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Re: “For More About Betsy DeVos' Priorities, Follow the Money

We know you "don't get" many of the comments in these streams, Michael S. Ellegood, because your own commentary has repeatedly made that clear.

If you are referring to the first comment, it is not "snarky." It is honest, factually based (if you know recent TUSD history and the history of the political networks that feed on the district) and justifiably angry. Not "snarky," a term of disparagement that that comment, and others like it, does not deserve.

Some of us who are well acquainted with healthy, high functioning pubic district school systems in other states know how to recognize a diseased system when we see one. TUSD is that in spades, and Safier, while running down the people who are involved with promoting access to alternative school systems, feeds TUSD's disease and the need for alternatives locally. The two irresponsible sides of this misleading and heavily propagandized debate are intrinsically related, as the yin-yang comment above tried to point out: when people like Safier excuse malfeasant governance and administration in public school districts and lie about what is going on in them, this gives people like DeVos portfolios of dysfunction to justify their misguided ideological programs.

I support public school systems, but unlike you and other apologists for David Safier, unlike various local PCDP politicos who backed egregiously under-performing TUSD school Board members 100% in their sad bids for re-election, I recognize that part of supporting public district school systems is telling the TRUTH about them. Part of supporting them is doing what's necessary to increase transparency and to recruit QUALIFIED administrators -- not sadly underqualified, dishonest, self-serving hacks like HT Sanchez.

I hope to God January 2017 will bring about a move in the right direction in TUSD, but based on what I've seen to date it will probably not happen. This being the case, much of the commentary which you term "snarky" will probably continue. No one will be able to silence those who are speaking honestly about the problems tens of thousands of families utilizing these schools are experiencing and those who are speaking honestly (and angrily) about what needs to happen with governance and administration (and media commentary on education) for the problems to be solved.

Until this district is reformed, the FACT of the matter will be that its students do need alternatives, and public dollars applied in some of our alternative institutions will probably be better spent: they will better meet student needs and produce better educational outcomes. I've seen the insides of many schools in Tucson both as a teacher and as a parent -- public, private, and charter. There is no question that every single one of the schools with which I have direct experience was serving its students better than TUSD is at this point. That is a FACT that no amount of misleading propaganda can get around: when we talk about education policy, local and national, FACTS like this have to be recognized, acknowledged, and dealt with. Successful policy cannot be formulated by sweeping them under the rug and pretending they do not exist.

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Posted by Supporting Public Ed Means Supporting Local Reform on 12/06/2016 at 11:00 AM

Re: “Betsy DeVos Set To Join the Trump Cabinet's Billionaire Boys [and Girls] Club

Your posts had nothing to do with saving lives. It had to do with politics.

You're the one who brought this off topic subject into this thread just to feel big and slander liberals.

Once again, your lack of class is exposed.

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Posted by Susan Hirsh puts the ass in class on 12/06/2016 at 10:23 AM

Re: “Betsy DeVos Set To Join the Trump Cabinet's Billionaire Boys [and Girls] Club

So saving lives to you is nothing more than politics? I don't think you are comprehending what I am saying.

Have a good day.

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Posted by Susan Hirsh on 12/06/2016 at 10:16 AM

Re: “Betsy DeVos Set To Join the Trump Cabinet's Billionaire Boys [and Girls] Club

Wake up! You're being the bully.

Throwing politics into an arena where it doesn't belong is also EXTREMELY disrespectful.

Are you out of venom yet?

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Posted by Susan Hirsh, 5 posts weak, is still putting the ASS in low class on 12/06/2016 at 10:13 AM

Re: “For More About Betsy DeVos' Priorities, Follow the Money

I don't get all of the snarky comments on David's well researched report. He is not talking about TUSD, HT Sanchez, he is simply sharing data on the educational philosophy of our soon to be U.S. Secretary of Education. Betsey DeVos is not an educator, nor has she nor any of her family attended public schools. She is a wealthy heiress who married into wealth. So she has little first hand knowledge either of public schools or the struggles of people not born into wealth. Consequently she eschews our publicly run community schools in favor of for profit corporate run private schools. She has contributed a great deal of money towards supporting legislators in these United State, including here in Arizona, who will continue to dismantle our public schools. Vouchers for all!! Sadly this is a cruel joke particularly in the inner cities and in rural areas.
Our public schools have made our country great, turning education over to corporate interests will simply deny a thorough and efficient education to a large portion of our population.
David Safier: Please keep shining a light on this.

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Posted by Michael S. Ellegood on 12/06/2016 at 10:03 AM

Re: “Betsy DeVos Set To Join the Trump Cabinet's Billionaire Boys [and Girls] Club

Please stop using my name to bully posters on this thread.

For any others that had interest in the process, this is the point:

8.2.A. Absolute Immunity

By its terms, Section 1983 imposes liability without defense on state and local officials who, acting under color of law in their individual capacity, deprive plaintiffs of rights created by the Constitution and federal law. Nevertheless, the Supreme Court, drawing on common law, created absolute immunity from liability for some government officials and qualified immunity for others. Absolute and qualified immunity were developed to protect officials from lawsuits for actions relating to their official duties. The Court explained the underlying rationale for immunity:

[T]he public interest requires decisions and actions to enforce laws for the protection of the public . . . . Public officials, whether governors, mayors or police, legislators or judges, who fail to make decisions when they are needed or who do not act to implement decisions when they are made do not fully and faithfully perform the duties of their offices. Implicit in the idea that officials have some immunity absolute or qualified for their acts, is a recognition that they may err. The concept of immunity assumes this and goes on to assume that it is better to risk some error and possible injury from such error than not to decide or act at all.

This who they are left to go after.

Lessons, hard as they seem, must be learned from this tragedy. Or it will happen again.

Tucson City Council, are you listening?

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Posted by Susan Hirsh on 12/06/2016 at 9:59 AM

Re: “For More About Betsy DeVos' Priorities, Follow the Money

Wrong, Again:

Calm down cupcake.

You are not taking the friendly advice I gave you. If you remember correctly, which I understand is a challenge for you, I gave you some great pointers on how to actually get the attention of those who utilize more of their brain than you do. It starts with being CORDIAL. I get that this would be the toughest thing you've ever done in your life, but if anyone needs to step outside of their comfort's you.

Someone who is obviously as uneducated as you are should never comment on an article that focuses on education. Hell, as uneducated and ignorant as your dumb ass is, you should never comment on anything.

It's better to burn out than fade away. So please, just burn out already.

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Posted by AZ/DC! on 12/06/2016 at 8:57 AM

Re: “Betsy DeVos Set To Join the Trump Cabinet's Billionaire Boys [and Girls] Club

Oops! I forgot the important part.

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Posted by puts the ASS in low class on 12/06/2016 at 8:32 AM

Re: “Betsy DeVos Set To Join the Trump Cabinet's Billionaire Boys [and Girls] Club

Yeah, who knows?

Who knows why you're being such a disrespectful troll?

Why don't you approach everyone who is involved in this, from the victim's families all the way through to the firefighters that responded to this tragedy. Stand your ready to collapse sinkhole ground and inform them that this was all caused by the Libtards.

Susan Hirsh, putting the ASS in class for 4 posts in a row.

Hopefully she has released all that ignorant venom and the disrespect will cease.

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Posted by Susan Hirsh on 12/06/2016 at 8:29 AM

Re: “For More About Betsy DeVos' Priorities, Follow the Money

That she has supported Christian schools is not a strike against her as a person or as a philanthropist, but that she has no professional expertise in education or in the management of public school districts is a serious strike against her as a nominee for Secretary of Education.

Yes, some of our public districts in this country are troubled. From a real-world analysis point of view, it is important to remember that the public district system still educates 80-something percent of the population and no degree of investment in an under-regulated alternative sector where the existing institutions need greater oversight and transparency infrastructure than they currently have can throw up a system of high functioning schools quickly enough to provide reliable alternatives to everyone currently enrolled in public districts. If the head of the American Department of Education has a distaste for the public district school system and no expertise in how to work with existing districts to help them improve services to students, that is a serious problem. We don't need more test-and-punish style federal interaction with our schools, which benefits testing companies and the hedge fund managers backing charter chains, not the majority of the kids we are trying to educate in this country, who desperately need the services delivered in their neighborhood schools improved.

Where are the heroes in this sad drama? When you look at a district like TUSD, there are none. On one side of the fence you have people like Sanchez and his backers running a public district serving tens of thousands of students into the ground while their enablers in the media lie about or ignore or excuse their malfeasance, on the other side you have people like De Vos bringing ideological commitments that cannot possibly heal the wounds in our public district school system to the job of head of the federal department of education. De Vos's nomination does not bode well for TUSD or other districts that need HONEST analysis, reform and the right kind of support, not more malfeasant administrators and politicos benefiting from awarding their multi-million dollar contracts and not more top-down, federal scorched earth campaigns of test-and-punish.

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Posted by De Vos cannot fix our education system's problems. on 12/06/2016 at 6:59 AM

Re: “For More About Betsy DeVos' Priorities, Follow the Money

That she has long supported organizations which share her vision is a strong plus for her nomination. This stands in testament that she truly cares about education issues and sees a path forward to help. I wish we had more like her.

Her contributions to Christian organizations is another very positive factor in her character and character is sadly lacking in the whole of the current administration; indeed totally lacking. When we, as Tucson locals, give to our church on a regular basis, we too support similar intuitions, albeit in a small way. This is a very good thing.

A great choice by Donnie!

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Posted by Bisbee boy on 12/06/2016 at 5:52 AM

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