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Comment Archives: stories: Arts & Culture: Book Feature

Re: “The Pros and Cons of Being Fat

Jes Baker (she has a name) is boldly talking about her experiences as a slef proclaimed "fat woman" in this book. We read only one chapter, and I say she has done an excellent job here of sharing her experience as a fat woman. she is not mincing words. Not calling herself "plus sized", etc, nor hiding the fact, but she also refuses some things that we take for granted, like being weighed at the doctor.

I see her point overall, we are weighed for every single thing when it truly does not matter. And yet with some medications there are some issues. She takes that responsibility when she refuses a weigh in. I would not be concerned about an expected weight gain as much as I would any sudden edema. At any rate, she does bring up an interesting point. I'm not a medical professional so I don't know if it's relaly necessary, but I do now wonder why it's necessary for all visits. It seems a bit much.

That being said, overall, I give her an "A+" for taking on a tough issue publically. And that is more than I can say for the rest of you. (Oh, except just saw Socrates2, nice, agree and very well spoken!)

You have belittled her, called her names... let's see the list starts with VietnamVet2 who offered the less than elegant "Progressive, No Self Control, Over Indulent, Loud Ignorant Mouth, ... no Respect [Self} and it goes on to Narcoleptic Saxon who infers that we are celebrating her as weak broken ugly, abnormal, and degenerate". I think the moral superiority of Narcolectic Saxon is especially cruel in this case, and it rather proves Jes Baker's Point.

A shame culture really does not work well. It's one of the most damaging things psychologically that you can do to a person/group of people. Our culture has shamed, punised and belittled people to no end, and it has done no good. In fact, it often produces the very behaviour we wish to curb. I think a good example might be our overflowing prisons or a walk back in history to see what good the alcohol prohibition did.

Anyway, that's not to say that obesity is to be included in a list of things like negative social behaviors. Our bodies have not adapted fast enough to the processed foods and at this point in time more people in the US are overweight to some degree than normal weight. Obese, I don't kow the percentage. I do know that cultural norms about obesity shift and what is considered a bit much now is considered beautiful at other times. Women have enough pressure to adopt insane beauty standards and will adopt unhealthy diets to do so, or inject their asses with fat like a Kardashian, get implants, use questionable hormones and supplements. Sadly, men are feeling the same pressure to conform and are taking hormones and pushing themselves beyond what is healthy for them.

I would rather see a woman like Jes Baker who is finding peace with her size, and is beautiful and has grace and is showing us what it means to be a strong person and not cave to herd mentality, than to see a whole army of instagram clones who "baaa" in unison and conform and shame each other into being the same. More power to her!

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Posted by Kat on 05/12/2018 at 9:01 PM

Re: “The Pros and Cons of Being Fat

and while we're at it, this cover your body with tats business is shame worthy as well

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Posted by laddderflappy on 05/04/2018 at 6:01 PM

Re: “The Pros and Cons of Being Fat

You are beautiful. I feel our healthcost system fails because it makes more money on treating diseases caused by obesity.

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Posted by Grandma Suzy on 05/03/2018 at 12:06 PM

Re: “The Pros and Cons of Being Fat

This 1960s, baby-boomer "I'm ok, you're ok" claptrap is so tiresome. Yes, shame is a tool useful to enforce standards of behavior, and it should be used to enforce those standards. We should shame the addict, the alcoholic, the unfaithful wife, the violent husband, the neglectful parent, the lazy employee, the greedy employer, and yes, the obese. This is how an orderly society functions. This is how people are motivated to improve their behavior.

Sometimes, you are not ok, and it's fine to say that.

Judge, and welcome judgment on yourself.

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Posted by NarcoleptcSaxon on 05/03/2018 at 12:01 PM

Re: “The Pros and Cons of Being Fat

NarcoleptcSaxon, allow me to add a contra. The problem with our society is that, due to seriously embedded cultural delusions, we entirely misdirect shame to things not worth shaming. In case you have any doubts, shame can be used as a socio-psychological coercive force to impose serious cultural, political, and economic policies. And it's destroying us all (at least the "other" 99%).
For further illumination on this topic, I refer you to Jacques Ellul's classic, _Propaganda_.
Above all, Ms Baker remains a human being, trapped in the body of a female whose body evolution has endowed with a propensity to store any amount of sugar(s) and carbohydrates into reservoirs of adipose tissue (fat). Whether the typical male in 21st century western post-industrial culture can appreciate these simple facts beyond passing judgments of shame is for each individual to decide. Her body mass or size, either way is certainly not my business to judge... And isn't that the point of the piece? Didn't MLK remind us about "content of character?" Or is this cultural meme-phrase just more excess mental baggage to be trotted out every third Monday in January, one that leaves little trace in our consciousness once Tuesday arrives?
Be well.

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Posted by socrates2 on 05/03/2018 at 11:32 AM

Re: “The Pros and Cons of Being Fat

The problem with our society is that there is entirely too little shaming.

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Posted by NarcoleptcSaxon on 05/03/2018 at 10:20 AM

Re: “The Pros and Cons of Being Fat

Wow. Well, there ya go--you can't have a piece about being fat without some mindless fat-shaming in the comments. Thanks, folks, for proving the point!

Let me add, as a "chronic and compulsive masturbator", that I am shocked--SHOCKED, I say!--that you would associate me with fat people. How dare you! Have you no compassion? What's wrong with you??

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Posted by skinnyman on 05/03/2018 at 9:54 AM

Re: “The Pros and Cons of Being Fat

All of this self-indulgent verbiage is likely to make NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER.

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Posted by larschneb on 05/03/2018 at 9:32 AM

Re: “The Pros and Cons of Being Fat

"Pro: My body is inherently political."

This is because, in post-modern clownworld, we celebrate the weak, broken, ugly, abnormal and degenerate. These things are no longer tragic. Indeed, they have become indicia of virtue. This is because the goal of post-modernism is to tear down the strong, beautiful, healthy, normal, orderly and transcendent. And this corruption isn't to serve some higher goal - it's an end in itself.

And you see this everywhere: in the normalization of drug use, trannsexualism, "polyamorous" "marriages", pornography and so-called "sex work", the promotion of ugly art, architecture and music, nihilistic and amoral themes in literature, film and television, etc. There has been a virus - an agent of cultural destruction - loose in the West since at least the 1930s, it infected America in the 1960s, and there are no indications that it can be stopped without some fundamental Traditionalist revival.

I mean, what's next? Are we going to make heroin addiction a virtuous act of political rebellion? Shall we demand "acceptance" of the woman who compulsively gambles away her family's grocery money at the local Indian casino? If someone "identifies as" as a chronic and compulsive masturbator, are we now required to respect his "identity" and applaud his courage for bravely casting off social convention, even as he becomes unable to hold down a job?

Where does all this stop, I wonder?

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Posted by NarcoleptcSaxon on 05/03/2018 at 8:38 AM

Re: “The Pros and Cons of Being Fat

This is a perfect example of a Progressive...no self control, over indulgence in every aspect of her life, loud ignorant mouth, and no respect for any one, even herself. Her motto on life, "I am a fat pig and I love it." Wonder if late at night she asks her self why she is so screwed up?

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Posted by VietnamVet2 on 05/03/2018 at 8:09 AM

Re: “The Unknown Grave of Ed Abbey

Abbey's "Immigration and Other Liberal Taboos" is timely and relevant reading.

http://compassrosebooks.blogspot.com/2009/…

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Posted by NarcoleptcSaxon on 04/30/2018 at 3:01 PM

Re: “The Unknown Grave of Ed Abbey

It is wonderful to read Charles Bowden's words again. I miss both Ed & Charles for their unique writing
and inspiration I absorbed from their inspiring words.
Mickey Smythe

Posted by Micky Smythe on 04/27/2018 at 8:30 AM

Re: “The Unknown Grave of Ed Abbey

And his gravesite is still a well-guarded secret. Thank goodness.

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Posted by SonoranWinds on 04/26/2018 at 1:39 PM

Re: “A Box Full of Trouble

So like Leo... picture of an Airstream ... Leo sees a double wide. Kind of like how he sees the borderlands...

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Posted by Cascabel on 11/19/2017 at 12:02 AM

Re: “A Box Full of Trouble

I ordered the book yesterday. Can't wait.

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Posted by Robert Schwebel on 11/16/2017 at 9:58 AM

Re: “Checkpoint Trauma

I always have a good day 'smile and wave'. Especially after being exonerated in court like I have every time one of CBP's minions has tried to do CBP's dirty work for them.

How many times have your buddies tried and failed now? I'm starting to lose count. You could ask the TOPD though, they may know.

While you're at it, why don't you tell everyone why deputies with the PCSD hang out at the CBP roadblock along SR-86 'smile and wave'. I know I'm looking forward to telling the judge why....

Checkpoint USA
https://roadblockrevelations.org/wp

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Posted by Checkpoint USA on 09/29/2017 at 11:41 PM

Re: “Checkpoint Trauma

Checkpoint USA....you are an idiot! You just provoke and when you get put on your place, you cry. Why don't you tell everyone about how you've been arrested by PCSO for your idiotic acts? You are not an activist, you are just ignorant. Have a good day. :)

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Posted by Smile and wave on 09/28/2017 at 1:54 PM

Re: “Checkpoint Trauma

The CBP roadblock located along SR-86 just outside Three Points, AZ first became a fixture along the highway in January of 2008. It's pretty much been operated 24/7 365 days a year ever since. I've recorded every compelled interaction I've had at the roadblock since it's inception - we ll over 600 and counting at this stage. One of my earlier interactions took place on January 8, 2008 and can be viewed at:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6uw7506xMw

Before January 2008, the roadblock had been setup a few times for brief periods. Once on April 15, 2005. See:

http://roadblockrevelations.org/DHS/DHSroadblock.htm

and again on November 12, 2006.

I've been to court multiple times over the years regarding my roadblock encounters and will again in the near future.

Checkpoint USA
https://roadblockrevelations.org/wp

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Posted by Checkpoint USA on 09/24/2017 at 10:41 PM

Re: “Checkpoint Trauma

I am a white middle aged woman. I had an agent follow me to a gate on my private property and threaten to pull me out of the window of my truck. I can not imagine the fear and emotional damage these assholes inflict on children with brown skin. The whole situation is beyond disgusting.

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Posted by Kali Turner on 09/23/2017 at 6:57 PM

Re: “Checkpoint Trauma

I taught out in Sells for a couple of years. I remember asking my class once how many of them had been stopped and had secondary inspections at the checkpoint. Every single hand went up. I told them that I never had and that the officers always looked shocked if my husband was with me and we told them he wasn't a citizen, because we are about as white as you can get. As I went through with clear sailing time after time and my students' families were pulled over time after time, it just began to feel very very wrong.

And I'll say hi to Sebastian, because I suspect I taught him a couple summers ago. :)

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Posted by Traci Robison Klein on 09/22/2017 at 9:44 PM

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