates social strife. It is a disservice to the student and society in general. The State should be entitled to stop it. In a serious society concerned with its own survival, this would not even be a question. But of course, ours has long since ceased being a serious society.

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Posted by Nathan K on 07/26/2017 at 4:23 PM

Re: “Cinema Clips: Killing Ground

The reviews for this movie on Rotten Tomatoes really seem to be of the variety that it's basically a horrible movie that portrays violence with no purpose other than to shock. No thanks...

Posted by JCC on 07/26/2017 at 3:16 PM

Re: “McCain Returns to Senate To Push Mystery GOP Healthcare Bill Forward

Ok let's make MORE amendments ha ha

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Posted by Grandma Suzy on 07/26/2017 at 3:07 PM

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