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Re: “Koch Brothers Infiltrate Pima County Schools With a High School Econ Course

The difference between the MAS program and the Koch program is that one indicates that it is teaching a particular lens on history, and does not pretend to teach all history. The other, however, DOES totalize itself--that is, it purports to teach Ethics, Economy and Entrepreneurship without at all indicating that it is teaching a LIBERTARIAN ethics (?!) including a very one sided Economy and Entrepreneurship. Other than that, though, the writer is correct above--the course was "approved" on a day that there was no Board meeting (as confirmed by Mary Alice Wallace who knows the schedules and the archives) and the textbook appears to have only been confirmed by being bought and paid for (according to FOIA information). According to publisher and Freedom Center information, the course can only be offered in high schools where the administration has committed, prior to its teachers taking the summer 2015 workshop, to hold the course--so one wonders who, during the Sanchez administration, offered so many assurances that the class would be held. Of course given the revolving door of friends from Texas and local administrators, many with very questionable qualifications for those jobs, there is no one from that era left at 1010 in those positions who can answer for how the course ever got authorized to begin with. But Board authorization, unless gathered in famous Board one on one's, never took place.

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Posted by Betts Putnam-Hidalgo on 10/16/2017 at 5:51 AM

Re: “Koch Brothers Infiltrate Pima County Schools With a High School Econ Course

Why did the Koch family become involved in politics? Fred Koch, the father of the infamous Koch brothers, went to Russia in the 1930s to sell them oil refinery technology and befriended many communists. He was there when the purges began and personally witnessed his friends first purged from the communist party and then shot dead in the middle of the night.

The Russian archives now show the plans to murder tens of thousands of Russians. In the margins are Stalin's notes "not enough."

The fathers, mothers, and grandparents of the UofA professors protesting the Koch brother centers thought it was cute and chic to be "fellow travelers" of Stalin in his mission to spread communism to the United States.

Paradoxically, the Koch brothers have created a true communist heaven in the Koch industries, not the evil conception of Karl Marx. In Koch industries, bosses don't reign supreme, they are held accountable to their subordinates and evaluated by them.

As a result, they have proven that "right creates might." People like working for them so much that over 100,000 have chosen to do so. In a country with over a million companies, they are one of the 100 largest.

Our intellectually corrupt universities would never tolerate such creative thought. Have the professors evaluate the Deans? Ha! Not in this lifetime.

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Posted by on 10/15/2017 at 3:19 PM

Re: “Koch Brothers Infiltrate Pima County Schools With a High School Econ Course

They are promoting right thinking about the economy.

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Posted by David Bergeron on 10/15/2017 at 12:31 AM

Re: “Koch Brothers Infiltrate Pima County Schools With a High School Econ Course

Why not just stick with Obamaeconomics? Eight years no results.

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Posted by Jonathon K on 10/14/2017 at 7:46 PM

Re: “The Fix Is In: Free Spay and Neuter Event Hits Town This Weekend

Would it be wonderful if Trump minions and Trump himself could be Politically Spayed or Neutered so as to prevent them from Transmitting their Political Poison that is Destroying the the very fabric of our Democracy and Leading this Country into World War Three.?

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Posted by Francis Saitta on 10/14/2017 at 12:09 PM

Re: “Koch Brothers Infiltrate Pima County Schools With a High School Econ Course

Dearest Commenters, one word: homeschooling.

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Posted by on 10/14/2017 at 11:34 AM

Re: “Town and County Officials Say Supervisor Miller is Misleading the Public on Bond Issue

Well the County Administrator never met a tax he didn't like and Supervisor Miller never met a tax she did like, so I doubt we will get much rational discussion from either of them.
Sadly, Oro Valley has a poor record when it comes to spending tax dollars. Rather than spend money to improve sports facilities for families and children, the town government has wasted millions of dollars and imposed a sales tax to purchase and maintain a failing golf course and a run down community center building.

Now the town, with the support of big money developers, is attempting to pass a bond (prop 454) which will be paid for by a town property tax. The Naranja Park improvement plan includes infrastructure improvements which go far beyond a few sports fields. The true purpose of the improvements is not to help children but to develop a "sports tourism" complex. The ethics of using children and youth sports to mask the town government's agenda of building a gold plated sports center is stunning.

If you live in Oro Valley do not vote for Prop 454. We can continue to improve Naranja Park on a pay as you go basis, without a property tax.

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Posted by Gandalf on 10/14/2017 at 8:39 AM

Re: “Koch Brothers Infiltrate Pima County Schools With a High School Econ Course

Yup, in the case of MAS apparently its fine to teach high schoolers that Republicans hate Latinos and fine to fail to pony up the details of exactly what curricular materials were included in a curriculum taught in a publicly funded school, but God forbid people on the other side of the political spectrum should try to slip their politically skewed, tendentious ideas into the high school curriculum.

This Freedom Institute program is exactly the kind of right-wing counter that will be summoned as a response to instances of left-wing curricular bias. And the argument will be you promoted your views in that curriculum, were promoting ours in this one; its a free country, the contest is on: let the best man (or the best funded man?) win.

(In the non-stop partisan ideological warfare this country is engaged in, we seem to have lost track of the idea that the entire spectrum of ideas should be taught responsibly and dispassionately in high school social science courses that present them all and allow students to weigh the pros and cons and think for themselves. And to ensure that this is whats happening not partisan indoctrination of either the left or right variety what the content of the course is and where it is being taught and whose funding supported the development of the curriculum should be 100% transparent to anyone who cares to inquire.)

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Posted by Lacking consistency, as usual. on 10/13/2017 at 4:58 PM

Re: “Town and County Officials Say Supervisor Miller is Misleading the Public on Bond Issue

Oh my gosh! The public has never been misled on a Huckleberry Bond Issue before have they? Or any PC or COT Bond Issue?

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Posted by Wayne Olson on 10/13/2017 at 4:55 PM

Re: “Koch Brothers Infiltrate Pima County Schools With a High School Econ Course

Somebody is OD'ing on fake news. Get a grip...

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Posted by Wayne Olson on 10/13/2017 at 4:54 PM

Re: “Koch Brothers Infiltrate Pima County Schools With a High School Econ Course

This moral panic from a supporter of MAS is pretty rich.

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Posted by Nathan K on 10/13/2017 at 11:56 AM

Re: “Better Late Than Never: 1968 Film Makes World Premiere

I am so glad you rescued that film, Jere! Someone from Vermont Academy sent this article to my father; yesterday when I was visiting my parents he told me about the article and I told him that I remember the summer vividly but the only person whose name I remember was "a guy named 'Jerry' Michaels". You can imagine his surprise! I grew up at Vermont Academy where my father was the headmaster from 1964 to 1977. I was 14 the summer of 1968. Vermont Academy was an all boys prep school at that time with no opportunity for girls. Jere introduced me to modern dance, and told my mother that "your daughter has a big talent." I went on to dance through high school and college, and am dancing still! I can't wait to see the film when it is shown back east! Thank you, Jere!

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Posted by Ellie Anderson on 10/13/2017 at 4:30 AM

Re: “Gabby Giffords on Las Vegas Mass Shooting: "This Must Stop"

Afraid to tell me where?

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Posted by CW13 on 10/11/2017 at 2:01 PM

Re: “Gabby Giffords on Las Vegas Mass Shooting: "This Must Stop"

Hey, tiger. I left a little something for you on another comment thread. xoxo

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Posted by Peabo on 10/11/2017 at 1:16 PM

Re: “Gabby Giffords on Las Vegas Mass Shooting: "This Must Stop"

Obviously a typo. That still doesn't answer my question. That's O.K. Peabrain, his "friend" Miss Francis and dozens and dozens of other anonymous dislikers couldn't either. How sad.

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Posted by CW13 on 10/11/2017 at 1:12 PM

Re: “Some Charter Schools Pay Students To Enroll, Or Get Their Friends To Enroll

Nothing again but insults. We know why. No solutions.

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Posted by Wayne Olson on 10/11/2017 at 9:49 AM

Re: “Some Charter Schools Pay Students To Enroll, Or Get Their Friends To Enroll

bsinn, Where do you think the money comes from for Charter Schools.? Typical Republican, too stupid to comprehend that the Tax Payer who owns property is indirectly paying for Charter Schools. But then maybe you are just one of tRump's Russian Commie Hackers trying to thrown fuel on the fire. If you ignorant conservatives would get your heads out of Faux Snooze's azz maybe you would realize that you know very little information about a lot of situations and problems.

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Posted by Beneal Good on 10/11/2017 at 7:39 AM

Re: “Some Charter Schools Pay Students To Enroll, Or Get Their Friends To Enroll

Many programs opt to forego traditional advertising, and instead provide incentives to everyday people who help spread the word about excellent programs.

This marketing strategy is a more efficient way of money use, especially for those on a limited budget -- instead of spending millions on a Superbowl ad -- incentives based advertising reaches the audience that is more likely to use the services.

P.S. Public School Districts use portions of their budget (from state funds) to pay for Individuals who promote their School District -- they are called Media Relations Specialists (or something similar).

Public School Districts also lock themselves into contracts with vendors that result in $5 reams of paper, rather than paying $1 from a non-approved vendor during Back-to-School Sales.

Finally, Public School Districts *do* have the option of expelling students, and choosing who they accept -- for example, students must take admission tests for entering TUSD's University High.

Yes, we should be mindful about losing services for the poorest of the poor due to lack of proper funding; we should also be mindful that we should be reviewing spending practices to assure they the best. We should not be afraid of trying new marketing strategies that benefit stakeholders.

Incentive spending is not the problem. Let us identify the real problem, and find real solutions:

Let us educate our children, and teach them about attitude, creativity, vision, and courage. This will improve young minds.

#OurTucson #OurChildren #OurFuture #InvestInOurFuture

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Posted by FeliciaChew19 on 10/11/2017 at 6:32 AM

Re: “Some Charter Schools Pay Students To Enroll, Or Get Their Friends To Enroll

Since Charters don't have the benefit of the monopoly power of tax payer supported public schools, I guess they have to try harder. As any marketer knows, getting trial is not hard, but it doesn't pay out if triers don't become loyalists. So the real question is do they get better grades than they deserve to get them to stay ?

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Posted by bsinn on 10/11/2017 at 6:21 AM

Re: “Film On Poisoned U.S. Soldiers Coming To Loft

I agree with skinnyman. I wish a celebrity would take a knee and bring awareness to the criminal negligence our own Dept of Defense gets away with all the time.

People are more outraged at football players using their right to peacefully protest social injustice that is happening in America. They claim disrespect for veterans which is ridiculous since our veterans have fought for our rights to peacefully protest. These same people enraged about kneeling don't say a word about the blatant DISRESPECT the Dept of Defense and the VA show their soldiers EVERY DAY!!!

Using burn pits and lying about it is criminal. Someone needs to be charged with needlessly killing thousands and thousands of our men and women in uniform. That won't happen though. Too much money going into the pockets of too many of our politicians.

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Posted by Susan Weber Zeier on 10/11/2017 at 5:19 AM

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