County Bond Measures Failing Vote So Far

1. The bond measures are failing because the same incompetents are being re-elected. I would have voted for them otherwise. But, when you look at the years and years of misappropriation and mismanagement, why would any sane person want to repeat their mistakes. Until these bums are thrown out, the city and the county will fall further into disrepair.

2. It is NOT the only way to get necessary funds. Stop lying and stealing from us. It is time to downsize the government workforce and cut pension plans in half. You have robbed us for years. We will find a way to get even with you financially speaking.

   Thank you voters. You have figured them out.

3. It is NOT the only way to get necessary funds. Stop lying and stealing from us. It is time to downsize the government workforce and cut pension plans in half. You have robbed us for years. We will find a way to get even with you financially speaking.

   Thank you voters. You have figured them out.

4. I feel sorry for all the illegals drawn here by Raul Grijalva through all of the local politicians. Their dream of shangra la – free baja Arizona with unlimited freebees from the taxpayers, was rejected by the voters.

5. I feel sorry for people like you, What. You don’t seem to have any joy in your life and feel the need to find others to blame for it. You should try therapy.

6. The county needs to wake up, tax and spend doesn’t work. Manage your money like the taxpayers.

7. I could have told them some of the reasons why their measures wouldn’t pass, but they didn’t ask me. They ask the same people who live in the yes bubble, and none of them like to hear hard truths.

   One reason, the voters they relied on (democrats) didn’t show up at the ballots because when was the last time we had real primary it was a foregone conclusion who was winning too. Republicans didn’t run great campaigns to get them in the running for the swing vote, but the republicans probably showed up hence the closer than expected results on that end.

   Another reason is that the ballot books are just that, books. I want to read the ballot measures period so send that at separately in a 7 page booklet someone can digest. Pro/Con can go in a separate book people choose to read.

   The supporting groups also dropped the ball. Instead of making a case and educating on why the specific projects that were needed they all just said “vote yes on all 8” thinking they the good little followers would take them at ‘hello.’

   However, I took the initiative to look through the (hundreds and hundreds) of projects on the bonds. I saw a lot of truly unnecessary spending enough (local bacon) to make me conflicted as to what I was voting for. I have no problem paying the money for important things but some of those really weren’t and its insulting to intelligent voters not blind lever pullers. Also some of us are tired of supporting unincorporated areas, so Pima County needs to clean up that mess they let happen and let those conservative voters incorporate and fix some of those with their own money. As indicated, their voters are more conservative than the City which is why their measures are failing so miserably. If COT puts a bond forth I vote for them (like the streets).

   Pleased the COT initaitives for hiring/firing and voting were passed, but the way the council treats their disposable managers, it won’t make a difference. They don’t like his/her hires they fire him/her instead. Unless you have a policy strong mayor, they too will just fall in line with the majority because they vote last and have the ability to waffle as to not stick out.

   So yeah, first election I did not vote in, in my entire life.

8. In real cities influx of jobs and population funds repairs and improvements. That is exactly what we are lacking. Qualified leaders that to improve Tucson. We can’t keep doing what we have been doing and expect a different outcome. These elected officials exemplify the Peter Principle.

9. The reason for the failure of the bond issues (and the traffic cameras) can be summed up in a single word: distrust. The county and the city pols have a long road to travel to win back the trust of even their own natural allies.

10. But Rick at this point that’s a lot like saying that we should focus on OJ Simpsons football accomplishments and stop talking about the two people he murdered.

    “aint gonna happen.”

    We must wrestle our future away from these people.

11. Strikes me as really pretty simple. The voters have little to no confidence in the ability of the County Government. Why give it more money given its past performance.

    On the other hand Tucson has actually accomplished something with the downtown and the voters responded by returning the incumbents to office. The unwillingness or inability of the Republicans to mount a mayoral campaign bears this out. The GOP knew it did’t have an opportunity here.

    I don’t see things changing for the County or the voters’ attitude toward it until we get some leadership (instead of mumbles) out of the County Administrator.

12. Until the county cuts property taxes I doubt that anyone will vote for an expensive bond.

13. A victory for those folks who drive around in old GM cars with peeling paint and who live in tiny always angry minds illuminated by screens still running windows 96. Embittered over the fact that nobody ever listens to their tax whining, they get their revenge by voting, the only weapon in their mental ammo locker.
    In their minds, streetcars will always be bad, any tax increase is always bad, liberals are bad, anybody with more than a high school education MUST be a liberal, probably gay or lesbian and must a socialist as well! All of the supes in Pima county are bad, of course, except for that one republican lady who shows over and over again that she can’t handle math past the fourth grade very well, and therefore she is just like “us.”
    Conveniently forgotten is that time when PIMA county was run by republicans, and how it almost caused a total meltdown. The big losers here will be everyday people who have more important things on their minds, and their children. The bonds would have made the City and the County a much nicer place to live and a more attractive place for future businesses. A far better idea than the 100 million dollars’ worth of “tax breaks” the state of Arizona offered to phantom businesses and for which our school budgets were pillaged.
    But no, let’s hang on to one wardog obsolete giant missile shop on old Nogales Highway and a dying Air Force base with a fleet of geriatric planes scheduled for the aluminum smelter.
    It would have been a great thing, especially for children, but as we know by now, Republicans were never children or their memories of childhood were those of continuous suffering and now they feel that all of us must suffer as well. Let’s keep on living in that tiny box of anger and fear of change.
    God forbid, there was too much detail in the bond proposals, usually something referred to as honesty. And that terrible velodrome, for a town that has a booming bike population and which attracts scores of foreign bike racers for practice during cold winter months in Europe and who are more than willing to spend their cash here, riding on crumbling roads.
    But, just to let you Buick owners know, we don’t give up that easy. We know that you’re part of the “Keep Tucson Shitty Crowd”
    Lets all work together with the city and the county to work to make the next bond proposal a more successful thing. Let us call the folks at the county who failed in their bond proposals and offer input and assistance to make things work better next time. And yes I voted.

14. Huckleberry should resign or be fired. This is 100% his.

15. Sorry reality check but your reality is perverted. I pay luxury car tax rates, investments are capped, taxes maxed, and I love the downtown. I just wish it had paid for itself.

    The rest of your views sound strangely like some type of reverse guilt that you are assigning to people who disagree with you.

    We have paid for road repair and maintenance 10 times over, but the money has been funneled into pension plans that are still grossly under funded.

    Two A10s just saved my son in law’s life in Afghanistan. (For the second time)

    Like somebody else this morning said it sounds like you have visions of unicorns and rainbows dancing through your head.

    That isn’t reality.

16. Yes, David, a plane which was designed in 1976. And since the Air force has wasted a trillion dollars’ worth on a useless F35 with a defective overworked underpowered engine, with a gun that only works on the ground and a helmet that pilots don’t like to wear with an ejection seat that can kill, we still have to use this flying antique. Recommend that you go to the County Netsite where its finances are fully and accurately shown. Funding for road repairs and related items is very limited. A major cause is our inept state legislature and our governor who attends koch brothers’ parties where I believe he is the designated toilet paper roll changer for the men’s room, if ya get my drift.
    BTW I have worked as a defense contractor and have seen the waste and incompetence myself first hand. Worn R12s in Afghanistan with leaking fuel tanks, contractors operating misfit planes and getting shot down with no benefits for their families, sorry no rainbows and unicorns.

17. Good Bye Red Light Cameras!
    Now I can drive through all the red lights between South Tucson and the new Dog Pound….Oh, excuse me, the “Tucson Meth Dealer Memorial Pit Bull Drop Off Site”(TMDMPBDOS) paid for with a BOND.
    Check out the cost per square foot for your new pound, taxpayer!

18. Reality check, it does not matter to our family what year that life saving airplane was built. But we both seem to be arguing the same point. The government is totally incompetent in most of their endeavors. At some point the tax payer will become fed up enough to do something about it. The details they added to the bonds were pet projects for giving off the “aroma” of something good in a 3/4 B$ pile of stench. Most voters figured it out.

    And as far as blaming the Kochs and Az Legislature for theft of HURF funds, ask the AZ Hiway Patrol where the funds went. Your legislature is trying to get them back. Tucsonan’s are jealous of the roads they have in Phoenix, but we didn’t fund much of that. Real growth, and job creation that was brought about by leadership did. International bicyclers will not provide a viable economic base to a million people. Eco tourism has failed Patagonia for pete’s sake.

    But we do have a street car.

    Which by the way is going broke. Much like Obamacare.

    Oh wait, that’s us isn’t it?

19. Gandalf, if only our veterans were treated so good.

20. Amen Debbie!

21. at least one person on this misbegotten thread gets it.

    Thanks for some sanity, reality check.

22. If you don’t love A-10’s and don’t like property taxed being raised, get out.

    Those two things make Tuscon great!

    I miss “Shitty” Downtown. Where I could get a beer for less than $5 and a cocktail for less than $8.

    I do like the new parking garage and parking meters though.

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