Ok. So, is that a "No!" to having a much better show and a chance to change your minds about Tucson and a yes to the duel? Also, reading all your reactions and watching your skill set on YouTube kindly allows me to Fuck On!.
Here is the dealiddy-do; are you not aware that the DIY scene/modern-punk you have an affinity for is run on the lifeblood of 20-somethings, most in skinny jeans? Also, did you not have a good reaction from the crowd AND get a place to crash? I may be wrong on the last two points (hearsay), but, after seeing you and Rican's reaction to anything, I really wouldn't be surprised if no one ever peed on you if you were on fire, let alone let you sleep on their floor.
Any who, your collective replies are as sloppy as the playing on your vids and your reaction to this whole thing is just so what I rally against in my life an in my pursuit of music. Bottom line, as bad a musicians you are, you are better than being cocks to a dude that is just doing his job by reviewing you. Take care and I am easy to find if you wanna next level this convo.
Hey playing to a bunch of pretentious 20 something's in skinny pants with their arms crossed was a lot of fun for us too guys!
Glad everyone had fun, thanks for giving us a chance! Josh thanks for coming and listening, and writing! Cory you did not come so kindly fuck off.
Josh I hope you see us again some day, maybe in a more welcoming environment, and we have the chance to change your mind. If your band ever makes it to Denver I look forward to hearing it.
I'm just glad Mario is distracted by playing fiddle in Blind Man Deaf Boy and not trying to mess up my life anymore.
for kid in west virginia in the mid -80"s toxic shock was the shit!!!!!!! i wouldn't have heard of raw power and the hickoids and countless other bands.... it's too easy today to be cool
thanks to everyone at the ranch and your mail orders..... i may be listening to katy perry today if it werent for you!!!!!!!
Josh tends to be kinder in his reviews than I would be (for local and touring bands alike). Furthermore, he is a walking encyclopedia of music. I was not at this show, but... if he gives your band a bad review - you suck period
PS: just to be clear, I saw your YouTube videos of your "band" and wasn't at your show and kinda ran in to this comment thread by chance.
Well, Rican James, if you weren't, clearly, a self-righteous, smug little drunk, you may have actually learned something from what I said (had you even taken the time to read it at all?). So, you of distastefully untuned and poorly played violin, you of band with such terrible craft and attitude that you posted a "This is what we think of Tucson!" middle-finger on your own bands-page HOURS after your show and long before this review came out, you my friend can smoke a pole. A big, fat pooooooole and should you have the nerve to come back to Tucson, I will personally book a rad show, give you a tour of exactly how fun, accepting and awesome our scene is to the EXACT type of people you think we shun and after, should you still think I or we are still so bad and judgmental, we can go and play knifesies or a have duel (or whatever your crew would deem acceptible) to the soundtrack of whatever Colorado Kool-Aid has warped your mind so, that you smell and judge your farts as flowers. Bottle-rocket, cat-crashing through garbage cans, end scene.
Rican, if all of this means so "very little" to you, why have you posted on here twice and uploaded that fuckin' profile photo? You are doing yourself (which is one word) no favors by commenting here.
People like you give modest and decent people bad names. Your unwarranted perceived importance of your selves and your opinions not only mean very little to those you "criticize", but also exemplify the exact reason why you all will never make impressions other than being shitty human beings on others. I would take the time to understand your opinions (Lionel, Corey, and Josh) if judgement had not been passed by all of you. But given that you have, I will only treat you as you have treated us. You deserve as much respect as you give others.
Rockpile ! Thought I was the only one who appreciated their excellent pop music and excellent song writing. Lowe and Edmunds for sure.
For the funeral stick with Steely Dan
I shudder to think what a punk revival from the "Everyone Wins" generation will be. If this is any indication, maybe these kids would be better served trading their instruments for an XBox One. "Folk Violence From Denver" Rage Against The Starbucks? Fury Against the Hybrid? Criticism comes with the territory... Especially in music...if you want a trophy after the event, why not take up swimming or karate?
Right or wrong, criticism should be taken as a tool to improve yourself. I wasn't at the show, but I have been in this game for long enough to know that if you are putting in the time, if you truly care for your craft and gravitate towards the DIY scene, something like this should galvanize you. It should be like carbon as you temper and fold your blade in the fire. The idea that a positive review is in some way owed because you showed up is absurd. Not everyone gets to win. Not everyone is equal, especially in music. This goes with the territory and saying you would avoid Tucson because of ONE bad review would cause me to question the motive for doing music in the first place.
Mr. Butler and Mr. Nicholls, had I known that being "dedicated," "kind," "doing the things they love," and driving for hours are attributes that entitle an artist to a positive review, I wouldn't have come to see the show and critique the actual music. But if that's the case, then every band is incredible and above criticism. And if everything is amazing, then everyone is lying: Is this what you would have preferred?
Mr. James, while you are understandably unfamiliar with my live reviews in this newspaper in regards to my "favoring" local bands (which is false), I admire and agree with your decision to not let this review affect you and your music; your dedication to your music would be questionable if you did.
I don't see anyone from Tucson commenting on this thread so apparently not many even read this trash.
It's okay, Micah. People aren't always on the same wavelength, and it's clear to me that the perceived notion of being above others who aren't locals is very prevalent in this article. We appreciate the chance to play anywhere; it's fun, it's slightly nerve-fraying, and it's experience! But it's people's choices to like us or to not. I'm not going to get upset about this review, it felt like it came from a pretty close minded place that clearly catered to the local acts. All I can say is from our experience with the friendly folks out in Tucson, I'm sure we can opt out of damning their pretentious and close-knit community with our presence. And besides, the venue was closing anyways, if the DIY scene remains this uppity and unfriendly to touring acts, they can keep all their local bands so they don't have to support musicians from all walks of life.
this is really disheartening. I really loved Tucson and have had some really awesome times there. But talking shit on a touring band (a great one nonetheless) is pretty low. I appreciate the kind words said about me, but I admire these guys, and I assure you if I had written this review there would have been some big differences. It just make me sad to see an extremely talented, kind, and dedicated band drive for hours to play a show just to get bashed in the local newspaper.
I bought my first punk record at Toxic Shock in Pomona in 1984. The album was the day the country died. Bill was always super cool about turning us newbies on to awesome music. Thanks for carrying the torch for so long Bill.
Before the internet and before I had my license and could drive to and record stores that had decent punk. I mail ordered everything from Toxic. In a lot of ways they shaped my taste in music and introduced me to bands I still listen too 25 years later. Thanks for everything. Ryan from Illinois.
before the internet, booking agents would call me up and ask me if I ever heard of such and such a band, and I would immediately call Bill at Toxic and go Bill do you know this band, and he would tell me all about them.... even without a physical building, Bill & Julianna's devotion and love for DIY culture will always have a permanent place in the history of Tucson, all of us in Tucson thank you for all you have given to this town we couldn't have done it without you
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