Dave: So guess you agree with the analogy I take it you agree that some on say Yavapai county can get a felony and several related ancillary related charges for simple possession but in Pima county he walks or a civil fine ? That now each and every county can arbitrarily enact all kinds or retail license reg most dont relate to marijuana tho. Like smoke shops, horticultural supplies. I remember this kind of appeasement for profit and gain. That was called one state slave one state free. So giving some freedom was better than causing problems to making all free.
Sometimes a step in the right direction may not be the exact direction you want but it is better than where we are at...
Carpet Baggers is correct. The political lines have blurred on this issue, at least at the Federal level. The Republican Congress has defunded the DEA on this issue, and in the Congressional Budget Resolution of Dec 2014, told Federal Agencies to leave state legal businesses alone if they were abiding by state law.
politically speaking; Does anyone understand that it is this republican congress that is constantly reining on the Obama justice department and the DEA? for prosecuting states that have medical marijuana.
They have denied monies for investigation to the DEA. This congress has spearheaded just how monies will be used in states with medical marijuana laws passed. The federal court in CA just threw out many cases brought before the court this week. Following the rules of congress the cases were not in conflict with California law.
In this day and age the political paintbrush is running very thin. It is taking way to many coats to cover up the stains and patches. I think we need a good coat of KILZ and perhaps a new color.
It has to happen this way, tax and regulate means tax and regulate....Arizona is not ready for full free like tomato approach, to not support it would be politically naive.
Thanks, Carpet Baggers, you brought up some interesting points that I'd like to investigate further. It's beginning to seem like an ugly rock-vs.-hard-place situation for ordinary Arizona citizens who are tired of prohibition.
You aren't far from the truth Gandalf. We are about to be overrun with former drug runners with our open border sanctuary city status. This is half of the Mexican economy. Democrats hope that they become legal and pay taxes to keep SSI from imploding, because of years of fraud and theft, but it won't solve a thing.
Keep MJ illegal. Mexico needs the money.
I also was in favor of the splinter group from MPP Arizona for Mindful Regulation (AZFMR). While it started late after conflict with the national and personal directives. AZFMR started late a grassroot all local effort gathered 114,240 signatures. I consider this a great effort by the actual users of Marijuana and it's benefits.
I believe one large point that the author missed was the powers that this new "Department of Marijuana License and Control" will have at a state level in collection of revenue. I would think any county attorney would be extremely hobbled by directions of license, tax, fines, as well as preempting over local business licenses on agriculture and grow supply stores.
This new MDLC would be like the DOT, DPS, it would be in the state constitution and very hard to amend without total recall it can't be undone. This MDLC would have it's own administrative court it is entirely possible to be arrested in a county for a felony and that is plea bargained, Then you could be given a civil violation through the administrative arm like DOT does with some violations.
This MDLC will be free to write their rules which NONE are in place now. It would be a total rewrite of all marijuana grow, distribution, marketing laws. It would do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO THE EXISTING CRIMINAL CODE. What it does is allows to have and consume 1 ounce in counties and cities that agree to a simple possession that is IT. This is a PLEA BARGAIN put into place build a new court police and taxing agency to sell pot. NO OTHER STATE LEGALIZED HAS DONE THIS.
Let's get to the 6 plants this is just the carrot to get the ass to pull the cart. If a person wanted to grow 6 plants where is the seed/clone available ? 6 plants outside for a growing season can yield 6 pounds. 6 plants in somebodies closet under artificial light 3 grow season's most are lucky to get 90 gram out of each plant hardly a bumper crop. @ $7.00 a gram averages out to not be cost effective to grow your own. It is this reason the MDLC needs the underground market to keep prices higher to thin margin. With growing artificial the electricity carbon footprint to just grow 1 gram is the same as driving a Prius 25 miles. or running a 100 watt incandescent light bulb for 1000 hours.
Lets say you want to try this endeavor to grow a plant. You go down to this dispensary that has a rider license to sell seed/clone. It is possible that the MDLC will only allow a small variety of plant target at ailments and low thc to keep in compliance. In doing so you fill out paperwork stating you bought a seed/clone and you give up rights to have your home a knock and talk by the MDLC policy agent. you agree to not clone and use this plant with a tag to one grow and a hefty tax fee incl. This is like agreeing when you get a driver's license that the DOT is giving you the privilege to drive MDLC would be giving you the privilege to grow. Can you imagine the DOT made up of car dealers, mechanics and police to enforce. Then they would have their own bank to draw funds to build the department.
This whole initiative was drawn up by Law enforcement and career bureaucrats. This is drawn up to mirror existing collective of state governing and enforcement agencies. This marijuana market already exists it has before dispensaries, or the idea that what some call sin can be made a profit in social structuring.
If you are a consumer of marijuana you would have to be of diminished capacity, unknowledgable, or just a complete fool to think in any way this is legalization in your favor. Their will be absolutely no one as a consumer interest. It is not called for in the initiative and stops all the exist with AZDHS. If passed every marijuana consumer will be adrift in a sea of charlatan healers, huckster carnival pricing, market availability limiting product arbitrary using of tax paid to defend themselves. I just look and watch this Holyoak guy and the remembrance of JOE ISUZU comes to mind.
This is also the reason I could not support AZFMR this department at a state constitutional level cannot be undone or a redo without a repeal by the citizens the state legislature cannot do it.
IT WOULD BE SET IN STONE.
I go to Washington & Oregon both recreational edible can't be over 10mg. Here it will be the same so an edible guy would have to drink 4 cans of soda or eat 1/2 pound of gummy bears and vap and oils are extremely diluted and shatter only for medical which in AZ would be gone.
Let the people vote!
I was in favor of the other initiative, which did not make the ballot. I am not sure I will vote for this one.
The regulations will evolve to a simpler, more realistic level after the benefits of legalization accrue and the ingrained, irrational fear of this non-toxic plant subsides. It is absurd to favor prohibition over a legal, regulated market for a product dramatically less harmful than alcohol, tobacco or even caffeine.
"Some locals are not okay with treating a joint like a bottle of gin"
True, alcohol being so much more dangerous than cannabis,
being put on the same level is sort of wrong. But the present system is even worse, so I'd be okay with it.
And if we legalize drugs, border crossers will vanish. Home invasions will stop and fewer jobs will be needed.
Well with the recent DEA announcement it looks like the political hacks running today have given in again.
This has become a great windfall for so many policing and social structuring part of the economy. These have great interest in keeping it going as well as establishing their need or promoting so.
The sorry part these have missed their mark time after time. There are no benchmarks for success other than the money numbers game. More confiscated more arrested more interned more addicted.
Can anyone take the time what would actually happen if this did change the schedule classification from 1 to 2. Overnight and in a storm fashion upsetting so many established businesses. The Dispensaries and agents growers need this to stay the same.
As not under federal eye on so many fronts Banking, FDA, DEA, IRS, Interstate Commerce, International Trade, FTC, Commercial banking and investment banking business structure. States will be open to federal court oversight on business practices and investor holding.
Federal courts will be open on so many fronts criminal as well as civil. This will really test states rights over federal rights on so many fronts. LIke the story this is just another chapter in the BS and so many are thinking AZ has legalization possible in November.
The truth of the matter is the DEA cannot and does not want to mess with commerce laws. The DEA would just as soon to have this parameters of law enforcement and control left up to commerce laws. They would lose as sure as sun sets way to much case law precedent.
Want the next chapter of corruption graft greed and civil discourse related to marijuana being tied to all drugs. Vote to legalize in November a whole new read. Screw the patient the mentally dependent the chronic ailing dependent extort as much as possible to educate LMFAO
Years ago, I took a trip to Amsterdam. I paid a visit to the Hash Marihuana & Hemp Museum. I learned quite a bit about why cannabis and related products are truly illegal in the good ole US of A.
The one thing that stood out on my visit were the US newspaper articles displayed which targeted cannabis as something enjoyed by (I don't remember the exact words used, but you should get the idea) the scary jazz loving criminal negroes.
Need I say more? Okay, I shall.
There were also articles and other advertising propaganda targeted against the evil black man which were sponsored by none other than, get ready for this...Anheuser-Busch! Imagine that. There's a definite conflict of interest here; yet the majority of White America in those days were convinced that, if spooky colored folk were the primary users of cannabis and its related products, then there must be something inherently sinister happening inside of that plant.
It's incredible to me that, damn near 90 years later, people are still swayed by greedy corporations, slimy politics, racism and plain old ignorance. It's time to realize that we must legalize.
This list is surprisingly accurate. Earth's Healing definitely has the best customer service. I thought that was just me?
As long as there is some kind of governmental agency dealing with Marijuana. Make it illegal you make the define the market. Make it legal where's the profit.
As the story alluded to Harry Anslinger the new bureau of
" Department of Narcotic and Dangerous Drug " BNDD. This new governmental agency was volling congress for monies along with another new agency the FBI.
Both Harry Anslinger and J Edgar Hoover were trying to outperform compete with enforcement parameters. Both lobbied the FDR Congress for more laws hence more monies. Even the job to enforce alcohol prohibition was given to the treasury.
And both didn't like that either the repeal of the 18 amendment shut that police agency door. Now all governing agencies on both Federal and state levels as well as the FDA have concerns in the alcohol industry. Enforcement is left up to the in place laws and policing agencies
I believe it was Johnson that changed the denotation from BNDD to DEA . However the Schedule 1 category was put in under the Nixon Administration. Nixon carried on a secret war in south america on his drug .
As some said his paid death squads in Peru, Bolivia, Columbia actually got Pablo Escobar together with cocaine. The beginning of the cartels and we all know the story.
We all have seen the expansion with the war on drugs. The expansion of courts rehab prisons policing cartels money laundering corruption along with use.
We see methadone being administered but still the increase of heroin. I understand the daily dose of Methadone is around $100.00 $36,500 a year. Paid for insurance along with most of the other pharmical abused drugs. Just how can we fold Marijuana into that and still have it recreational ?
Some people believe a new state governmental department will do that. This new State Department will have control over much of the Alcohol & Tobacco board. It would take over every Vap store Smoke shop, growing industrial hemp, testing away from AZDHS, licensing enforcement.
This new proposed Department of "Marijuana License and Controls" are of the idea that they can monitor prohibition as long as they are able to change and adapt according to market demands and supply. To do this there will be a surcharge. There no doubt this agency will introduce a regimented treatment that will be administered like methadone insurance paid.
If anyone is of the idea this is legalization I am sorry to say Disney is not real either. There is a long way to go with so many with their hands out saying give me a little off that it will be better.
Excellent article. Regarding the two theories as to how MJ became illegal: both are true and one does not preclude the other. Thanks for the historical perspective and for mentioning Hari's excellent book: Chasing The Scream. It is a well documented, global and comprehensive book - a really good read as well - on the so-called war on drugs, not just MJ.
This is a classic false equivalency argument, e.g., legalizing real marijuana will make people stop buying synthetic marijuana.
As long as there are people willing to use this or any other substance to get “high” and they are willing to pay any price, or break any law if it comes to that, there will be people ready to meet the demand.
Meanwhile, we are left footing the bill for medical expenses, the criminal justice system, counseling and support services, and on and on and on….
Prohibition isn’t the answer. Taxing isn’t the answer either, unless you are OK with that whole making money off of other people’s misery thing. Perhaps a warning label; after all, we’re big on warning labels in America:
WARNING – Consumption and use of this substance is harmful to your health and will lead to death – seriously – you will die because no one will waste taxpayer resources to resuscitate you and if you are found unconscious in public, you will be placed in the nearest dumpster for immediate disposal at an approved landfill site.
P.S. – Using this argument might just backfire and get people thinking about all the forms of substance abuse. I would suggest looking at what the other states have done to legalize marijuana AND make sure you tie legalizing it to defunding public education. Then it is sure to pass in Arizona – the governor will see to it.
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