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Re: “Guero Canelo Has Won a James Beard Award

I read in my morning paper that Daniel Contreras credits the success of his Sonoran hot dogs to the buns. He has the ones for El Guero Canelo made in Magdalena, Sonora!

Posted by JCC on 01/19/2018 at 6:05 PM

Re: “Where I Went Wrong in My Earlier Budget Post

"[I]t's important to distinguish between money dedicated to improving the [K-12] education of students across the state and money going to a few, mostly affluent districts." Yes, that's true. Good analysis, David Safier. Thanks much.

And yet, in the broader context, there's a sense in which old school liberals like Safier are people who urge us to keep mopping the floor, failing to notice that the house is burning down. They pointlessly organize themselves to register voters while the Republicans redistrict and take over both houses of Congress, the Presidency and the Supreme Court. They flog the same old "K-12 public school funding adequacy and equalization" project, missing the fact that what has happened with pricing of higher ed and the student loan "industry" has made it impossible for large cohorts of people who work for a living to devote time to advocacy projects that tinker with universal K-12 funding adequacy and equalization; the cost of higher ed forces too much time-consuming damage control with their own children's education and economic prospects. (And they shoot themselves in the foot with their "funding adequacy!" cause when they chronically fail to hold the politicians in control of some troubled, urban public districts accountable for ensuring the proper application of the inadequate funds that are granted to them, leaving parents in those districts doubly-punished, first by inadequate funding at the state level and then by improper application of the limited funds available in their children's mismanaged and malfunctioning public schools. But God forbid those doubly-punished parents should be allowed to apply their tax-derived per-pupil funding in schools that actually function properly and educate their children. To grant that they should be allowed to do so is a heresy punishable by excommunication from the "liberal" (?) tribe.)

To return to the main point, about the effect of higher ed costs on the overall "equity in education" project: Cost of attending that "public" bastion of free speech and student activism, UC Berkeley, for out-of-state students is, like all top-tier American universities, "public" and private: over $60K per year. Look it up, crusaders for social justice. While you're at it, look up the University of Michigan and UCLA: same story. In-state cost of attendance at the U of A is a bargain by comparison: only $25K per year, but this is still much higher than it used to be as a percent of average income and it is nowhere near what the state constitution says it should be, "as nearly free as possible." Some "merit aid" (essentially discounting) occurs based on student merit and a few well-endowed institutions can afford to grant need-based aid that doesn't load students up with debt. The existence of this reality post-K-12 forces shifts in the behaviors of people in the K-12 system. People with knowledge of what higher ed has become don't have the luxury of letting their neighborhood public school do what it does and be what it is: they have to look for ways to boost their neighborhood school's performance by securing supplementary funding (through lobbying Ducey for "performance based funding" or through District 13 and 16 private foundations to supplement funding or through public school tax credits, which go disproportionately to affluent district), or they have to look for alternative charter or private settings that will enable their students to get into well endowed institutions and / or qualify for merit aid.

Bottom line is that you don't treat the symptom without addressing the cause. The sector that needs analysis and a smarter form of advocacy than Safier and his fellow travelers have thought to engage in is the loan-peddling sector which has inflated higher education costs by successfully pushing loans on students. This sector's sub-prime mortgage schemes which exploited the working poor blew up the entire economy in 2008 and now they've got new targets: not home owners, but anyone using the higher education system. If mainline Democrats don't start addressing this loan-peddling sector directly instead of continuing to advocate that we spend our time mopping up the increasing inequities that are its toxic byproducts in our K-12 public education system, soon the "universal education" project will be in ashes and there will no longer BE a floor for Safier and other 1960s-style liberals to insist we mop.

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Posted by "Toto, I've a feeling we're not in the 1960s any more." on 01/19/2018 at 10:07 AM

Re: “Governor, You're No Don Quixote.

Mr. Martin,

Thank you for speaking the truth about little waynie. Somebody has to.

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Posted by little waynie and the 99% need to get the big picture on 01/19/2018 at 8:20 AM

Re: “Where I Went Wrong in My Earlier Budget Post

Mr. Safier,

Please forgive Mr. Huppenthal. He never comprehends anything. What is really sad about that is he comes across an intelligent, although manipulative, person. I truly believe that he has selective comprehension. Which makes his commentary even sadder.

Pathetic even.

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Posted by Hupp needs to vanish. Canasta is a GREAT alternative! on 01/19/2018 at 7:56 AM

Re: “Where I Went Wrong in My Earlier Budget Post

John, I didn't state that the $88.1 million wasn't new spending. I said that the entire $88.1 million won't come out of this year's budget. It will be $5.1 million for the next 25 years. Of course it's new spending, but you can't add all of it to this year's total.

Two quotes from my post.
"That means every year for the next 25 years, $5.5 million for those schools will be part of the education budget."
"The budget includes $5.1 million for new school construction, not $88.1 million."

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Posted by David Safier on 01/19/2018 at 7:35 AM

Re: “Where I Went Wrong in My Earlier Budget Post

Face it Wayne, tRump called those countries shitholes.

Why are you ALWAYS defending tRump anyways?

Are you actually Sarah Huckabee Sanders?

6 likes, 1 dislike
Posted by Wayne Olson and the 99% need to get the big picture on 01/19/2018 at 7:02 AM

Re: “Where I Went Wrong in My Earlier Budget Post

Contrary to your rant, the $88.1 million is new spending. It may be borrowing at the state level but it is spending at the school level. The state will have to pay it back, not the schools.

In many years, all new education spending, capital and O&M is accomplished by borrowing at the state level.

The state is probably over $20 billion? in debt, that was all education spending. This entire package might be accomplished with new debt.

Because Arizona has had a strong economy and runs one of the top 5 most efficient and effective state governments, it can do this kind of thing.

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Posted by on 01/19/2018 at 6:56 AM

Re: “Where I Went Wrong in My Earlier Budget Post

Lets keep in mind that the state of AZ is the most corrupt state in this nation. (Harvard Study, 2014) Of course Ducey wants to look good and will say anything to make himself such. Just like all of them. No harm no foul. Despite my differences with Safier at times, I find no "pattern" of him ever mis posting, with intent to deceive the reader, as I see with most journalist or "journalist/commentator". The error on Mr. Safier's post, is only supporting the corruptness that goes on within the state. I thank him for the fix. Only those who read his stories consistently, know his pattern. He may lean slightly to his left, but, it's his right as well to write. Right?

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Posted by Martin on 01/19/2018 at 3:23 AM

Re: “Where I Went Wrong in My Earlier Budget Post

I'm sorry to hear about your vision problems, Wayne. Maybe one day there WILL be a cure.

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Posted by someguy on 01/18/2018 at 8:30 PM

Re: “Where I Went Wrong in My Earlier Budget Post

You should be ashamed David. After chastising me, I have waited a week to see if there were any sources to confirm Dick Durbin's claim of what President Trump said regarding "other countries."

As of 3:19 PM Nevada time today, there has not been a confirmation. But there have been three separate denials. Either not said or not heard.

"Hatred causes blindness which can not be cured."

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Posted by Wayne Olson on 01/18/2018 at 3:22 PM

Re: “Everybody in Arizona Is For Education

As well as for everybody should be for peace in the world, everybody should perceive the best level of education. I think that people who have understood this simple truth in Arizona are very wise. These are the people who have realized the value of education and they can truly say that they are continuous learners. These people can inspire and motivate others to do so as well. I am sure that students and learners of Arizona will only benefit from the fact that they could use the for all of their educational endeavors.

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Posted by Paulina Cameron on 01/17/2018 at 12:02 PM

Re: “Told You So: Gawker Names Arizona Worst State

Having lived in DeToilet (murder rate 2x Chicago) and lived in parts of Milwaukee where it is over 50% Afro-American and the murder rate is same as Chicago (Chicongo), considering that the murder rate in Phoenix is only 10, which is 1/4th DeToilet, yeah, you might want to rethink how bad life in AZ really is. Also, Flagstaff was noted, but the White Mountains, from Payson to Alpine, over 100 miles, is far better, including a ski resort with nearly 2,000 feet verticals. The authors ignorance is obvious, unless he likes murder and rape and all the other glorious activities common in SHITHOLES like DETROIT (and HAITI, etc.).

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Posted by OdinVonTogan on 01/17/2018 at 10:56 AM

Re: “Will Congress Find an Agreement That Protects the DREAMers From Deportation?

Whether or not the Dreamers receive protection sits squarely in the laps of Democrats. Not everyone is going to get everything they want out of this deal. It's called compromise. But, it's the Democrats that will be saying NO to the Dreamers if they walk away from the table over enhanced border security and other immigration reform.

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Posted by Truth on 01/16/2018 at 4:29 PM

Re: “All School Districts Are Not Created Equal in Ducey's Budget

...but while you're working on trying to get Harvard to give up some of its endowment to SUNY-Purchase, please DO keep shedding light on the inequities within the public system. You might even want to start calling performance-based funding "welfare for the rich." All this is very helpful in breaking down that false dichotomy between "public" and "private" and debunking the notion that tax-derived funds are somehow more appropriately (or equitably) applied in privileged "public district" schools like Fruchthendler (or any school in District 13) rather than in privileged charters like Basis or privileged privates like Castle Hill. Every sector of K-12 is shot through with inequities and in a society with an economic system (and higher education system) like ours, it will remain so. Take a look at "public" middle school and high school admissions in NYC some time if the local disparities are not stark enough for you and you want an even more depressing vision of what the "public" system in the U.S. really is.

Moral of the story is that fiddling with the superstructure when you can't change the base is setting yourself a never-ending whack-a-mole task: as soon as you hammer one down, another one pops up, because it's the structure of the system that creates the problem. Meanwhile, those who prefer to avoid Sisyphean tasks would be well advised to invest money and time where it counts: in their children, rather than in pointless advocacy with a broken public system. Put your child in the school that will best serve their needs, and in Arizona, apply tax credits or ESAs to the greatest extent possible. Higher ed at the institutions it will most benefit students to attend is more than $60K per year and it is highly unlikely that anyone is going to cut your kid a break on college costs. Merit aid scarcely exists and "need-based aid" at most institutions assumes parents should re-mortgage their homes at age 50+ and students should take on tens of thousands of dollars of debt. That's the reality, and the notion that anything can be forced to become "equitable" within this overall context is simply absurd.

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Posted by P.S. on extending the utopian project... on 01/16/2018 at 11:29 AM

Re: “All School Districts Are Not Created Equal in Ducey's Budget

Hey, David -- do Amherst and other schools in the Ivy League have larger endowments than other institutions of higher education? Do schools with larger endowments offer more need-based aid? Do some of them have financial aid policies that guarantee to meet student need without loading undergraduates up with tens of thousands of dollars of un-dismissable student loan debt? Why don't you work on that project, the project of equalizing higher ed: all colleges and universities should have the same resources, so that whether or not your K-12 education prepares you to get into one of the good ones does not make such a huge difference to your employment and professional school prospects and the extent to which you graduate from college indentured to the banking system.

Good luck with that. Until you accomplish it, you will not stop parents with resources investing them (or lobbying through their relationships and connections for public funds to be invested) in their children's K-12 schools.

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Posted by Extend the utopian project to higher ed, then do K-12. on 01/16/2018 at 9:48 AM

Re: “All School Districts Are Not Created Equal in Ducey's Budget

Does this mean that Santa Rita High School is NOT under attack from Vail school district or Mr. Clodfelter's new proposal? In other words, Vail might have enough money to build that high school that it needs?

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Posted by Betts Putnam-Hidalgo on 01/16/2018 at 7:35 AM

Re: “On Trump’s Watch, Another Surge of Unaccompanied Minors at The Border

Looks like Milton Friedman was right... open borders and welfare states are incompatible. For these younger folks, we seem to have open borders. And we are definitely a welfare state ( SNAP, Medicaid, rent subsidies, etc). Any serious estimate of what this costs the US and AZ taxpayers and future taxpayers ( debt) during the lifetime of these "visitors" ? It is difficult to make a living for drop outs of US schools, I imagine it is nearly impossible for a drop out of a Guatemalan schools. So they will become wards of the state. It's unfortunate that they don't care for their birth home, but there must be a limit to the US taxpayer generosity.

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Posted by bsinn on 01/16/2018 at 6:39 AM

Re: “All School Districts Are Not Created Equal in Ducey's Budget

Re. "All Schools Not Created Equal ... ", nothing is created equal and very little is fair. So what's an effective strategy for Tucson schools getting more than their share? How do we manipulate the system?

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Posted by DennyG on 01/16/2018 at 6:24 AM

Re: “Will Congress Find an Agreement That Protects the DREAMers From Deportation?

The raise act is dead. Congress is never going to cut immigration in half for any kid of compromise.

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Posted by Palisades on 01/15/2018 at 11:54 AM

Re: “T.H.R.E.A T. Watch: Immigration, Libel, Treason

Hey Trumpuppets! Agent Orange is just getting started with his Destroy America First Agenda. His primary order of business was to destroy everything that President Obama approved. This all came about after Obama embarrassed tRump at the White House Correspondence Dinner in April, 2011. Orange Orangutan Revenge is relentless. Now that Obama's presidential history has been eliminated it's time for Egomaniac Orange to go after his other pet peeves, undocumented workers, Illegal immigrants, Muslims, and anyone not of the Aryan Brotherhood. As a trade-off tRump made his deals with the Republicans in congress to go after their pet peeves after his were dealt with. The first was mutual, The Affordable Care Act,(that means Obama Care for you Trumparrots). Now The Great Orange Douche Bag has to help the Republicans cripple or destroy Social Security , Medicare, and Medicaid. These programs to help the poor and middle class have been a red hot Thorn in the Republican Party's brain since Franklin D. Roosevelt initiated their existence in the 1930's. The GIANT TAX OVERHAUL is the initial step for this objective. While the poor and middle class are given a pittance, the wealthy are dancing in the streets about their newly acquired wealth. The loss of REVENUE, 1.7 TRILLION DOLLARS over the next ten years will necessitate the reduction or elimination of many government programs. Donald the Damned will save 40 MILLION DOLLARS a year because of the legislation he signed into law. I have no sympathy for the people who voted for tRump once they realize he is eliminating their incomes and their medical options. If they are too ignorant or stupid to realize that the Republican agenda has been to eliminate Social Security and Medicare for 75 years then they have signed their own death warrants.

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Posted by Beneal Good on 01/15/2018 at 10:52 AM

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