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Re: “Another Look at TUSD Salary Hikes and Prop 123

Frances Perkins: What makes you think that those complaining about current TUSD governance have not also worked against Ducey, against 123, against anti-public education candidates and in support of our public schools?

The fact is, Frances, that the existence of Ducey and his ALEC buddies in Phoenix is NOT an excuse for every malfeasant action of every public administrator in our underfunded Southern Arizona institutions. There are effective and ineffective ways to deal with the difficult situation public administrators are in right now in this state. The "strategies" (if they can be called that) being pursued by the current TUSD Board majority and their employee the Superintendent are extremely problematic, and that argument can be defended with a string of facts, as "Supporting Public Ed" did in one of the comments above.

Consider this: in a situation where funding flowing from the state is gravely insufficient, the capability of public administrators to build sufficient trust with the public so that bonds and overrides can be moved forward successfully is crucial. When administrative and governance actions over the course of an extended period systematically and repeatedly destroy the public's trust rather than building it, that's a serious problem and one the public would be well advised to take into consideration when they make decisions about how to vote in leadership elections:

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Posted by Public Ed Supporters are also angry about TUSD. on 07/19/2016 at 1:24 PM

Re: “Another Look at TUSD Salary Hikes and Prop 123

gcb1, I disagree with your analysis. If you think I was too convoluted and took too many words to explain what happened, let me try and make it simpler.

TUSD said to its teachers, "We're going to give you a $1,300 raise, guaranteed, even if Prop 123 fails. If it passes, we'll add another $700, bringing the total to $2,000."

Other Tucson-area districts said to their teachers, "We're not guaranteeing any salary raises. We'll wait to see if Prop 123 passes before we commit to anything."

That's what happened in a nutshell. What surprises me is that TUSD did such a lousy job of communicating what happened and allowed it to look like it cheated its teachers, when in fact, it was looking out for its teachers, no matter what happened in the Prop 123 election.

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Posted by David Safier on 07/19/2016 at 1:23 PM

Re: “Editor's Note

30-40 UNARMED black men, I apologize for the mistake. My source is the same as yours. In 2015 there were 38 unarmed black men shot and killed by police, so far this year there are 19.

Those other 100+ you want to add to the mix were ARMED at the time they were shot. Even amongst the unarmed men, most were shot after being tazed and continuing to attack officers or were going for the officers guns. GO read the reports, I did. A few more are tragic accidents and then, what's left? Maybe a handful of cases that amount to a bias or abuse of power by the police, and that is for the Justice Department to investigate, you know, the department headed by an incredible competent black woman who was nominated by a black president!

And meanwhile thousands of young black men are going to be murdered by other young black men.

Police officers are judged both by their badge and their race, the combination of the two can be lethal as we have seen in Dallas and Baton Rouge. To many of these people white cops are the 'devil' and black officers are 'Uncle Toms' or 'house *******'. Stereotypes and tropes that rob communities of the power to fix themselves by externalizing their issues are incredibly damaging for all of us in this society. The trope of the racist and abusive police officers hunting young black men is a most dangerous one and is one of the biggest threats to the futures of all Americans, not just the black men who are dying because of it.

How may more black men have to die before people like you realize that the police are a part of the solution and are not the problem?

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Posted by HumanBean on 07/19/2016 at 1:17 PM

Re: “Another Look at TUSD Salary Hikes and Prop 123

Prop 123 was a fraud essentially forced on the plaintiffs and the voters by a Biggs/Il Duce led legislature to make sure not one dime more of taxes anywhere goes to public schools. But we have dimes for private school subsidies, and prisons, prisons, and more prisons, and funding a parallel school system (privately operated charters) who do no better but waste more money and have less accountability. Now you all are pouncing on the local board for trying to balance teacher salaries, lack of books and technical equipment, and roof, rest room, and air conditioning repairs. The Biggs/Il Duce coalition violates the State Constitution with impunity and all you do is bitch about the TUSD board. Direct some energy for pro-public school candidates (regardless of party). Where is step two there Ducey?

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Posted by Frances Perkins on 07/19/2016 at 12:48 PM

Re: “Another Look at TUSD Salary Hikes and Prop 123

Thank you, Georgia Cole Brousseau. That is exactly right.

David: you are so untrustworthy, and you have NO regard for the truth. Do you think you are writing for an audience of idiots? It's insulting, what you expect us to swallow -- you even write things in the comment stream on your own blog that contradict what you wrote in the blog.

In your comment response to Lillian, you write "I was writing to refute the Star articles which left the impression that TUSD raises were lower than what other Tucson area districts gave their teachers. That assertion is incorrect."

But in the blog you wrote, "Because it left out TUSD's May 10 teacher raise, [the Star's] "CONCLUSION THAT TUSD RENEGED ON ITS PLEDGE TO ITS TEACHERS IS INACCURATE." It DID renege on its pledge to the teachers, which was that the 123 MONEY would be used for teacher raises. This shell game in which you seem to assert that the raise granted on May 10 should be considered a loan from the M&O fund to be paid back from 123 if the proposition passed is pure BS. That was not an explicit agreement made in advance of the vote on 123 with the people who were deployed to promote the Proposition and vote for it. Ask the teachers what Sanchez said, what Kristel Foster said. They lied AGAIN -- it has been their habit for three years now and they've been getting away with it, but THANK GOD the public is finally catching on.

Perhaps you should find another hobby in your retirement. People who experience the on-the-ground reality in these institutions do not appreciate the way you occupy your time by playing disingenuous word games in defense of your political buddies and their administrative and governance actions. The mismanagement we've seen for three solid years now is harming real people, degrading the quality of education available to tens of thousands of students. STOP lying about it and collaborating with those who lie about it.

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Posted by Wrong Again, David Safier on 07/19/2016 at 12:43 PM

Re: “Another Look at TUSD Salary Hikes and Prop 123

David, when it takes this many words and such convoluted argument to try to explain what happened, it becomes even more clear that people (voters) were deliberately misled by the board and to what would be done. If Kristel and Adelita and Cam knew that the 123 money would be spent with 2/3 going to other categories and still told the public that the 123 money would all be spent on teacher salaries, then they lied to the public and pulled a "bait and switch." If they didn't know this at the time of the articles, interviews, etc. then they are not in charge of the finances of the district, and that is their job. If they blindly agreed to the Pied Piper's plan and didn't speak up about it when it was presented for a vote, they have failed in their duty as board members again. I and many other people are angry, and used-car salesman techniques and savings/loan banker techniques to explain the financial situation is not working.

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Posted by gcb1 on 07/19/2016 at 12:12 PM

Re: “Another Look at TUSD Salary Hikes and Prop 123

Lillian, a few responses to your comments. First, my statement that 86 percent of the Prop 123 funds was a continuation of the earlier part of the paragraph, "If the district waited like other districts and took the entire $2,000 out of its Prop 123 funds, it would have amounted to 75 percent of the total." I was talking about the total salary increases, both from the May 10 board meeting and the Prop 123 funds. If I didn't make that clear, that's my fault for not phrasing it better. That goes for your statement about CFO Soto's presentation as well. She was referring to the amount of salary that was added after Prop 123 passed, while my point was to look at the total raise received by TUSD teachers and other employees. The employees don't really care if their 2016-17 raises were given in two parts or they received them all after Prop 123 passed. All that matters is the amount in their paychecks.

You say I accused other districts of shorting their employees by giving them bonuses. I said no such thing. Here's my point. The bonuses added to the raises put more money in teachers' pockets right now, which is good. But if the actual raise is lower, after a few years, teachers will find that they're getting less year by year than if they received bigger raises, and there will come a point where their total pay over the years will be less than teachers who got a larger raise at the beginning but no bonus. So it's a toss-up which is better for teachers, to get more money in the short run with the bonuses or more in the long run with the larger salary raise.

I'm pretty sure you're correct about other large districts paying higher salaries than TUSD. I believe the Tucson area districts in general pay less than districts in most other areas of Arizona. But that wasn't the subject of my post. I was writing to refute the Star articles which left the impression that TUSD raises were lower than what other Tucson area districts gave their teachers. That assertion is incorrect.

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Posted by David Safier on 07/19/2016 at 11:42 AM

Re: “Why Go to the GOP Convention?

Stop with the sexist put downs Bob. You diminish your thoughts. They can ill afford more diminishment.

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Posted by Julie Heston on 07/19/2016 at 10:26 AM

Re: “Another Look at TUSD Salary Hikes and Prop 123

He's no Reagan. Thanks for facts Lillian. Audit TUSD.

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Posted by Julie Heston on 07/19/2016 at 10:22 AM

Re: “Obama Administration Asks Supreme Court to Rehear Lawsuit On Immigration Relief Programs for Undocumented Parents, Youth

The President continues to act like a dictator. Constitutional scholar? Maybe in Kenya.

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Posted by Julie Heston on 07/19/2016 at 10:19 AM

Re: “The Verdict is in and the Show Will Go On

the play is called King Charles III not Kind Charles III
don't you people read your own posts ???

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Posted by Rob McConeghy III on 07/19/2016 at 10:07 AM

Re: “Another Look at TUSD Salary Hikes and Prop 123

You'll have to understand Bob. Last week he got a flat tire and spent 2 hours blaming it on Bush. He's not overly bright.

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Posted by CW13 on 07/19/2016 at 9:41 AM

Re: “Obama Administration Asks Supreme Court to Rehear Lawsuit On Immigration Relief Programs for Undocumented Parents, Youth

Because we feel that people should come here legally makes us racists. I have a question for you, Bob. What's it like to be an ignorant stooge?

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Posted by CW13 on 07/19/2016 at 8:57 AM

Re: “Another Look at TUSD Salary Hikes and Prop 123

Sorry, Bob Regan, but there are other problems in Arizona education besides the Republicans. They are most certainly a problem, but, as "Supporting Public Ed Means Supporting LOCAL Reform" wrote above, within the larger dysfunctional context created by AZ legislative decisions, TUSD is failing utterly in its ability to manage its operations and maintain public confidence. When the top administrator in a district engages in a systematic program of attempting to manage a troubled institution by concealing the truth of what is actually going on -- lying about whether bonuses have been granted to the cabinet, lying about whether he has been introduced to the President of the Board's mother-in-law, lying about whether Strategic Plan goals have been 100% fulfilled, lying about what he is going to do with 123 money, etc. (the list is very long and many more items could be added) -- the Board needs to put a stop to that instead of excusing it. They are there to hold top administration accountable, and they are NOT doing it -- none of them, neither the majority nor the minority.

Safier, in defending these people, seems to have been led so far astray that he has lost track of the very concept of what "THE TRUTH" means. It means the right kind of correspondence between what is said and what the reality is. When you get people to vote for 123 by saying you will apply the money, if you receive it, to teacher salaries, you need to do that or you will be failing to fulfill a promise, failing to honor your word. When people see you TIME AFTER TIME AFTER TIME making promises that you do not keep, you lose the ability to build healthy relationship and to LEAD, which is what someone in a Superintendent's position MUST be able to do.

For government institutions to be functional and healthy, we need to get governing board members in office who will not excuse malfeasance or look the other way and fail to bring lies to the public's attention. All of us who live in Southern Arizona need to care about this school district, which serves almost 50,000 students. If these students do not get sound educations in well managed educational institutions, this breeds problems that undermine the health and stability of our entire community. It is vitally important that effective reform take place.

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Posted by Both the AZ Leg & TUSD are problematic. on 07/19/2016 at 8:37 AM

Re: “Why Go to the GOP Convention?

Trump's rise is directly related to the elite's complete disdain for the American working class. Between globalization and bringing in 1.5 million immigrants per year ( 6 times the historic average ) to ensure wages stay low and also keeping the working class electorate fractured. It's been a good ride for the 1% but people are catching on.

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Posted by bslap on 07/19/2016 at 8:26 AM

Re: “Obama Administration Asks Supreme Court to Rehear Lawsuit On Immigration Relief Programs for Undocumented Parents, Youth

It's really amazing that the president thinks he can unilaterally set immigration policy in direct opposition to Congress. Whatever your views of what immigration law should be, that law is set by Congress, not the President.
I hope the court gives this the swift rejection it deserves.

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Posted by bslap on 07/19/2016 at 8:22 AM

Re: “Obama Administration Asks Supreme Court to Rehear Lawsuit On Immigration Relief Programs for Undocumented Parents, Youth

What's it like to be an Arizona conservative? What's it like to live a life controlled by fear and hate. What's it like to have to be armed in order to come out from hiding under your bed? What's it like to be a racist and be proud of it?
What's it like to try to mask these qualities behind phony religion anal phony patriotism?

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Posted by Bob Regan on 07/19/2016 at 7:37 AM

Re: “Why Go to the GOP Convention?

Trump appeals to the fear and hate that Conservatives use to make their voting decisions. Since Arizona is a state controlled by these scared little girls, Trump will win in Arizona.

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Posted by Bob Regan on 07/19/2016 at 7:33 AM

Re: “Another Look at TUSD Salary Hikes and Prop 123

Here's the problem folks.

Want a decent education system..............stop giving control of it to stupid conservatives. If they knew how to design an effective education system, DON'T YOU THINK THEY WOULD HAVE DONE IT BY NOW????


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Posted by Bob Regan on 07/19/2016 at 7:26 AM

Re: “Why Go to the GOP Convention?

You bringing your KKK buddy again? I think that BLM will do more than punch you for that move, so watch out which other agitators you pal around with. Have fun disrupting. I'm glad you've found your purpose in life. Must be fulfilling...

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Posted by FU on 07/19/2016 at 7:17 AM

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