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It’s the oddest thing. Ex-Superindent of Public Instruction John Huppenthal doesn’t appear to like A-F state school grades any more than I do. And, to raise the level of oddity a notch, he was superintendent in 2011 when the state grading system went into effect.

I was a regular Huppenthal critic when he served as Education Superintendent from 2011 to 2015. These days, he is a frequent commenter on my posts, and I continue to disagree with him on almost every educational issue worth disagreeing on. But under my last post criticizing the state grading system, Huppenthal chimed in with a total of five comments, which he summed up when he wrote, “The letter grading system does more damage than good. And, I am the guy who originally put it into state law.” He went on to write, “They mix two calculations which can’t be mixed: growth and achievement.”

I agree with every word.

As I wrote in the previous post, the A-F grading system doesn’t help much when, to use the example of two elementary schools in TUSD, a school with about 25 percent of its students passing the state’s high stakes test and another school with about 70 percent passing both got a “B” state grade in 2019.

It doesn’t make any sense to regular human beings that schools with such widely different student passing rates should get the same grade. To understand, you have to know that the school with a 25 percent passing rate increased about ten points from 2018, while the 70 percent school dropped about four points. You also have to know that student growth makes up half of a school’s grade.

When a school gets a “B,” does it mean it has high test scores or high year-to-year student growth? There’s no way of knowing without taking a deep dive into the data. And the main purpose of the grading system is to make school comparisons easy to understand, as Huppenthal wrote in a 2011 letter introducing the state grading system.

“With the new A-F system, parents benefit by having, at their fingertips, an easy-to-understand, equitable school grading system when deciding which educational environment best meets their children’s needs.”

That’s the stated goal of the state grading system, to create an “easy-to-understand” way for parents and others to evaluate schools. Which means, the A-F grading system has earned itself a grade of “F,” or at best a “D” if you want to factor in the effort that went into creating the failed system.

I don’t place blame for the grading system’s failure on Huppenthal or anyone else who helped create it or tried to improve it. They did the best they could. The problem is, state school grades are a stupid, destructive idea.

Stop fiddling with state grades in a vain attempt to improve them. Get rid of them and the high-stakes-testing horse they rode in on. If you won’t listen to me, maybe you’ll find Mr. Huppenthal, one of the creators of our state grading system, a more credible source.

An End Note Or Two: As I was getting ready to write this, I looked back over some posts I had written about state grades and found, a little over a year ago, I wrote another post citing a statement Huppenthal made about the problem with the state grading system. In a story on public radio station KJZZ, Huppenthal said, “Here we have this letter grading system that comes in and is beating, to put it bluntly, beating the hell out of schools that are serving the most at-risk populations.” Huppenthal has had problems with the grading system for awhile.

In my last paragraph before the end notes, I implied that Huppenthal agrees with me that we should get rid of high stakes testing as well. I’m not sure that’s entirely accurate, but I don’t think it’s incorrect based on other statements Huppenthal made on my last post. He ended one comment by writing, “So, in the end, test score accountability is a dead end, doing more damage than good.” He isn’t saying he’s against standardized testing, just “test score accountability,” which is the high-stakes part of high-stakes testing. And in his final comment, he wrote about working with David Garcia — yes, the Democrat David Garcia who ran for education superintendent and governor — on creating a testing system which sampled students instead of testing all of them. That would keep a system of standardized testing to evaluate the quality of education in Arizona without attaching a high stakes accountability system to the results.

7 replies on “Ex-Education Superintendent John Huppenthal And I Have a Rare Moment Of Agreement, About State Grades”

  1. I also enjoy Mr Huppenthal’s deep and well thought out comments. He should have a column here to help fix education.

  2. AZ/DC!, that didn’t occur to me but now that you mention it, that’s perfectly plausible. Once a sock puppet employer, always a….?

  3. David,

    Strange to see my name in a headline again, uncomfortable.

    But, doesn’t matter that we agree, our current education culture grew around annual testing over the last 100 years or so. That culture is in the minds of hundreds of millions of parents and students. Took me 18 years on the education committee and reading every study to fully grasp the impact of annual testing on education culture.

    I advocate focusing on parent, student and teacher surveys to reduce the toxicity of annual testing. If you focus on improving quality from each vantage point, you can dilute the toxic effects of standardize testing.

    Letter grading amps up the toxic effect of annual standardized testing. Here’s a job for you David. Track down all the letter grade states. Find out if there has been a differential shift in NAEP scores between letter grade and non-letter grade states.

    I recently looked at Tempe Elementary School District, analyzing their gains the same way I looked at TUSD. Why Tempe? They not only do the annual testing, they test three times a year internally. I like the test they use: Northwest Evaluation Association (computer adaptive). They make almost a perfect case study because they have been doing it for so long. So, has all this testing raised their gains above the statewide average? No. Their average school ranking is 100 slots below the statewide average.

    This is a well run district.

    Small sample size but interesting.

    Three scientists in the 60s revolutionized companies. One of these, Deming, built a revolution around sampling to improve quality instead of inspecting. All these tests are inspections with all the damage done by inspections. NAEP, by comparison, is a sample. A large school district like TUSD could sample instead of inspect.

    Its hard to imagine a school district being able to make that cultural leap.

  4. David,

    Tomorrow morning, I am flying out to a school district over 1,500 miles away, perhaps the worst school district in the U.S. In Sean Reardon’s national ranking, based on academic gains, not test scores, this school district ranked at the very bottom, as low as you can go, the first percentile. What’s worse, they are a school district of significant size. Given the normal curve in statistics, that means that some of these schools have to be so bad, that the students go downhill instead of uphill.

    That may seem impossible, but in 2013, we had 2,000 students from over 80,000 who scored lower in math in 8th grade than they scored in 3rd grade, 5 years earlier.

    I don’t know what to expect. I am going to spend five days going from school to school talking to principals making presentations and observing. I’ve had a lot of luck with this approach, just walk in and ask to see the principal.

    Wish me luck. As the Blues Brothers would say, on a mission from God. Don’t know if I can do any good or not.

  5. I have been working at a very low-income public school in a rural Arizona area for several years now. Our kids come to us with little or no preschool, speech and language difficulties, and basically one to two years behind……before they even start kindergarten. Our dedicated, engaging teachers do a marvelous job with these kids…..dealing with not only academic challenges…but also social, emotional, speech, language, family, and poverty issues. As a result, even though our students make tremendous growth, they are not performing at grade level. Several of us have wondered…..Could a test be given at the beginning of the academic year….and then at the end of the same academic year….to show their actual growth?

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