Mammey said: "So far, I'm losing a no-brainer argument. "
If you will care to check it out, you will find that prohibitionists always lose the debate on the internet. The major prohibitionist groups said five years ago that they had completely lost the debate on the Internet. They haven't won a debate for almost twenty years now.
The reason for that is that the legalizers went to the major research libraries back in the early 1990's and transferred the most important research to the internet. Once that happened, the argument was over. The research is absolutely overwhelming. The difference between the two sides is that the legalizers have read the research and the prohibitionists haven't. Read the links I have provided and see for yourself.
Mammey, here is your chance to make the plan for success. Here are the stats on the approximate number of people killed by drugs in the US in a typical year.
Tobacco - 400,000
Cheeseburgers (obesity) - 350,000
Alcohol - 100,000
All the illegal drugs combined, from all related causes - less than 20,000
Cocaine - 5,000
Heroin - 3,000
Aspirin/Tylenol - 3,000
Marijuana - 0
So tell us which drug problem you think we ought to tackle first. Then tell us how many people you think we ought to kill to solve the problem.
Sorry to hear about your brother. However, you will note that prohibition didn't stop that problem. In fact, we had fewer deaths from drug overdose when we had no laws at all. Most of the heroin problems are due to factors that are brought about by prohibition, such as impure products. The problems were noted as soon as the opiates were outlawed.
Just FYI, heroin is just another form of ordinary hospital morphine. The only difference between the two is that heroin is three times stronger by weight. One grain of heroin equals three grains of morphine. Otherwise, they are identical and may be used interchangeably. They are both converted to the same form of morphine once they enter the body.
So why is heroin completely illegal while morphine is used routinely in medicine every day? It is because our drug laws are built on hysteria and ignorance, without an ounce of common sense.
You can read a good history of how the heroin problem came about in Licit and Illicit Drugs at http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/st… See the chapter titled "The Heroin Overdose Mystery" for a good discussion of what really kills heroin users.
So why is marijuana illegal in the first place?
Marijuana was originally outlawed for two major reasons. The first was because "All Mexicans are crazy and marijuana is what makes them crazy." The second was the fear that heroin addiction would lead to the use of marijuana - exactly the opposite of the modern "gateway" idea.
Only one medical doctor testified at the hearings for the Marihuana Tax Act of 1937. The representative of the American Medical Association said there was no evidence that marijuana was a dangerous drug and no reason for the law. He pointed out that it was used in hundreds of common medicines at the time, with no significant problems. In response, the committee told him that, if he wasn't going to cooperate, he should shut up and leave.
The only other "expert" to testify was James Munch, a psychologist. His sole claim to fame was that he had injected marijuana directly into the brains of 300 dogs and two of them died. When they asked him what he concluded from this experiment, he said he didn't know what to conclude because he wasn't a dog psychologist. He also testified in court, under oath, that marijuana would make your fangs grow six inches long and drip with blood. He also said that, when he tried marijuana, it turned him into a bat, and then described how he flew around the room for two hours.
Mr. Munch was the only "expert" in the US who thought that marijuana should be illegal, so he was appointed US Official Expert on marijuana, where he guided US marijuana policy for 25 years. You can read the short history of the marijuana laws at http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/History/wh…
The marijuana laws were absolute lunacy, passed by lunatics. The only reason that you hear the kind of arguments offered by Mammey is that people stopped believing that marijuana will turn you into a bat.
Thanks, Mammey, for demonstrating the complete depth of the prohibitionist argument.
As for the IQ study, it was based on a grand total of ten people, and the difference found was about half the normal variation you would expect if one person took the test multiple times. That is, as opposed to lots of much larger studies which found no such effect. That's not to mention that there was no real cause and effect determined. There was nothing in those ten people to say whether their problem (if any) was due to the marijuana, or to any number of other issues they may have had.
Not that this was ever a rationale for the drug laws, anyway. It never had anything to do with the marijuana laws, and there is no evidence presented to show that prohibition would be a good approach to the problem, even if the research was the absolute truth.
As for the "ambition" thing and the gateway idea, those were discredited long ago, at least as far back as Nixon's US National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse. You can find the full text of that commission report at http://druglibrary.org/schaffer under Major Studies of Drugs and Drug Policy. You can find the history of how that gateway idea got started at http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/ga…
I shall get my sarcasm meter adjusted and check out your other work. Thanks.
Tell you what, J.M.
It is painfully obvious that you really don't know much about this subject, so let me give you some good references so you can come up to date.
You can find the short history of the marijuana laws at http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/History/wh… This is funny and fascinating. It is not what you expected.
You can find an excellent history of the drug laws in general at http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/st… If you haven't read this book then you really don't know the subject. It explains what has caused more drug epidemics among US kids than anything else.
You can find the largest study of the marijuana laws ever done at http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/st… This was Nixon's commission and it still stands as the most comprehensive review of the marijuana laws ever.
That will get you started. Come back when you have a basic understanding of the absolute lunacy that produced these laws. Then we can discuss the rest.
"And for God's sake, don't sell MMJ near any schools."
If you had any doubts about whether this thing was written by a hypocritical bigot, that ended it right there. It is the grand flourish at the end.
What's he upset about? It seems to be the great danger to children posed by marijuana. Think of the Children!
Why is that so stupid in this particular case? Let's start with the dangers of children. The approximate number of deaths from drugs in the US in a typical year is as follows:
Tobacco - 400,000
Alcohol - 100,000
All the illegal drugs combined, from all causes - fewer than 20,000
Marijuana - 0
In short, any modern child is about 25 times as likely to wind up dying from alcohol or tobacco than from any illegal drug. Not only that, but alcohol wins in all the other categories of problems, too. Alcohol accounts for about half of all deaths from homicide, suicide, fires, drownings, and auto accidents. It accounts for about half of all domestic abuse and two-thirds of all sexual assaults on children. By some estimates, it accounts for up to forty percent of inpatient hospital care. According to the US DOJ, it is the ONLY drug with any real connection to drug-induced violent crime.
Now look around your city. How many schools can you find where there is a store selling alcohol and/or tobacco right near a school? I am not familiar with Tuscon, but I can think of a number of schools that I have seen that are directly across the street from convenience stores, shopping centers, grocery stores, and other places selling booze.
The author simply demonstrates that he really knows nothing about the subject. But it sure makes a good mindless rant, doesn't it? Now he can go puff his chest out and feel proud because he is protecting the kids.
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