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Re: “Raising the CD2 Ante: Challenger Kirkpatrick Raises $350,000 in Third Quarter

Jim, this is basically a press release from the Kirkpatrick campaign. Do better.

13 likes, 5 dislikes
Posted by Phil Wilko on 10/06/2017 at 11:58 AM

Re: “Gabby Giffords on Las Vegas Mass Shooting: "This Must Stop"

Please learn to distinguish between anger and hate. Otherwise you sound like a child.

20 likes, 6 dislikes
Posted by Peabo on 10/06/2017 at 11:20 AM

Re: “Raising the CD2 Ante: Challenger Kirkpatrick Raises $350,000 in Third Quarter

Would love to know what percentage of McSally's money comes from CD2.

22 likes, 3 dislikes
Posted by Linda Ray 64 on 10/06/2017 at 10:19 AM

Re: “Raising the CD2 Ante: Challenger Kirkpatrick Raises $350,000 in Third Quarter

I'm looking forward to finding out what percentage of that money came from donors who actually live in CD2.

14 likes, 7 dislikes
Posted by Nathan K on 10/06/2017 at 10:03 AM

Re: “The Best Way To Get Results-Based Funding Is To Be Well-Off and White

You call it public education, but what proof do you have? How do you approach that question philosophically unless you know the maximum human potential of your students? How do you know, maybe you are only at 5%?

Can you call 5% education?

1 like, 5 dislikes
Posted by jhuppent@hotmail.com on 10/06/2017 at 9:58 AM

Re: “It Looks Like Gabby Giffords Is Going To Endorse Ann Kirkpatrick Today in 2018 Race Against McSally

Explain how the 20 or 30 million that have affordable health care, and are now victims in Las Vegas hospitals and are on Go Fund Me looking for donations to pay their medical expenses. Health care was more affordable before they made it affordable. People with pre existing conditions are now free to come and go as situations change, and they leave the true rate payers to be punished because of losses.

The ACA Marketplace has had 10.3 million sign up.

1 like, 2 dislikes
Posted by Wayne Olson on 10/06/2017 at 9:10 AM

Re: “Gabby Giffords on Las Vegas Mass Shooting: "This Must Stop"

Name calling displays a unique level of ignorance. And this is his plan to live in a world with people he disagrees with. Hatred is at the root of all of this. Like I said above there is plenty of hatred right here in the comments. And very few real solutions.

10 likes, 13 dislikes
Posted by Wayne Olson on 10/06/2017 at 9:03 AM

Re: “Gabby Giffords on Las Vegas Mass Shooting: "This Must Stop"

I repeat. Tell me what realistic law would have stopped the killings.

5 likes, 22 dislikes
Posted by CW13 on 10/06/2017 at 6:31 AM

Re: “The Weekly List: 25 Things To Do In Tucson In The Next Week

Whats going on at the Desert Museum? Heard they are having a special Halloween event?

Posted by Loewsknives on 10/06/2017 at 5:48 AM

Re: “It Looks Like Gabby Giffords Is Going To Endorse Ann Kirkpatrick Today in 2018 Race Against McSally

The Resistance is the only thing that has saved us so far from the Republican Deathcare bills that would have defunded healthcare and thrown 22 to 32 MILLION AMERICANS off their existing health insurance, causing the death of thousands more people each year from lack of coverage. Trump is a malevolent, malignant narcissist and racist that needs constant supervision and opposition until Mr. Mueller reveals his treasonous conspiracy with Russia to steal his way into office. Viva la Resistance!

3 likes, 0 dislikes
Posted by Guy Keenan 1 on 10/06/2017 at 3:38 AM

Re: “Gabby Giffords on Las Vegas Mass Shooting: "This Must Stop"

Let's cut the bullshit, shall we? I don't have any delusions about changing your mind. I think you're an idiot. I don't care what you think about me. Do you understand? My plan is to find a way to live in a world with morons like you who can't grasp that the NRA doesn't care about anything except getting their pockets lined from gun manufacturers. Outdoorsmen? Ha. Freedom fighters? Pathetic. But boy, if it keeps you from reaching for your piece, I sure hope you get lots of likes on your comments, tiger. They seem to matter more to you than human life.

22 likes, 9 dislikes
Posted by Peabo on 10/05/2017 at 9:53 PM

Re: “Gabby Giffords on Las Vegas Mass Shooting: "This Must Stop"

I notice I didn't get any answers to my question, just dislikes. Par for the course.

7 likes, 24 dislikes
Posted by CW13 on 10/05/2017 at 9:36 PM

Re: “The Best Way To Get Results-Based Funding Is To Be Well-Off and White

@ Sabasabas & David Safier:

They will no doubt claim they are applying the "teacher" component of the funding in professional development. And the professional development will no doubt relate to training the teachers to milk the student population for higher AP scores. It's University High School, after all. They have to compete with Basis and maintain their all-important US News & World Report rankings. (Gaming the media's inane rankings system and testing companies' standardized, multiple-choice "accountability" systems to make TUSD look better than it actually is -- NOT student benefit and NOT proper college preparatory education -- is UHS's reason for being. And now UHS/TUSD, after bulking the UHS curriculum up with more forced AP enrollment over the past few years, is preparing to kick a neighborhood cohort which includes a large number of recently arrived refugees out of its high school so they can shove UHS into that neighborhood's high school, increase UHS's enrollment capacity, and suck as many more hapless victims into this high stakes multiple-choice testing machine as possible. All to compensate for ongoing declines in enrollment brought about by the TUSD governing board's decades-long history of acute district-wide mismanagement. This is what could be gleaned from watching the October 3 TUSD Board meeting. What a great public school district, so worthy of our support and respect.)

5 likes, 2 dislikes
Posted by They game everything else, why not the performance funding too? on 10/05/2017 at 5:41 PM

Re: “The Best Way To Get Results-Based Funding Is To Be Well-Off and White

Mystery - I'm not saying there shouldn't be public education. As you point out, there are lots of good reasons for it. I'm just clarifying that there is no legal requirement for it under the Constitution. Sorry to sidetrack the discussion; this detour is totally irrelevant.

3 likes, 5 dislikes
Posted by Nathan K on 10/05/2017 at 2:32 PM

Re: “The Best Way To Get Results-Based Funding Is To Be Well-Off and White

Of course the well off get the last Long end of the stick. This is how the world works. Grow up.

2 likes, 2 dislikes
Posted by Gandalf the white on 10/05/2017 at 2:11 PM

Re: “The Best Way To Get Results-Based Funding Is To Be Well-Off and White

Nathan K:

The US Constitution and its amendments create a governmental structure within which leaders in the executive and legislative branches of the federal government are elected and there is a universal franchise. Having a fully educated citizenry, and thus a universal system of education which does not discriminate by economic means seems a good idea when there is a universal franchise. Some will opt out of the publicly funded education system for various reasons, but if there is a universal franchise, a universal publicly funded system to educate citizens should be there for those who choose not to opt out.

What alternative do you propose to ensure the citizenry is competent to make the electoral choices the Constitution and its amendments determine they will have the ability to make? Does it seem appropriate (or functional, from a political / electoral perspective) that some schools in the system dont have the basic supplies or staffing necessary to get the job they are charged to do done?

http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/laurieroberts/2017/09/26/arizona-teachers-quit-school-year/706419001/

5 likes, 4 dislikes
Posted by Mystery Education Policy Commenter on 10/05/2017 at 1:56 PM

Re: “The Best Way To Get Results-Based Funding Is To Be Well-Off and White

To mystery education policy man - I am sorry for being pedantic, but the U.S. constitution does not mandate the existence of the public schooling industry. It requires that schooling, like all other public benefits, to be provided in accordance with the equal protection guarantees of the 14th amendment, but it doesn't require that any state provide public schooling in the first place.

2 likes, 8 dislikes
Posted by Nathan K on 10/05/2017 at 12:38 PM

Re: “Why I Keep Writing About Those Damn AzMERIT Scores

Response to this column and bslap.

David, everything that you have said is absolutely correct but our current education culture is defined by all the mechanisms that you decry. Every year for almost hundred years the local papers have printed test scores which people then assume that the school created. Actually, as you point out, the school largely collects those test scores and, to some small degree, creates them.

There are only two ways to break this culture - 1) big system and 2) small system. I've tried the big system and it flopped totally. In 1999, I introduced the Finland technique of sampling, sampling 9,000 students a semester so that, with a low-stakes NAEP style test, we would have a large enough sample to know our results within one percentile point, thus enabling us to pick up and reinforce real changes. No one could comprehend what it was all about. It was just incomprehensible to them, the rationale, the idea that 9,000 tests would be more accurate than 500,000, the lack of feedback at the local level, etc. It was like fighting a forest fire with a squirt gun.

Right now, as you point out, tests like AzMerit are worthless for telling us if Arizona is better than last year. These tests told every state in the nation that they improved in 2015 then NAEP comes out and tells us the truth - that more than half got worse. Their annual tests were just an illusion.

The other way to break this culture is 2) small system. That' s what I am trying now. To set a land speed record for academic gains in one year in one classroom. My simple hypothesis is derived from the research knowledge that students from poverty have poor attitudes towards school and as a result, practice the crafts of reading and math less than 2 minutes a day each.

This morning at 8 am, my all-minority all at-risk students did 12,489 math problems correctly - 97% of them without referring to their fingers, an average of 657 each. The high student did 1,414, the low student did 278. Over 50% of the class made overt expressions of joy at setting new records. I have created a culture of math where students strut around bragging about their abilities.

This afternoon, I will return to the class and if past patterns hold, they will do another 10,500 math problems correctly- their productivity dropping about 15% at the end of the day. Thus their total will be about 23,000 math problems in one day.

The teachers on this thread react with seething hostility assuming that I am destroying these children's attitudes towards school with unending drudgery instead of asking the simple, "what is he doing differently?" The truth is that you can't get students to do this much math if its drudgery. I know because all the scientific tools I use for math fluency are not yet available to me for math comprehension. Tomorrow, as we work on math comprehension (word problems), they will only do 50 problems each when in theory they could do as many as 500. Within three years, I will have all these problems solved.

In railing against this culture, you are not outside of it, you have chosen to be part of it. You assume that it is as good as we can get despite 40 years of no improvement.

I am determined to break its iron grip on the poor and minorities.

At least get those two-year gains by school for low SES students, rank them and go see what the very high gain schools and school districts are doing differently. Pull their erasure rates while you are at it.

Go talk to Ed Sloat of Peoria, he always did a regression analysis that washed away SES to look at real performance. See if he has a true ranking for you for the schools of the state.

1 like, 4 dislikes
Posted by jhuppent@hotmail.com on 10/05/2017 at 12:23 PM

Re: “Gabby Giffords on Las Vegas Mass Shooting: "This Must Stop"

Tell us Peabrain. what law would have prevented any of this.

7 likes, 28 dislikes
Posted by CW13 on 10/05/2017 at 11:50 AM

Re: “The Best Way To Get Results-Based Funding Is To Be Well-Off and White

sabasabas, the law specifies that half or more of the results-based money will be allocated for teacher-related uses. Ducey has said frequently that half of that funding is earmarked for teacher raises. https://azgovernor.gov/FY18budget

If your school tells you something else, you should ask what "teacher-related uses" half the funds are going to be used for.

4 likes, 3 dislikes
Posted by David Safier on 10/05/2017 at 11:01 AM

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