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Re: “Gabby Giffords: Today's Congressional Shooting 'Is an Attack on All Who Serve and on All Who Participate in our Democracy'

Yes I have one. Who killed all the cops last summer?

And I thought of a second one.

If all guns were outlawed, how would angry, violent people kill?

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Posted by R King on 06/15/2017 at 2:21 PM

Re: “Gabby Giffords: Today's Congressional Shooting 'Is an Attack on All Who Serve and on All Who Participate in our Democracy'

Here's the only thing you really need to know about this shooter: HE WAS AN ANGRY, VIOLENT WHITE MAN WITH GUNS.

And that places him in the most common demographic of mass shooter and the most common demographic of terrorist in this country. Angry, violent white men with guns pick all sorts of things to inflame and target their rage. Sure, this guy supported Bernie, but most of them are drawn to Tchump (because he speaks their language and purposely exploits their rage), but this really is not an issue of left or right. It's an issue of angry, violent white men with guns. This guy had a history of violence and irresponsible gun use, yet he was still armed to the teeth. THAT is the problem--not political parties or uncivil rhetoric or TV shows or anything else but that.

Any questions??

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Posted by skinnyman on 06/15/2017 at 2:11 PM

Re: “Gabby Giffords: Today's Congressional Shooting 'Is an Attack on All Who Serve and on All Who Participate in our Democracy'

Correction: the group was called Terminate the Republican Party. Any questions?

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Posted by YouCantHandleTheTruth on 06/15/2017 at 12:14 PM

Re: “Gabby Giffords: Today's Congressional Shooting 'Is an Attack on All Who Serve and on All Who Participate in our Democracy'

JCC - How can you say that it's not a Democratic or Republican thing when he specifically asked people before the shooting whether there were Democrats or Republicans on the field after stalking the field previously? Do you honestly think that, given his documented history for hating "Trump and Co." (his words) and belonging to a group called Terminate Trump that he would have shot Democrats? This was a premeditated, politically motivated act and all the spin in the world to deflect blame from the recent spate of high-profile, well-publicized Trump assassination fantasies can't change the facts.

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Posted by YouCantHandleTheTruth on 06/15/2017 at 12:10 PM

Re: “Trial Over TUSD's Mexican American Studies to Begin in Tucson June 26

This has to qualify as one of the most meaningless trials in history. Contrary to your story, TUSD was never under any obligation to dismantle MAS. What they had an obligation to do and what they were given time to do was to clean it up and publicly adopt a curriculum at the board level.

Is this judge really going to give them permission to violate state law again and reestablish a program without school board review and school board control of the curriculum? Allow outside entities to control lesson plans? Allow teaching to go in classrooms that disappeared when the auditors showed up? If you are proud of what you are doing, display it to the world.

It the community really going to be comfortable with what was going on in those classrooms? These weren't ethnic studies, these were European studies, a guy by the name of Marx. Every single one of the books, all of Paulo Freire works was simply a Marxian framework applied to all social situations and racial relations. As one obviously talented girl who testified in the Senate "I never knew I was oppressed until I took this class". Where is that framework going to take her in life? No place healthy. It is a philosophy of hate.

It's toxic and Central and South America are deeply in its grip. Their murder rate is 10 times that of the United States and they have very little prosperity. We have a different philosophy in the United States best summed up by the great coach John Wooden "Time spent getting even is better spent getting ahead."

For conservatives, this trial is a no lose situation. Even if we lose the trial, we will have a permanent example of why liberals can't be trusted to run so much as a lemonade stand. Bringing the MAS controversy back will cause a few hundred TUSD students of the 47 thousand to consume the time of the next TUSD superintendent almost certainly causing another leadership failure, further incite the destructive factions on the board and hasten the destruction of TUSD already down 14,000 students since 2000.

That might make for exciting politics but it will not make a good outcome for Arizona or Tucson.

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Posted by jhuppent@hotmail.com on 06/15/2017 at 12:05 PM

Re: “Gabby Giffords: Today's Congressional Shooting 'Is an Attack on All Who Serve and on All Who Participate in our Democracy'

The shooter had a history of violence against women, which often precedes mass shootings. This is not a Democratic or Republican thing, violence is neutral with respect to political orientation - it has been embraced by adherents of all political orientations. https://thinkprogress.org/mass-shooting-do…

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Posted by JCC on 06/15/2017 at 12:01 PM

Re: “Gabby Giffords: Today's Congressional Shooting 'Is an Attack on All Who Serve and on All Who Participate in our Democracy'

Tucson Weekly Reader - take a long, hard look in the mirror because this is what the left looks like to everyone who is not frothing at the mouth over Trump and the results of an election. You're welcome.

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Posted by YouCantHandleTheTruth on 06/15/2017 at 11:14 AM

Re: “Trial Over TUSD's Mexican American Studies to Begin in Tucson June 26

it's a bench trial

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Posted by Roque Planas on 06/15/2017 at 11:01 AM

Re: “Gabby Giffords: Today's Congressional Shooting 'Is an Attack on All Who Serve and on All Who Participate in our Democracy'

I fear going downtown. I was walking at night to the court house parking wife got out started to walk. When I caught up she was terrified and shaking back in the camping on the street. She wont go now had tickets to the Children's Museum.

I had a relative come into town to be picked up at the Rail Station was stalled for an hour getting around the GAY anti Trump thing of some type. Sister lives in Tualatin Oregon suburb of Portland went to see in February the Airport and access to the airport and from.

Yea America is a very very scary place now. There is absolute no truth being reported, what is being reported is who and why to hate. Then just one's own personal disgust is enough validate violence.

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Posted by Robert Ruckman 1 on 06/15/2017 at 10:58 AM

Re: “Gabby Giffords: Today's Congressional Shooting 'Is an Attack on All Who Serve and on All Who Participate in our Democracy'

Our Democracy is, as is any Democracy, inherently contentious in the competition of Political Ideologies; initially with the Federalists vs. Anti-Federalists; now with, generally Democrats vs. Republicans. We have developed, sadly and dangerously, into a "Democracy" that is controlled by powerful Financial Interests Groups that are using their money to "buy" "Politicians and Political Office" and, as a result, control the electoral process.......DONALD TRUMP!!!!!!!

The Current Extreme Political Polarization has, in the main, been created by the Extreme Vitriolic Rhetoric used by Donald Trump when he is in Disagreement with someone or has been Criticized. He is, in my view, Mentally Unstable, Unfit for Political Office, and hopefully, pending the outcome of Congressional Investigations, will be Removed from Office!!!!

But.....The American Voter needs to wake up and participate in the electoral process, at all levels of Government; using their notion of what is in the best interests of all US Citizens and their Understanding of our Constitutionally Protected Liberties. We will lose the latter if we do not.

22 likes, 8 dislikes
Posted by Francis Saitta on 06/15/2017 at 10:08 AM

Re: “Gabby Giffords: Today's Congressional Shooting 'Is an Attack on All Who Serve and on All Who Participate in our Democracy'

PBS reported that he was a gun owning small business operator that drank and got into bar fights. That's why I couldn't understand him shooting at republicans. But a Bernie supporter? Come on.

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Posted by Clarence D on 06/15/2017 at 10:05 AM

Re: “Gabby Giffords: Today's Congressional Shooting 'Is an Attack on All Who Serve and on All Who Participate in our Democracy'

Only a vile, vicious and vacuous right wing, conservative Trump asshole type of scumbag would write that last sentence.

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Posted by Tucson Weekly reader on 06/15/2017 at 9:51 AM

Re: “Gabby Giffords: Today's Congressional Shooting 'Is an Attack on All Who Serve and on All Who Participate in our Democracy'

Clarence D - The shooter was a Bernie supporter who idolized Rachel Maddow. And no, I am not making this up; it is being widely reported. However, I agree that he was probably pushed to the edge, but not by talk radio. Instead, he was manipulated by all the hateful imagery from the left including Madonna wanting to blow up the White House, Kathy Griffin's ISIS impression, Snoop Dog's video where he shoots Trump, Shakespeare in the Park's nightly knifing to death of a Trump lookalike, etc. The left embraces intolerance, hate, violence, and fascism, no matter what they say, and it manifested itself yesterday.

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Posted by YouCantHandleTheTruth on 06/15/2017 at 9:45 AM

Re: “Trial Over TUSD's Mexican American Studies to Begin in Tucson June 26

In the comment stream on his last blog, Safier was asked to watch the June 13 TUSD Board meeting and to honestly ask and answer for himself these questions: "Are this district's problems stemming only from insufficient funding? Will additional funding necessarily fix its problems?" I hope he will actually watch the meeting once it's been posted on the district's website and answer those questions. Among other things to be viewed in that Board meeting is an extended debate (really, "debate" is too dignified a term for that exchange -- "extended bicker" would be better) between Adelita Grijalva and Mark Stegeman about whether and to what extent nineteen administrator contracts had to be understood in detail by the Board before the Board voted to approve them. As usual, the matter was somewhat opaque. It wasn't entirely clear in what form the contracts had been received by Board members (and when) so that they could understand what they were voting on. Another interesting passage in the meeting was when the African American plaintiffs' representative spoke in the Call to the Audience, seeming to complain that students were being asked to pay out of pocket for summer coursework that should have been funded by desegregation and / or tax credit funds. It sounded like requests had been made for funding that should have been authorized that had not received a response.

There are parallels in the news coverage of Uber and the London subsidized housing fire with what many of us who have observed TUSD governance and administration hear as a chronic complaint of constituents in the district: whatever is done is done poorly, without following proper professional protocols, without sufficient regard for the truth, and without being responsive to constituent concerns. Those are serious problems in an educational institution serving close to 50,000 students. The community needs to hear constituents' concerns, understand them, and address them.

In this piece, Safier does the classic pivot to the only card he and other defenders of the district have to play: TUSD is the victim of evil Republicans, of their draconian funding cuts and their punitive and inappropriate response to Huerta's comment and the MAS curricula.

"Republicans hate Latinos." Whatever position you take on responsible social justice curricula -- I strongly support them -- how can we say that that statement is anything but false and defamatory? There are many aspects of Horne's and Huppenthal's and the Arizona legislature's response to the statement and to the MAS curricula that could and should be criticized, but perhaps we should also acknowledge that the statement that initiated the controversy never should have been made to a group of underage students participating in a publicly funded educational program. It is false and it is the kind of statement that will inspire unthinking prejudice rather than critical thinking and awareness of complexity, exactly the opposite of what we need students to learn in school.

I fully expect Safier and his network to use this trial and the mistakes made by the state in handling MAS
to play up their favorite theme: TUSD as a victim, Republicans as its evil persecutors.

Caveat emptor: the drama is a little more complicated than that, and if it's the best interests of students we hope to serve and defend, we'll need to learn to see shades of gray, spot malfeasance on both sides of the aisle, and reject attempts to rally the masses around simplistic black-and-white inflammatory statements and narratives.

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Posted by Caveat emptor. on 06/15/2017 at 9:20 AM

Re: “Trial Over TUSD's Mexican American Studies to Begin in Tucson June 26

MAS may be a good idea, but if run by the same band of activists, it's a bad idea. Using public money and children to accomplish your social engineering goals is pretty despicable.

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Posted by bslap on 06/15/2017 at 7:35 AM

Re: “14th Grade Is the New 12th Grade

Not one Republican legislator should dare say, "we just don't have the money," when they have billions in tax credits, tax exemptions, exemptions from sales and income taxes, corporate giveaways economic"freedom " programs, and millions for private schools laundered like drug money. (Voila! See its magically not public money anymore!). Every lost revenue item, surely essentially to the State economic development effort. Guess what Jay Lawrence, $500 million is only $500 per student statewide, moving us all the way up to 49th!

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Posted by Frances Perkins on 06/14/2017 at 10:28 PM

Re: “Trial Over TUSD's Mexican American Studies to Begin in Tucson June 26

Hey P Mason, from the sound of it, it could be a bench trial, not a jury trial.

Juries are finders of fact, not arbiters of law.

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Posted by Steve M on 06/14/2017 at 10:00 PM

Re: “Gabby Giffords: Today's Congressional Shooting 'Is an Attack on All Who Serve and on All Who Participate in our Democracy'

Clarence D, the New York Times says the suspect was distraught over Trump's election. I haven't read the whole piece, but he doesn't sound like a right-winger to me. Wackos can come from all over the political spectrum, IMHO.

Anyway, I'm glad to see that Giffords has slowly but surely made some recovery. I remember when she could barely speak in the wake of the shooting. We're all rooting for you, G.G. Don't give up.

32 likes, 1 dislike
Posted by Ex-Arizonan on 06/14/2017 at 5:18 PM

Re: “Gabby Giffords: Today's Congressional Shooting 'Is an Attack on All Who Serve and on All Who Participate in our Democracy'

This guy was probably a right wing wacko pushed to the edge by talk radio.

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Posted by Clarence D on 06/14/2017 at 3:31 PM

Re: “Gabby Giffords: Today's Congressional Shooting 'Is an Attack on All Who Serve and on All Who Participate in our Democracy'

Let us also remember in our prayers the following victims of our Democracy:

President Abraham Lincoln, as well as the families of: President John F Kennedy, Dr. Martin Luther King, and Senator Robert F Kennedy.

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Posted by Francis Saitta on 06/14/2017 at 2:38 PM

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