http://www.tucsonweekly.com/tucson/unhealthy-horses/Content?oid=2045640 Comments On: Unhealthy Horses by Tim Vanderpool en-us Copyright 2013 Tucson Weekly. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, Tucson Weekly readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact Tucson Weekly. dmendez@tucsonweekly.com (Tucson Weekly Webmaster) Thu, 23 May 2013 00:00:01 -0700 Thu, 23 May 2013 07:45:00 -0700 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Posted by Louisadelmar]]> Mon, 05 Jul 2010 14:57:57 -0700 Tucson Weekly Posted by anonymous1234]]> Sun, 04 Jul 2010 16:44:18 -0700 Tucson Weekly Posted by Toni]]> Sun, 04 Jul 2010 15:45:33 -0700 Tucson Weekly After reading the numerous comments by Katie Parker, anonymous 1234, and Courtney for the umpteenth time, I am disheartened to see the editor isn't checking to make sure the comments policy is followed. These folks are making numerous slanderous and personal attacks on Judy Glore, and the writer, Tim Vanderpool.
Posted by Regina]]> Sun, 04 Jul 2010 07:36:42 -0700 Tucson Weekly Posted by GoatLover]]> Sun, 04 Jul 2010 01:02:25 -0700 Tucson Weekly
seems some of these comments are getting off the track of the point of the article and the comments it received

the article was not about breeding animals of any type for racing, or racing industries in general
it was implying the farms budget was tight and because of that or according to susan because these animals are just commodities they euthanize anything that is considered worthless or not worth money, etc, etc

i have been the farrier at the farm for several years and i can state without a doubt that this is not the truth, and anyone that personally knows me KNOWS i would not have anything to do with any barn where that was the case

i am not a huge fan of any of the racing industries myself but i will tell you that without a doubt the small number of babies put on the ground each year at the university farm are very well cared for, in my opinion this is about as good as it gets for any racing/breeding stable , and this is not the kind of barn that gives horse racing a bad name

it makes me mad that the racing thing is being drug into this when this barn is about as good as you can get in that industry, there are tons of things wrong with the racing industry, the university farm is so small, puts such a small amount of babies on the ground and cares well for those horses - it does not even register
these animals are also used to teach students, this is not strictly a breeding facility, they do NOT have 50 head of breeding animals, there are 16 horsemanship horses included in that group that are used to teach riding classes and show team

we have way bigger breeding facilities in tucson breeding arabs, warmbloods, quarters, paints
putting way more animals on the ground each year

the horses at the university farm live as natural a life as they can possibly be given while they are there, they have way more room to run around and exercise and be normal horses than the ones judy has standing in stalls
the staff treats those horses like they are there friends, they know all their personalities, they are NOT treated like commodities there
yes there is a budget and it has to be taken into consideration with what is done or not done just like in any household that owns horses

it insults me and everyone else i know who take good care of their animals but don't have or would choose not to pay $3000.00 to $10,000.00 to do colic surgery or whatever on 1 of their horses to imply we are all lousy horse owners because of this

finances, age of horse, degree of injury/sickness all has to be taken into account

i told judy standing in front of the barn at the farm the day she picked him up that i thought domino should be put to sleep and i STILL think he should have been
and this is why

domino had numerous things wrong with him and all of them were going to be expensive
AND it was not definite, nor is it definite now that he is going to lead a long and sound life, or even comfortable life

it is a BIG deal to cut the flexor tendon on a baby that young, it is a big deal anytime you cut a flexor tendon, it is controversial and i bet if you ask 10 vets about doing that you would get a lot of different answers and i know some would be totally against it
the horse people in these comments know what this means, people like tim have no clue
this is not a normal fix, this horse did not need to be stitched up or maybe have a bone chip removed or something like that where the outcome was more certain, this is a big deal
obviously az equine felt he would be ok or they would not have done it
but i attended a hoof clinic here in tucson by a vet/farrier from rood and riddle the huge vet clinic in kentucky and i ask him specifically about cutting the flexor tendon on a horse that young- i was referring to domino
i had no idea if this was done regularly in big vet clinics and i wanted to know
for people like tim who have no idea who rood and riddle is, it is probably one of the top 3 equine vet clinics in the country, according to their website they have 50 vets on staff and more than 200 employees
i ask this vet if they would ever cut the flexor tendon on a 1 to 2 month old baby, he looked at me like i was crazy and said no, it is a SALVAGE procedure and on top of that you would not want to do it so young because the animal was still growing
so this is not a FIX, i am sure different horses respond differently like in anything else, and i truly hope he will be fantastic but this was a big deal and an iffy, expensive deal
on top of that according to judy his shoulder is fractured
that is a lot of different places to have problems down the road not to mention it sounds like to some degree he is vision impaired on 1 side

so yes judy saved his life but here is another point
i would guess at this point judy has a minimum of $3500.00 in him, by the time you pay $3000.00 for surgery and haul him to phoenix and back, bandages, meds etc, etc
so look at it this way, domino was going to be humanely euthanized by a vet with pain killers etc at the farm
how many sound horses (with no eye or leg problems) at the chandler sale that saturday got on a killer buyers truck for $200-$400 each, then got hauled to mexico crammed in a trailer and probably had their throats cut when they got across the border?
how many of those horses could judy have saved with that $3500.00? 6?
Posted by Courtney Vincent]]> Sat, 03 Jul 2010 18:58:30 -0700 Tucson Weekly Posted by anonymous1234]]> Sat, 03 Jul 2010 17:33:22 -0700 Tucson Weekly Posted by Katie Parker - RVT, CVT]]> Thu, 01 Jul 2010 19:52:45 -0700 Tucson Weekly Posted by Concerned Citizen]]> Wed, 30 Jun 2010 22:35:36 -0700 Tucson Weekly
I am compelled to comment on this part of your statement: "We don't want to cause any problems with UofA, none, We just want you to know that their are people out here that are willing to help. If you think a horse is beyond help and needs to be put down ask a rescue..."

Isn't that exactly what the UA did with Domino?
Posted by ua student]]> Wed, 30 Jun 2010 21:42:51 -0700 Tucson Weekly Posted by GoatLover]]> Wed, 30 Jun 2010 19:57:23 -0700 Tucson Weekly Posted by AZ Horse Lover]]> Wed, 30 Jun 2010 12:33:40 -0700 Tucson Weekly Posted by HEART]]> Tue, 29 Jun 2010 22:11:58 -0700 Tucson Weekly Posted by MichelleMoz]]> Tue, 29 Jun 2010 21:27:20 -0700 Tucson Weekly Posted by Krista Wise]]> Tue, 29 Jun 2010 20:58:51 -0700 Tucson Weekly Posted by save the greyhounds]]> Tue, 29 Jun 2010 19:47:22 -0700 Tucson Weekly Posted by lfeizbtfl]]> Tue, 29 Jun 2010 19:18:46 -0700 Tucson Weekly Posted by retiredtpd]]> Tue, 29 Jun 2010 17:42:19 -0700 Tucson Weekly
Again, you show your ignorance by cutting and pasting Dr. Arns quote. What he said is true.
Posted by Toni]]> Tue, 29 Jun 2010 10:20:58 -0700 Tucson Weekly
laminitis is one stage of a major hoof problem, founder is the next stage, the worst stage
they are often used interchangeably
my point was that ellie was severe, drastic laminitis/founder
NOT a little arthritic like your student states
this is all way off the point

your article is based on the fact that the university is broke and scrimping on medical as a result
and yet on domino you state yourself that he was seen by a vet but judy and you disagree with how that vet treated him and recommended he be treated
so the colt did receive vet care you just disagree with the vet, a vet who is not employed by the university

seems the more we go over this the more the truth comes out
Posted by Courtney Vincent]]> Tue, 29 Jun 2010 09:36:19 -0700 Tucson Weekly
Dr. Mark Arns: “Because she had chronic laminitis and she couldn’t get around.”


-Tim Vanderpool
Posted by Tim Vanderpool]]> Tue, 29 Jun 2010 09:16:00 -0700 Tucson Weekly the university can hardly be blamed for doing what the vet instructed to care for the eye

either way i will check the paperwork myself and find out for sure

and PLEASE do some research on lamintis and founder so you know what you are talking about, you just look foolish making statements like that

amazing to me you would write an article like this with major issues with the truth and then be upset when people who know the program, know the care the horses get defend the program and feel judy made all these statements wrongly
what exactly did you expect

and dont you dare imply to me that i need to spend more time helping rescues, etc
i DO help rescues all the time, call karen at equine voices and ask her
i do a LOT of free trimming, free hauling and other things for different rescues on a regular basis
i drove over an hour and half to judys rescue and loaned her my sling so she could lift a horse there and do its feet
i also personally own and support out of my own pocket 14 head of rescue horses and 4 rescue dogs right now

you got yourself into this vitriol
we are upset because you did not print any kind of unbiased, researched article and we are justifiably upset

did it ever occur to you that maybe these people writing you have a clue what they are talking about in regards to to the equine center and you are getting such a strong reaction because your implications in this article were totally off base

most of us do not have time to deal with this, i know i am a very busy person and i felt so strongly about this i have taken the time to write you because i felt it was the right thing to do, i feel your implications are biased and wrong and have no problem standing up and saying that
Posted by Courtney Vincent]]> Tue, 29 Jun 2010 08:58:27 -0700 Tucson Weekly
Vitriol occurs when you and Judy Glore do not present all of the facts correctly. Question all you want, but report the TRUE facts.
Posted by Toni]]> Tue, 29 Jun 2010 07:53:30 -0700 Tucson Weekly
Maybe you should check the facts before working yourself into a tizzy.

Domino's medical records from the Equine Center, which I have sitting before me, read as thus:

August 3. "Dr. Meredith evaluated eye--made cytology slides--strep infection.
Posted by Tim Vanderpool]]> Tue, 29 Jun 2010 06:51:20 -0700 Tucson Weekly Posted by Courtney Vincent]]> Tue, 29 Jun 2010 01:23:38 -0700 Tucson Weekly