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Comment Archives: stories: News & Opinion: Messina

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What nonsense. Family planning is of immediate importance to the families themselves, and where women have greater rights, they have control over their fertility. Handing out condoms at the street fair has nothing to do with that, and marginalizing pregnant teens is truly brain-dead.

Posted by McLovin on 01/17/2011 at 2:59 PM

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Wow. Um, Karen, I am not by any means a proponent of teenage motherhood, but whether they are pregnant or mothers or WHAT, all children in the state of Arizona are entitled to a free, appropriate education until high school graduation. Forcing young pregnant students to leave their "brick and mortar" schools will lead to isolation and possible lack of motivation to finish school. Many of the problems of our world stem from lack of education...and especially lack of education for females. Education is a social imperative and as a former teen mother myself, I can tell you that my Master's Degree (along with the rest of my education, which I acquired after having two children) is what is keeping me (and my children) from being a poverty statistic.

Posted by Naomi Varga on 01/16/2011 at 12:23 PM

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im amazed you and tusd want to quarintine the pregnant girls and you want to block them from a education? This isnt a virus that they carry, its a future taxpayer, and such needs to be in school preparing for the future.

The first mistake was made by the child by getting pregnent, dont make a 2nd mistake by treating it as something more than what it really is.

Posted by traveler on 01/15/2011 at 7:26 PM

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It's quite a leap from celebrity babymakers to the Rosemont Mine, but the overpopulation is a subject we seem to have forgotten even as we watch hordes of people affected in catastrophes around the world. I have two thoughts, micro and macro: When TUSD opened its special school for pregnant students, I winced. What were they thinking? Before you train teens to become mothers and fathers you have to let them grow up, even if it's the hard way. I frankly think these girls should be forced to leave their brick-and-mortar schools, and find their education online and within their family (however they define it). It's not the taxpayers' problem they have no self-discipline or ambition to do more than shop for groceries. Second, the pictures of Haiti and other locations where earthquakes, tsunamis and floods have made hundreds of thousands of people homeless, also show what "teeming humanity" looks like, and it isn't pretty. Those condoms need to go everywhere in the world, because sex fills in where there is no hope. It is the primal form of instant gratification, and leads only to more need for instant gratification where there is no vision. Let's take money out of the pregnant classrooms and put them into shipments of condoms and pay educators to teach young men and women to handle the basics, which is to say, creating families with intention and dignity.

Posted by Karen Dahood on 01/13/2011 at 8:34 AM

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In addition to the above comment I think we should also consider if families really require to have more than 2 children? What is the purpose of excessively large families? I think some countries have it right by having just 2 children and no more. Many parents cant seem to afford more than that to begin with.

Posted by Creeping Critter on 01/13/2011 at 7:30 AM

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This is an excellent article that clearly points to the most significant issue for the human species. Our Earth can only provided for a limited number of humans before overpopulation will cause a major "die off". There are many factors that could cause this suffering to billions, including many different diseases, starvation, water and air pollution, and wars. Stabilizing and reducing the existing population should be a global priority.

By delaying births, we reduce population growth. The women who have early child births, especially prior to completion of high school which reduces their education, usually will live in poverty or near poverty unless they marry someone older and with an education. Without adequate knowledge, these immature women will suffer long-term consequences while raising their children, many times as single moms. This continues the cycle because their children may also be trapped in the lower economic brackets, as poverty begets poverty. Of course, there always are exceptions, but the poor are getting poorer.

By both delays in starting a family and reductions of the number in the family are critical for the future of our Earth! It's one person at a time, but delaying and extending the number of years between generations, is vital for the heath of our country and all countries. This is the best way to slow population growth.

As we continue to crowd out the other species, deplete the natural minerals and resources, our Earth and our neighborhoods, shrivel up and will die. Petroleum and natural gas are limited natural resources and can not be replaced.

Developing mines for minerals, such as copper, are very destructive of our lands, as the 10 miles of copper tailings that run parallel to I-19 make so vivid (see google earth for better views of the Green Valley mines) this permanent destruction. These mines presently deplete the Santa Cruz River groundwater aquifer, this necessity of life, by permanently removing 4 to 6 feet of water per year in the Tucson aquifer. With only 0.3% of all the world's water being potable and drinkable by humans, retention of this resource is critical for southern Arizona.

Population expansion must be contained, especially by the reduction of teenage mothers. Those teenage movie and rock star moms are a senseless aberration of prudent living without an understanding of their personal life changes. They are extremely poor role models for our junior and senior high school children! Graduating from college, or high school as a minimum, before having their first child should be a goal for all teenage girls.

Posted by Old Salt on 01/13/2011 at 3:19 AM

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For anyone interested in talking to Victor about his new book "The Way of Play", there is also a book signing and discussion scheduled at the UA BookStore (located in the Student Union on campus) on Tuesday, February 22 at 4:30 pm. Check out the Weekly's events calendar for more information.

Posted by Seescha on 01/03/2011 at 9:37 AM

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I agree, that play is critical for our spiritual development. Play opens the heart.

Posted by Sagegal on 12/30/2010 at 8:56 AM

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As a frequent participant in the weekly chanting circle this is welcome news. Chanting with this group is truly a playful, spirit-filled healing time in my life.

Posted by native daughter on 12/30/2010 at 8:27 AM

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Please note the time for the lecture on Friday, Jan. 7 is 6:30 p.m. It appears incorrectly in our print issue as 7:30 p.m.

Posted by imessina on 12/29/2010 at 5:16 PM

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Moochie, you have a right to your opinion of course but as long as this is a free country, what consenting adults do behind closed doors is STILL between them. Live your life anyway way you choose and everyone else will live theirs as they choose. No one is forcing you to do, watch or read anything. Choose to go elsewhere where you can find your happiness. Otherwise, there's always a war somewhere to join if your bored. Pick your battles. By the way, the cap's lock button is on the left... press it.

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Posted by JudgeAndBeJudged on 12/01/2010 at 12:53 PM

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I love this column because I always feel inspired and stimulated to new perspectives. I agree that greiving is not well done in this country so it hangs around us long after the loss. I too saw the movie "HereAfter" and found it to be a thoughtful and moving treatment of the big subject of how we handle transition. It's time for change and films and articles like this nudge us along. Thanks again.

Posted by KathyH on 11/04/2010 at 2:19 AM

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Yet another advancement of women as objects. Well done.

Posted by YesSireeBob on 10/25/2010 at 9:47 AM

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The fire department uses poles whats the difference?

Posted by Creeping Critter on 09/27/2010 at 8:43 AM

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Wow retrorv, Sounds like somebody either missed their nap or didn't do very well on the firefighter's entrance exam. If you would have studied as hard for the test as you have researching the inner workings of firefighter's compensation, you would probably be out helping somebody in their time of need instead of whatever it is you do. By the way is that a picture of you polishing your assault bus. Sorry, no more personal attacks. If you need any help with that studying let me know, even I passed the test.

Posted by smokey on 09/14/2010 at 1:51 PM

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"Ridings says they wish to fill in the gap where benefits and pensions fall short." Must be referring to firefighters who don't work for Tucson. Their pay and benefits, along with their overpaid cohorts at TPD, have escalated much higher than the rest of City employees. Firefighters' pension, the Public Safety Personnel Retirement System, is much more lucrative than the City's or State's AND allows retirement at only 20 years of service AND contains a COLA. Along with base pay, which is what most City employees earn as the only part of their wages, fire fighters receive "premium pay". Education allowances, uniform allowances, generous overtime rules, off duty pay (using City resources), not to mention their shift work which allows most to have 2nd jobs. Firefighters do have a dangerous job, sometimes, but I'm not going to feel sorry for their pay and allowances which are VERY generous.

Posted by retrorv on 09/09/2010 at 4:40 PM

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These photos are amazing, and from someone who proclaims they've only been doing this for three years?

Posted by Geezjane on 09/09/2010 at 4:20 PM

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Wow, you always make me think and feel more deeply with greater understanding. This article is a stellar example of how you inform and educate with words that open the door of compassion inside of me. You have done a nice job of supporting firefighters through spotlighting the art and the efforts of others who are doing their part to assist these front line modern day hero's. Thanks again.

Posted by KathyH on 09/09/2010 at 5:05 AM

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Jim - The secularist’s ability to generate and agree with a set of operational definitions in support of a “philosophy” and argument(s) only demonstrates the ability of people to live in a delusion. Ask anyone in a mental institution whether they are sane, and regardless of “who” they think they are (Neapolitan Bonaparte for example); they will always argue strongly in an effort to convenience themselves and others that they are correct (and thus not mad as a hatter). This is a demonstration of the reasonable mind, which is built into humans, presumably to assist in survival. The reasonable mind will not allow one to be, let’s say wrong about reality. This is a human condition that cannot be denied. A human will always argue their philosophy or what they think they believe and who they think they are. The test is to support one's position with history and facts. So, the only thing left is to divine truth as inspired by inquiry by real scholars (regardless of the subject). The Judeo-Christian and Muslim religions developed over the centuries beginning and based on the Septuagint around 4169 B.C. when Abram entered Canaan during the early Kingdoms of Egypt. This long history of scholarly effort is documented and supported, however fraught with argument and differences of opinion, it has passed through the threshing floor of historical review to arrive in our current understanding about God and the human condition here on the cutting edge of time and history.
The first 250 colleges and universities built in the United States were 99% Christian and Christian churches and Jewish synagogues (and beginning last century, Islamic mosques) have been built on every corner of our cities and towns since our founding. The Christian experience in America supports our understanding of our incredible human adventure since the time Abram and God first spoke. However well documented and reviewed by scholars throughout the timeline of human civilization, God is not what we believe, but what I and many believe in. To say you can develop a modern secularist philosophy and simply erase this human struggle and understanding to then decide the fate of the United States, regardless of the founding of the USA under the unalienable rights given by our “creator” (the supernatural entity stated in our Constitution) which include the right of the religious to live, vote, work, politic, govern, speak, write and worship whenever or wherever we want, is quite frankly ridiculous.

Posted by Steven on 09/02/2010 at 12:19 PM

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Your view of Constitutional history is slightly skewed and incomplete.

1. That the United States was founded by Christians is an accident of history and culture. It is not any sort of evidence of a divine plan for a Christian Nation. It is not evidence of the existence of any deity.

2. Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, and a good many other of the founding fathers are rightly described as "Deists," not Christians. Yes, they had beliefs that might be described by religious, but they were not at all comfortable with the comingling of Church and State. Jefferson, in particular, is credited with coining the phrase "Wall of Separation."

3. Our Constitution does not mention the words "God," "Jesus," "Christ," or "church" anywhere in the body of that august document. In particular, the Preamble specifically states that the authority to govern is derived from "We the People" and their informed consent, not divine fiat or ecclesiastical approval.

4. Article VI, para 3 of the U.S. Constitution: "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

5. Historically, the First Amendment has been interpreted to mean a position of absolute neutrality with respect to religion, not that the government cannot interfere with religious institutions when their practices run afoul of our secular laws (consider, for example, the sexual abuse of children).

The rest of your arguments constitute the usual litany of insults and scapegoating that we have come to expect from religious bigots, and are not worth any further comment.

Posted by MrMarkAZ on 08/30/2010 at 3:44 PM

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