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Cool, there are people that seem to know the future. They must be very smart. Stupid me, I just go along expecting the earth to be more or less the same every time I get out of bed in the morning. I guess I need a "futurist" to tell me what to expect. I am sure they know just as much as the average religious leader. Maybe I could ask the Pope.....
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I love this article and the helpful and much more realistic view of the future events. You can also check out the work of Gordon Michael Scallion, a futurist of Earth Changes and find a similar viewpoint.
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My then-19 year old son committed suicide 11/05/05....Since that date, I have learned more about suicide than I ever knew. And thanks to Tyler with SOS of Tucson, and also thanks to articles like this, I have been able to talk without feeling ostracized about suicide. The comments before mine touch in part what we as survivors of those who have committed suicide go through every single day...and probably will until we die...but I'm grateful for all of you...and for any and all help...to get through the pain.
robin
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As a hairstylist, I once followed the lives of 2 women clients whose sons had taken their own lives. Month after month I heard their stories of emotional pain. They talked to me because I would listen with compassion and this continued for over 2 years, long after their friends had stopped listening, believing these women should be getting on with their lives. Just hearing the stories left a mark on my own life. I learned something about death from them that changed me. Mostly more compassion for those who are left behind. This article deserves to be shared with as many people as possible. I was like a bystander at a train wreck. I'm a listener and I believe that is all I can do, so I listen when a friend tells me his girlfriend committed suicide and I continue to listen as long as these survivors need me to listen. Thank you Irene for this article, it has great value.
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Thank you Irene Messina and all the other great weekly staff who are finally putting suicide in the papers. Thank you for not being afraid to publish these stories. Because of you, and the others at the Weekly, you have saved lives because reading and educating ourselves is prevention.
When someone takes their own life, we have no idea what goes through their head. Once a woman attempted suicide and was almost successful. I was asked to visit her at the hospital. I did so. She had tried to take her own life in front of her two small children. When I asked her what she was trying to do, she said her pain was so great, she did not even see her children. She could only see the pain that was right in front of her.
Her story took my breath away and more and more people who have attempted suicide have shared similar stories. It is so hard to suffer from a pain that literally blinds you. We must have compassion for these people, and we must give everything we can to those who have lost their loved one to suicide. They are left with a legacy of pain and suffering and questions that can never be answered.
No, the woman had no idea her children were in that room and her pain and suffering blinded her. By the way, she lost her mother to suicide and could not cope with it. That is the legacy that it leaves behind. So what we are left with is how to do comfort and help give those who survived an opportunity to live again? By doing what Josh is doing, or doing what Dawn is doing, or doing what I am doing. Reaching out to the community and providing opportunity through awareness.
Thank you Weekly for doing that and thank you Irene.
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The Right to Die
I am a survivor of suicide and I CARE! My husband of 30 years opted out of life in an effort to take control over the one thing he believe he had the ulitimate and final say over. I am here to tell you that his suffering and unhappiness did not end with his passing, but rather, it lives on in those of us he left behind. My youngest daughter said it was as if dad passed his pain onto us and it is true. Here we are 4 years later still suffering the fallout of this un natural disaster. I say un natural in the sense that it goes against what a normal reasoning and healthy brain would decide upon, unless you are a completely and truthfully self centered person who cares nothing for those they leave behind, which in most cases simply is not true.
In defense of the right to die; I believe that a person whose quality of life has been so severely compromised may very well have the right to die. What I do suggest is that those of us who have been left to grapple with their decision and live with their unmanaged pain is not a decision we made. So how does that work. Yes you have ultimate control over ending your life, but what about the lives of those you leave behind? Yeah, I know, you don't care, but do you have the right to take theirs too? Because this is exactly what happens. I don't suppose you consider yourself a murderer, but taking someone else's life is a crime rather or not you actually kill them. Most folks never fully recover and they live with the suicider's pain and frustration for the rest of their lives. Unfortunately survivors are punished for your crime against yourself by the stigma associated with suicide followed by being socially ostracized. Do you have that right?
Generally speaking I have compassion for those who struggle every day with suicidal ideation. I had the misfortune of living my husbands's dying. He wanted to live and he actually did consider the impact on those he left behind. He was not a selfish person but his need for relief from his suffering became the center of his life up until he completed. I also know that he had no idea in his twisted thinking just how much of his pain he would transfer onto those left behind. Suicide has a ripple effect and it leaves a wide swath of pain and un answered questions that torment the surviovor forever.
So, if you must end your life, then please be certain that those you leave behind understand that you are making a personal choice and that it is not about them. Be sure to let the police know that you did it to yourself so that your friends and family don't have to be under suspicion for murder and then don't leave your body for your friends wife or children to find.
Dawn Harward, CEO
SuicideSurvivors.info
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I can't in good conscience agree with guilting people to spend their money in a place that passes laws they disagree with. I'm sure you wouldn't like it if someone did that to you.
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I support the law regarding illegal immigrants coming to AZ. Since 1985 I've been visiting your beautiful state and spending loads of money. But I'm not going to spend any money in Tucson or Flagstaff because they are suing their own state over this law. I'll stay and eat outside their city limits. I don't see them doing so well financially, and I don't want to give them any of my money.
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Dear Mr. Small:
Since you are unwilling to be part of the solution you are part of the problem.
Boycotts, including yours, are harmful.
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Please Don't Come To Arizona
It took boycotts to get an MLK day because of the bigots in public office. Now we have another bigot, Russell Pearce, who hates brown skin because his kid was killed by an illegal & wants to paint all browns with the same brush. The only way to insure Mexican Americans are not racially profiled is to hit us where it hurts...in the pocketbook! If the cops asked EVERYONE for their "papers" regardless of color or accent, this wouldn't be a problem. In a perfect world this bill MIGHT work, but in an imperfect world with our hates and prejudices it isn't going to work.
People sometimes have to suffer to set a wrong to right. The business community courted and hired the illegals and now they cry? Sorry, suffer like the rest.
Besides if people come to Arizona before SB1070 is fixed, who is going to wash the dishes and cook the food and make the beds? Not some of the lazy Americans who would rather stay home and collect unemployment than work for less than they think they are worth! PLEASE BOYCOTT ARIZONA
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Good for you Mr Small! I wish I could move to Oregon but the wages here are so low and the taxes so high, I cannot afford the move. I will have to suffer Anglozona until hell freezes over.
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I moved away and will not return to Anglozona until voters remove the cretins in the state legislature, who passed SB1070 and SB2281, and the governor from office.
Patronizing anything to do with Anglozona, while white supremacists are running the show there, helps support the status quo. Change is painful, and I wish the millions in lost gross receipts would not impact people living in Anglozona who oppose the new laws.
Move to Oregon, like I did. No sales tax here. What's Tucson's sales tax rate now? 9.1%? Isn't the City planning to increase that, too?
Boycott Anglozona!
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I dont think wingspan is aggressive enough when it comes to getting things up. We need something like ACT-UP like they have on the east coast.
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As usual, Wingspan's leadership is appreciated. Since an uncaring or antagonistic individual can thwart the President's efforts and regulations, demand to see a supervisor and remember to remind recalcitrant hospital personnel that their hospital can lose its access to Federal funds if it refuses access to a partner in time of distress.
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Matthew Bertrand responds to the comment from dg9:
We did overestimate the savings for that specific greywater project. The estimate was also in reference to the removal of a 15'x15' bermuda grass lawn. Because the city of Tucson prices water on a sliding scale, the commenter is correct that a low water user would save very little by conserving water through a greywater system. However, a higher water user has even greater potential to save.
Here is Tucson Water's pricing scale (accessible here: http://www.ci.tucson.az.us/water/rates.htm…
Single Family
1 – 15 Ccf $1.39
16 – 30 Ccf $5.13
31 – 45 Ccf $7.25
Over 45 Ccf $9.90
As a sample case, a household using a moderate-high amount of water, averaging 25CCF per month, would spend about $72 on water per month. If that homeowner hit our target 40% reduction in water use (the amount that the average homeowner uses on the landscape) down to 15 CCF/mo, the bill would reduce to $20/mo, for a $52/mo or $615/yr average cost savings. That 40% reduction is not hard to acheive, through recontouring the landscape to retain and infiltrate rainwater to support native plants which survive on rainfall, and. if necessary, watering higher water use plants such as fruit trees using greywater and rainwater stored in cisterns. New developments can achieve this target without significant (if any) added expense by incorporating this approach into the initial plans.
The State of Arizona also offers tax credits to anyone implementing rainwater harvesting or greywater systems, up to $1000 or 25% of the cost of the system. The State has only given out about half of these available funds over the last 3 years - most anyone who would apply would receive the credit.
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Please check the math. 8000 gallons of water = 10.7 ccf. If you are below 15ccf per month usage (remember to conserve), you are paying $1.39 per ccf for an annual savings of $14.87. This is far less than the assertion in the article.
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faitsjasmin uses an ad hominem attact to distract the public attention away form the real issue. Ann Marie Clock is a fraud and is unlawfully representing herself as someone knowledgeable in indigenous spiritual practices. A person of character would be concerned about that. An intelligent person would not construct ad hominem attacks to distract attention away from the issue at hand. The Tucson Weekly negligently promoted a fraud and a liar who swindles people out of their money by misrepresenting herself as a person entitled to conduct Native American sweat lodges. The public has been harmed by Irene Messina's ignorance and lack of journalistic integrity. Again, a retraction of the initial story and an apology to the LEGITIMATE Native American community is long overdue!
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Interestingly, the self-same astronomers that are covering up the approach of the nemesis planet are building telescopes and spacecraft that won't be finished for another ten years. But, if that doesn't convince you, please send all your money to ....