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Re: “Betsy DeVos Exercises Her Freedom of $peech

I don't know if it's true, but I heard David Safier donated money to: ' Gangs? they're not so bad' academy, the Alaskan highway to nowhere Institute, Guvament needs more money foundation, and 'cyberbully the rich', nonprofit....
Life as we know it will soon end...

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Posted by laddderflappy on 12/16/2017 at 11:16 AM

Re: “Cinema Clips: Three Billboards Outside of Ebbing, Missouri

enjoyed the movie, a bit gushy there Bob..

Posted by laddderflappy on 12/16/2017 at 11:02 AM

Re: “An Incomplete Look at the Koch Brothers' Influence in Arizona

Your use of the word "indoctrination" speaks volumes about the kind of person you are.

but taxes are always supposed to go down, not up, in the Koch's world

An ignorant statement that is false.

The Koch brothers oppose legislation like tax extenders, corporate subsidies, tax incentives corporations receive, and other corporate friendly legislation, even though that opposition is detrimental to their own businesses.

They are men of principle, not the bottom line.

Your article has done nothing more than show you have no nuance in your understanding of the Koch brothers, their philosophy, or work. All you have done is show you are a partisan hack who is more interested in creating a one sided liberal bogeyman caricature than the truth.

For anyone who is interested in a balanced short course on what the Koch Brothers really believe, Freakanomics Radio (hardly a conservative program) gives them a fair shake.

http://freakonomics.com/podcast/why-hate-k…

http://freakonomics.com/podcast/why-hate-k…

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Posted by tctw on 12/15/2017 at 11:05 PM

Re: “An Incomplete Look at the Koch Brothers' Influence in Arizona

Try this for some truth-

http://blog.acton.org/archives/67176-horrible-koch-brothers-good.html

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Posted by The truth shall set you free on 12/15/2017 at 8:06 PM

Re: “An Incomplete Look at the Koch Brothers' Influence in Arizona

Why not try some truth?

https://www.google.com/amp/blog.acton.org

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Posted by The truth shall set you free on 12/15/2017 at 8:02 PM

Re: “Betsy DeVos Exercises Her Freedom of $peech

I don't understand, how exactly did you "fool liberals" Mr. Rat Trollson?

Is it because you're posting under different names and getting different responses for semi confusing and misleading statements? You're no where else to be found in this comment thread except for the comment above mine, this is why I don't understand your comment. Is it possible that you had a comment removed before I accessed this article?

Either way, you are definitely pathetic if all you want to do is "fool liberals". There's a whole world out there, you should be exploring it instead of camping out on TW during your day to "fool liberals".

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Posted by AZ/DC! on 12/15/2017 at 7:15 PM

Re: “An Incomplete Look at the Koch Brothers' Influence in Arizona

With out the Koch brothers you can kiss Nova good buy

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Posted by Randal Ferber on 12/15/2017 at 6:49 PM

Re: “An Incomplete Look at the Koch Brothers' Influence in Arizona

If only you feared George Soros half as much. You need to try to find some balance. Nothing is ever as good or bad as we think it is, but this obsession with trashing the Koch's has become embarrassing.

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Posted by Mona S on 12/15/2017 at 4:34 PM

Re: “Betsy DeVos Exercises Her Freedom of $peech

It's so easy to fool liberals. I did it again.

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Posted by Wayne Olson on 12/15/2017 at 9:22 AM

Re: “Betsy DeVos Exercises Her Freedom of $peech

Again, thank you to a kind and generous family.
When our inner city, mainly minority students can barely read or even write. And end up in gangs and kill or shoot each other up. Choice is one idea, that gives parents a choice about there children's education. Let's face the truth, it's about the teachers union, and the all mighty dollar, they say it for the children, but let's be honest. It's about the benefits (Cadallic plans) and pay.
A majority of the population works 12 months, again it all comes down to money. There are a lot of people struggling to get a good education from there public schools, and having a choice gives them a oppertunity, to give there children a good chance to make it.
Another witch hunt, just because you don't agree with someone else's point of view. And all you do is talk about someones donations and money. And I bet the author has a friend or close family member whom is a school teacher, dollars to donuts, I bet.

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Posted by Tucson two step on 12/15/2017 at 9:11 AM

Re: “Betsy DeVos Exercises Her Freedom of $peech

I'm at a loss to understand the intent of this article. A recitation of donations from the DeVos Foundation without any commentary or in-depth analysis of the group's motivations is nothing more than a dog whistle to those who equate DeVos to an enemy of public education.

I strolled over to 74 Media's site and was surprised to see a fairly typical series of posts and articles on a wide range of topics including an interesting, non-partisan piece on the Chan Zuckerberg initiatives. Also would note the large donations made to Princeton, University of Maryland, Michigan State and Ferris State hardly seem controversial.

Betsy DeVos is no champion of mine and her positions as Secretary of Education largely disgust me. But this writing, lazy and incomplete, almost makes me sympathetic to the charitable work of her family's foundation.

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Posted by Rick Spanier on 12/15/2017 at 7:39 AM

Re: “The New, New Jim Crow

The backlash against Obama had nothing to do with his race, it was completely about his policies:

13% growth as compared to Reagan at 32%

Combined math and reading scores down for the first time in history after "Race to the Top".

Spending another trillion on health care and death rates up.

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Posted by jhuppent@hotmail.com on 12/15/2017 at 7:14 AM

Re: “Betsy DeVos Exercises Her Freedom of $peech

Rather than tell us how great conservatives and libertarians are, why not tell us how much progressive liberals have given?

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Posted by Retired Teacher on 12/14/2017 at 12:16 PM

Re: “The Latest U.S. International Reading Scores Are Flat

You have your story but it only partially matches the data. Go back to Figure 3 on page 23.

Average scores aren't flat from 2001 to now, they are up slightly, but all of that improvement comes from the 2006 to 2010 period, when we had no large central programs in place.

All of the analysis of No Child Left Behind came to the conclusion that not only was it worthless, it did some damage, average scores down. All that phonics helped kids at the lower end (up ten points), but the interference hurt the upper end of the spectrum (down 9 points).

Then from 2006 to 2011, we had a gilded age of no new fads and interference from the center. Reading scores up across the spectrum, the upper end and lower end both up 17 points.

Then from 2011 to 2016 we had the devastation of "Race to the Top." Scores down across the spectrum but particularly for low-end kids, down 12 points.

Lesson to be learned? Washington D.C., leave us alone.

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Posted by jhuppent@hotmail.com on 12/12/2017 at 12:08 PM

Re: “The Latest U.S. International Reading Scores Are Flat

Ms. Putnam-Hidalgo writes, "tying scores to teacher and administrative pay and advancement possibilities and other toxic intrusions on a teachers' ability to actually teach have always been ineffective, and now we have a decade and a half of proof that that is the case. Teaching to the test has become the mantra, and the kids' education be damned."

Some thoughts on this, in increasing order of importance.

First, if teachers are "teaching to the test", why aren't the test scores better?

Second, whenever I see this particular complaint by teachers, my reaction is always, "gosh, wouldn't it be nice to have a job where I could claim that it was impossible to objectively measure my performance or effectiveness? That must be nice."

But third, maybe Ms. Putnam-Hidalgo has a point, although it's one she would never articulate in these terms. As Bslap above points out, we have the highest percentage of foreign born people in our country (or nearly so) in U.S. history. 10% of everyone alive today who was born in Mexico and 20% of everyone alive today who was born in El Salvador lives in the United States. But the United States is not built on magic dirt. So, why would we expect that we can educate those people better here than they can be educated at home? Maybe it's unfair to punish teachers when they cannot do that.

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Posted by Nathan K on 12/12/2017 at 10:05 AM

Re: “The Latest U.S. International Reading Scores Are Flat

Who does the evaluations in PIRLS? What do the tests look like? When I saw that RUSSIA, and CHINA are in the top TWO I immediately became suspicious that there is money under the table or some kind of mismanagement of the test scores because neither of those countries ever goes into a contest without knowing they are going to be First or Second. It's going to take more than the PIRLS judges to convince me that American kids are not at a reading level comparable to Russians and Chinese. Stop blaming the teachers or the students and take another approach .

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Posted by Beneal Good on 12/12/2017 at 10:04 AM

Re: “The Latest U.S. International Reading Scores Are Flat

These are all good reasons why US teachers have become ineffective. Why is it that we have people in leadership positions that are causing this to happen? Affirmative action hires?

Talk amongst yourselves...

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Posted by Wayne Olson on 12/12/2017 at 9:35 AM

Re: “Cinema Clips: Lady Bird

Agree. This film is a winner on many levels.

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Posted by Kathleen DeBoer on 12/12/2017 at 9:28 AM

Re: “The Latest U.S. International Reading Scores Are Flat

Looking at the data, American white and Asian students are doing just fine. Indeed, the white PIRLs and ePIRLs averages are higher than the averages for all the countries listed above except Singapore and Russia, blowing all their other European peers out of the water. Stagnant educational performance data is just measuring changing U.S. ethnic demographics. And that means it's just going to get worse.

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Posted by Nathan K on 12/12/2017 at 9:21 AM

Re: “The Latest U.S. International Reading Scores Are Flat

No coincidence that the percentage of foreign born is the highest in American history. It's tough to make progress when you can barely tread water getting 41 million immigrants and their children up to speed.

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Posted by bslap on 12/12/2017 at 7:11 AM

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