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Re: “The Skinny

There is going to be a "cake walk" if you will for seats once McCain makes his retirement plans. Long dollars say McSally could be moved to his seat, but Kelli Ward is making a lot of noise for it. Ducey says he won't name himself. If he moves McSally her seat would then be another appointment of a southern Arizonan, of which there are numerous possibilities.

It would be fun to start a list, before Jim Click does. God rest his soul Emil Franzi would have been fun in that position. Anybody seen Roy Laos lately?

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Posted by Politics On Display on 07/27/2017 at 12:01 PM

Re: “A Few Thoughts On the Mexican American Studies Trial

David, thanks for the thoughtful reply.

I disagree with your foundational premise. A white child born in 2003 (i.e., a High School freshman today) has not been brought up in an educational system (or a society) that sustains white supremacy, or that even permits any positive expression of white identity. Quite the opposite.

But we don't have to agree on this.

My hypothetical AAS program would not be based on the milquetoast, IMPLICITLY pro-white narrative present in U.S. education prior to, say, the 1990s. It would be EXPLICITLY pro-white. One of its goals would be to encourage the formation of a positive white identity among its students.

And my point is just that we would never permit such a thing, even if it managed to create significantly improved educational outcomes among poor and otherwise disadvantaged white students. One of the reasons we would never permit it is because is because encouraging ethnic chauvinism is bad for social cohesion.

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Posted by Nathan K on 07/27/2017 at 11:35 AM

Re: “A Few Thoughts On the Mexican American Studies Trial

Nathan K, you've posed an interesting thought experiment. One problem with it is, your laboratory in the classroom is isolated from the rest of society. It doesn't take into account that this country's culture overwhelmingly presents the world from a white perspective. A "White Studies" program which overstated the white dominance argument would be reinforcing what people have heard in this country since its inception. We've made some advances toward multiculturalism in recent years, but they're small, early steps which don't nearly counterbalance the Eurocentric narrative. "White studies" -- in other words, the traditional curriculum, possibly exaggerated from what it is today -- would be compounding the historical and cultural misconceptions which permeate our society.

So let's pose your thought experiment again, adding a new wrinkle. If whites were the oppressed minority in this country and people of color were the winners who wrote the histories and dominated the national narrative, if society taught whites that they were inferior, that they deserved their place at the bottom of the socioeconomic heap, would it make sense to have a "White studies" program, even if it sometimes went overboard and overstated the value and importance of white contributions to society and dwelled on the injustices visited on white students, their parents and their ancestors? Would it be a needed counterbalance to the nationwide oppression of whites -- in this version of your thought experiment -- an attempt to correct the record and turn white children's sense of inferiority into a feeling of empowerment?

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Posted by David Safier on 07/27/2017 at 11:09 AM

Re: “Jogger Plans Half-Day Run To Support No More Deaths

"During World War II, some of Schuster's Jewish great aunts and uncles died in Auschwitz. He said he sees parallel treatment of immigrants today."

Reminder - Israel has a massive wall to keep out illegal immigrants, and has accepted no Muslim war refugees for permanent resettlement.

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Posted by Nathan K on 07/27/2017 at 10:57 AM

Re: “The Skinny

The 'carpetbagger' accusations are fair. She is chasing a political career and CD-2 will only be a stepping stone, she and McSally have that in common. If she wins, she will skip town in a few years to run for the Senate again. In truth, she should reconsider her move to Tucson and should look seriously at a run for the Senate in 2018, it is her best shot with both seats potentially being open. Anne is not right for Tucson. I don't know which candidate is but at this point she has the most to prove and overcome.

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Posted by HumanBean on 07/27/2017 at 10:34 AM

Re: “Ask a Mexican!

The problem with "The Mexican" is his inability to separate his Left Wing bias from his (presumed) nationality.

His he a "Mexican" (born in Mexico) and a citizen of Mexico? If so he represents a minority viewpoint.

Is he an "American" born in America who believes he is a "Chicano"? If so he is simply a "left winger," as the majority of Americans of Hispanic descent (and former Mexican citizens who immigrated HERE lawfully) do NOT share his "open borders" viewpoint.

As for land: what WAS formerly Mexico, is NOW America, paid for with blood and treasure. ALL land in EVERY country around the world was at one time paid for with blood and treasure.

Get used to it, Chico!

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Posted by Roy Warden 1 on 07/27/2017 at 10:19 AM

Re: “Ask a Mexican!

BSLAP: Nice post. I'd like to contact you. How can we connect?

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Posted by Roy Warden 1 on 07/27/2017 at 10:11 AM

Re: “A Few Thoughts On the Mexican American Studies Trial

"The picture you paint of educational whiteness is exactly how our educational system used to be, before programs like MAS"

No not really. Previously, our educational system was implicitly pro-white. We were an 85-90% white country, critical theory was still in its incubation stage, so you wouldn't expect a counter-narrative, and there wasn't one. Now, there are all manner of counter-narratives being generated by the critical theorists who dominate the education Academy, and these narratives can be sustained because we are now a country that is 62% white and dropping (and a city that is 50% white, and dropping).

My question is, suppose we could increase the educational outcomes of poor, underperforming white students by putting them in a system that was more EXPLICITLY pro-white than say, the curriculum taught in U.S. schools in the 1980s - a curriculum that purposefully excluded these counter-narratives. Should we do it? Is there any level of increased outcomes that would justify such a system?

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Posted by Nathan K on 07/27/2017 at 10:02 AM

Re: “A Few Thoughts On the Mexican American Studies Trial

Well, there ya go. The last refuge of a racist is to call people who challenge them on it "racist."

Give it a break, Dupenthal. First rule when you're in a hole--stop digging.

Re: Nathan K's "logic" problems, they are utterly illogical. The picture you paint of educational whiteness is exactly how our educational system used to be, before programs like MAS--and more importantly, teachers who challenged the institutional racism of the educational system--came along.

No one was taught that the U.S. stole half of Mexico's territory in a bald-faced war of aggression. No one was taught that Native Americans were pushed off their land and slaughtered wholesale in a bald-faced war of genocide. No one was taught that racism was still a rife and destructive force in our supposedly democratic institutions, and remains so TO THIS DAY--criminal justice, voting rights, education, you name it.

Facts like these are demonstrable and indisputable, yet children in public schools were taught a very different reality that socialized them to be part of the problem when they grew up, rather than part of the solution. Suppressing and discriminating against identities is what creates social strife. Claiming and celebrating identities only creates strife for people who feel threatened by those identities and would prefer to mask or erase them with mandatory whiteness.

THAT is why programs like MAS are absolutely necessary--because without them, racist apologists like you and Dupenthal would continue to sweep these realities under the rug.

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Posted by skinnyman on 07/27/2017 at 9:44 AM

Re: “A Few Thoughts On the Mexican American Studies Trial


Does 95 round to a hundred? Does 3.8 years of progress round to 4 years? I'll stick with 4 students but for all practical purposes, its five.

The students alternate, doing fluency problems at their highest possible level one day and math comprehension (word problems) the next at their highest possible level the next day.

Try sticking students on "Number Munchers" for 40 minutes a day. That would fall apart in less than a month. My students averaged 36 minutes a day of math work for an entire year. A recent research study showed that students at the tenth percentile averaged only two minutes of reading a day. Its hard to believe that they would have done much more math work.

I am glad that you paid such close attention, even if you are a critic.


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Posted by on 07/27/2017 at 9:20 AM

Re: “Danehy

Thanks, Tom, for a great column. I don't usually choke up from reading the Weekly, but this week, you got me. Even some tears...of joy. Having been around Amphi and meeting Coach Friedli (usually at the grocery store) he was ALWAYS a gentle man and one of the most positive educators I've erer met.

Should you ever pen a script for "the Vern Friedli Story", let us know. I'm in line for opening night tickets.

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Posted by n7iqv on 07/27/2017 at 9:14 AM

Re: “Summer Catch

Appreciate the player insight and perspective. Well written article-definitely makes one want to "go out to the ballpark"!

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Posted by Mama Sammy on 07/27/2017 at 9:10 AM

Re: “A Few Thoughts On the Mexican American Studies Trial


Ethnic studies students were not getting statistically different results on academic gains. There were t tests run. The students were gaining about 9 points. That's not enough to reduce the achievement gap. That's not excellent results. They had a very slightly higher graduation rates than the "control" group but so did every other subject and class because the numerator for the graduation rate of the "control" group was defined at a different point in time that the numerator for the graduation rate of MAS students.

What I am doing with my studies is establishing how fast students of color and of poverty can improve academically without any help from the home. If the typical Latino student can move 60 SAT points per year, 100 AZmerit points per year, that has tremendous significance. That's four times as fast as the typical student is doing now.

That means that the system is holding these kids down, that the system is racist.

That was Benjamin Franklin's breakthrough, as he studied African American students in school. He came to the conclusion that these kids were every bit as capable as white kids and that it was the institution of slavery that was holding them down. That was a huge breakthrough because not even abolitionists held that view.

We have a similar situation now. Liberals don't believe that Hispanics and Blacks have the ability to thrive and that we just have to accept their substandard academic outcomes.

In words they would never admit, they are racist to the core.

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Posted by on 07/27/2017 at 9:09 AM

Re: “Home is a Tenacious Heart

There is no shame in flipping burgers or working at a convenience store. She keeps saying that she doesn't believe in pan handling, yet she wants someone to give her a little piece of property. Show me that you can work for a year...then I will believe in you.

Posted by Julie Thompson on 07/27/2017 at 9:03 AM

Re: “A Few Thoughts On the Mexican American Studies Trial

A MAS thought experiment.

Imagine a Tucson neighborhood. It is located mid-town, along I-10, and consists mostly of trailer homes and light industrial facilities. Its population is 63% non-Hispanic white, the vast majority of whom are poor and disadvantaged: high unemployment, high incarceration rates, rampant opioid abuse, etc. It has one high school, three middle schools and three elementary schools, all of which underperform state averages, and especially, when measured relative to other majority non-Hispanic white school districts. We will call this neighborhood "Seeping Springs" for the purposes of our discussion.

Suppose that Seeping Springs High School ("go Cowboys!") introduces an Anglo-American studies program. This program's goal is to emphasize the positives of white, Euro-American Civilization. The curriculum is implicitly, if not explicitly, pro-white. Students learn white history starting with the Greeks and going through the moon landing. They read great works of white literature and study white art and music. They are taught evolutionary biology from a pro-white perspective, from Darwin, to Madison Grant, to Jensen and Rushton. There's a lecture on average racial IQ differences. The American Civil War is taught from the perspective of "lost cause" historians like Shelby Foote, and there's a largely positive unit on Arizona's Confederate history. Non-white cultural and historical contributions are deemphasized as not being culturally relevant to white students.

Participation in the Anglo-American studies program is voluntary, and it is open to all races and ethnicities.

After five years of the program's operation, grades (even in classes outside of the AAS program), standardized test scores, and the reported self-esteem of white students in the program all show statistically significant increases. Behavior problems show marked decreases.

Question - would we accept such a program, even if it lead to better educational outcomes? Should the state be permitted to stop it?

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Posted by Nathan K on 07/27/2017 at 8:32 AM

Re: “A Few Thoughts On the Mexican American Studies Trial

Huppenthal's comment didn't even make any sense as a response to this article. As such, it doesn't even really deserve a lot of conversation: sort of like Drumpfs repeated tweets. The bottom line is that it is sickening seeing the endless repetition of "Anglo History Only" as the model that public education should use. Language is not the issue here--the issue is do you present history as a rich, moving and developing tapestry of rights and wrongs, causes and effects and interactions between peoples and genders and political parties and etc.? Or do you present it as a monocolor story that ends at the second world war (the last one we "won"---think about that please) and still has elementary school kids reading the same damned white male canon that I had to read fifty years ago? C'mon people, this is a no brainer. Pretending that critical people and thinkers and philosophies don't exist doesn't make them go away. Ignoring Marxism doesn't make it NOT one of the most relevant economic systems to a huge number of people in the world--it only makes you ignorant. Our recent Presidential election is a real slam to the education system in this country and the return and reinvigoration of programs like MAS are essential to turn it and this country around.

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Posted by Betts Putnam-Hidalgo on 07/27/2017 at 8:27 AM

Re: “Cannabis Court

On the taxation side, there is an ongoing case in Northern California, with the plaintiffs taking the position it was not Congress's intent that IRC 280(e) apply to state legal businesses. Unofficially, there are many IRS employees hoping the plaintiffs win.

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Posted by lc69hunter on 07/27/2017 at 7:07 AM

Re: “Ask a Mexican!

If the U.S. took half of Mexico then the U.S. took half of France in the Louisiana Purchase. The Mexican Cession was primarily unoccupied country (neither Mexico nor the U.S. ever counted Native Americans) with arbitrary lines drawn back in Europe based on a few Spaniards on horses riding through the area years earlier and some treaties made with Spain. Santa Anna gladly handed it over for some quick money to save his butt. Mexico couldn't control that region and had very little population there and, quite likely, if the U.S. hadn't taken it, someone else would have or it would've seceded from Mexico anyway. It was a semi-autonomous region with constant revolts and mixed populations.
Besides, Mexico stole it from Spain 25 years earlier (who stole it from the Apaches, Navajos, Hopis, Utes, Pasquas, etc.). Not saying the war was right, far from it, but let's not make up a simplistic and misleading history in order to create some vast grievance that justifies illegal immigration all the while pretending to be teaching stupid Americans their true history.
And Mexicans were forced North like the Irish? I must've missed the news of the famine and the U.N. airlifts of rice and flour. Comparing it to the potato famine is hyperbole.
Migrants came north not due to famine, but because of a population surge prior to widespread use of birth control, economic disruptions and lack of opportunity (partly based on policies their own government set), and better money was available in the U.S. These are the same reasons most immigrants came here. But you make it sound like the big bad U.S. forced them into NAFTA and it was a choice between death and immigration. This is over-simplification to advance an agenda.
Not saying anything for or against Mexican immigrants, or minimizing all of the crap Mexico and Mexicans have put up with from the U.S. and Americans over the years, but if you twist and over-simplify history with the transparent goal of creating a special right for Mexicans to immigrate to the U.S., you lose all credibility.

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Posted by bslap on 07/27/2017 at 6:11 AM

Re: “A Few Thoughts On the Mexican American Studies Trial

Remember the story of the tower of Babel. In a multicultural society you need a common language to make your support systems (in this case anything associated with the economy and health) to run smoothly. So the argument for learning English is in fact an argument for get further in life."English only" is a shunt. In other words it is limiting and abrasive. I read part of the argument for the the Huppenthal and Horne side saying the MAS program taught "what to think rather than how to think". I have not seen the MAS program so I would only point out that if in fact that is true, then the MAS literature should be edited to teach how to think. Teaching what to think creates isolationism and leads to smaller economic groups which will stunt the communities growth.
and finally based on reading these comments some of you need to back up a bit and think about how to make this work. The court ruling is is going to be an opinion that will be used for hard law. if your lucky the ruling will give you something to measure with and come to a decent conclusion.

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Posted by Pat on 07/27/2017 at 5:53 AM

Re: “The Skinny

I guess she hadn't heard that the Democrats changed their message. They now stand for whatever the Republicans stand for. Kind of a reflection of John McCain's history.

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Posted by There is no difference on 07/27/2017 at 5:14 AM

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