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    Craig_H on 01/10/2011 at 8:17 PM
    Wait, you're surprised a 22 year old is considered an adult? The legal age for buying a pistol is 21, three years after you're considered a legal adult for all intents and purposes. That's like asking "HOW could that 22 year old POSSIBLY have gotten a hold of alcohol?????"

    The more I read your post the more confused I get. Representative Gifford herself is one of those "idiot sicko gun-nuts," being an ardent supporter of 2nd Amendments rights and a purported gun owner. She even filed an Amicus curiae brief with the Supreme Court supporting individual gun rights in the 2008 Heller vs DC court case .

    Second you seem to have missed the part I was just talking about, where the Supreme Court voted that the 2nd Amendment is in fact an individual right, and the "militia" in question refers to the citizenry. "Regulated" in flowery 18th century language, oddly, had a different common meaning than now! It's clear, from the word's usage in many historical writings from the Founders, that "regulated" refers to discipline or training amongst troops. See the following:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendm…

    The Columbine shooters obtained guns illegally via a straw purchase. They did not buy the guns themselves. The VT shooter should have been prohibited from purchasing a gun under existing law at the time, but slipped through the cracks due to the failure of law enforcement to properly update the NICS database.

    Attempting to equate drivers licenses to guns fails here because a drivers license is not a permit to own a car so much as it is to operate one on public roadways, compared to a gun which is mostly used on private property. The closest equivalent for a gun would actually be a Concealed Carry License, which of course I'm sure you're against even though the process for obtaining it and the privileges it confers is basically what you describe when you say "drivers license." Also much like current gun law, you don't actually need a drivers license to operate a car on private property.

    You also seem to believe that gun purchases don't require a minimum age, which as stated earlier is not true. You must be 18 to buy rifles and shotguns, or 21 for handguns. In comparison to cars again I don't believe there is actually a legal age to title and therefore own a car. To buy a car you also don't have to pass federal background checks, conducted via the FBIs National Instant Background Check system, which have been mandatory since 1998. One gun per month laws and waiting period have also had no applicable effect on crime when enacted at the state level, and it wouldn't have stopped this shooting, VT, or Columbine as the guns were obtained far in advance as part of elaborate plans. Do you seriously think that what amounts to minor inconvenience will stop assassins, gang members, cartels, etc? Who buys a gun THE DAY they're executing their murder plot? As for using police and military to justify constant civilian training, they don't do it for safety's sake because they forget the whopping three or so controls on their guns. They do it so they can be sure they know how to kill other people in the line of their duties. Why would you want that taught if you're so concerned about gun violence rates?

    Then you denigrate into outrageous hyperbole about every gun owner being a Bible-thumping neocon and you've officially lost me. As you were earlier ignorant of Grifford's pro-gun ideology, I'm not surprised you're unaware of the amount of 2nd Amendment support amongst Blue Dog Democrats.

    Most of your outrage seems to be grounded in ignorance or the same type of polemics I'd expect out of a rightwing radical like Glenn Beck, sorry.