@Dirty, yeah, what you said, "I would just like to add that anyone who HAS smoked marijuana knows that it's level of motor function impairment is far closer to cigarettes than it is to alcohol. You don't see anyone calling for blood levels of nicotine to be measured and arrests made, though tobacco can certainly make a first-time user dizzy and even sick."
If you haven't used it, you have no idea what you're talking about when you compare it to alcohol. The false equivalence is shocking.
As a former senior policy analyst for the California Legislature (a real full-time, professional legislature, not a part-time Republican windup toy), I have to say that the legalization initiative is really well done. It's comprehensive, it responds to widely held public opinion, is sensible (in that it is laid out in a way that people can make sense of it), and it's ambitious.
Ambitious because it must be, in anticipation of legislative meddling that has so far screwed up everything from school funding to publicly funded elections -- and which will certainly be applied by legislative shills for the tobacco and liquor lobbies, and certain churchy sects, to subvert the public will if the initiative passes. (Such meddling should worry Tom more, but in this case, he's willing to bend his values. Sad.)
Danehy should spend some time in the legislative realm as an analyst, to get a feel for the job, although by the looks of his predisposition, I doubt he would be hireable: one thing you need in the legislative arena is being able to dispassionately assess the veracity of claims being made for this or that bill or initiative. Tom is so invested in prohibition as a moral duty, on this issue at least, he's disqualified himself.
I would just like to add that anyone who HAS smoked marijuana knows that it's level of motor function impairment is far closer to cigarettes than it is to alcohol. You don't see anyone calling for blood levels of nicotine to be measured and arrests made, though tobacco can certainly make a first-time user dizzy and even sick.
Also, it is my opinion that both recreational initiatives are red herrings, and all the rambling comments and personal attacks are from a hacktivist muddying the waters to prevent people from seeing the color of the fish.
"appears to have been written by a committee of stoners"... "written in such a ham-fisted manner"....... See that reddish hue?
"I will go my entire life without ever having tasted alcohol or using any drugs."
And if it wasn't for your wife (who set a shockingly low threshold for herself), you would have gone your entire life without getting laid ...
I really appreciate that guys. I was starting to think it was me.
Huh? My thoughts exactly.
Hey CW, "Huh?" was my comment too. Then I started hearing the theme from "The Twilight Zone"
As a matter of societal concern I would love to meet with the local advocates dispensary owners who ever in a Town Hall. To be done public one on one or with 3 advocates with time allowed. This will be non personal testimonies of anykind to start. It will be about what will happen if this proposal is passed. Why it might not and what needs to be done to get a comprehensive social and moral direction for Marijuana. Tell MPP to go BACK with Marion Berry they have more relevance there.
Think Nitzel will go for that?
Tom; I am an old guy, tradesman, business owner, parent, and grew up a mormon.
Basically I find your profiling of people akin to Archie Bunker and his profiling for his times. To me it is old altruistic to what the MMJ was about. I see the pandering of the media for advertising dollars. We see the media going to the Public relations/lobbyists outlets and getting spoon feed information going back to the media outlets thinking they are informed.
The hair farming tie died birkenstock body illustrated skin pierced Bob Marley group. Is not the Large part of Marijuana consumers or the advocates merely just the vocal advocates and consumers.
Personal testimonies are really not relevant are they ? I spent 6 months in a burn ward. I had 3 broken bones before I was 12 abusive parent. I still have chinese shrapnel in me. Arrested for vagrancy thrown on a Texas chain gang for 30 days, I was in a automobile accident that killed my mother drunk driver. In the trades I broke 3 fingers several cuts to many to count. Now I am old I want to grow pot in my yard away from kids not a party recreational enjoyment or social engagement. SO WHAT
Basically I dont ask myself if getting up today is worth it. If i kept up the regimented treatments of opiates stantons I was angry, nobody wanted be be around me and dont tell me how what the values in my life are I won't think of yours.
As far as workplace I was one of the guys that took dropouts taught them a trade how to work and how to relate. I can't tell you how many workplace accidents I have been involved in. For the last 20 years I was a superintendent for DOD contracts never under 90 million. On to of that I have spent 10 years doing USACE airports and transportation. I have seen how the workplace drug policies are implemented and enforced. With second third and fourth tiered vendors the policies are arbitrary and and enforced capricious at best. Most all are drive by the insurance industry and the legal feeders from that.
I dont have the slightest clue on your social fabric and dont care to really. I find most CPA's, media writers, lawyers, civil servants, are just kids that are hooked on doing homework the rest of their lives. they actually contribute little or nothing to society just a parasite. Those that take the compilation of their efforts and try to make policy find the study was not relevant or biased let's do it over. How's that for profiling thoughts from the field no wonder we have a world of well bean counters.
That is the sentiment that drives young to things like ISIS. I have had jobs with over 2 million man hours worked and only one recordable 3 stitches. I won several safety awards but found that most went to those that golfed and banquited the USACE. Even tho I have a remarkably better safety record. at any given time I knew there was Marijuana on a military base. I did not know who what or when by at time winds prevailed. I know I was not the only nose on site. I did not want to alienate the workforce I lost 60% of the workforce when ICE did gate checks at the constructions in EL PASO
Now let's get to this abortion of law, rights, civil concerns, called protection of children with prohibition . We see the biggest charlatans that have come out of the cesspool since snake oil and laudanum pushers were stopped by Harry Anslinger and the BNDD in 1936. And this ADA (arizona dispensary association) are using children to market their product. I find that to be worst kind of human being on the face of the earth. Since 1937 we have imprisoned killed stole lied every unscrupulous disgusting thing imaginable in the protection of children. Alas we still have a problem could the economic disparity be more relevant to children? So we tax and redistribute in the good of the children and then come in as a healer as they promote those that dont comply.
It is well known by now that Marijuana is the highway, the staple of the illegal drug world. To eliminate that would have economic upheaval all across the illicit drug world as well as the industry built to contain that. So really we need to not just slam the door what turmoil would that bring. Drug dealers now dealing in untaxed alcohol tobacco and powders?
I have raised 4 children here in Az in a blue collar atmosphere. Very limited on money and opportunity. I chose Flowing Wells as the best I could do for schooling. All of my children were subject to ridicule ostracization for one reason or another. One son arrested for shoplifting profiled inside the school district as a stoner ganger. This was the best education that I was ever able to give him. This was a platinum lined cloud. I was able to show him how to manipulate the system. Showed how the court system worked and how bogus it really was. I was able to save him as a juvenile before the social pundits got a bite. To sum this up he understood in his junior year graduated Magnum Cum Laude High school and had to fight for that It was me appealing to Peticone at the time and it was awarded. Now at the age of 35 he is Vice President of Multi National Corp with a book of business of 900 million annually. He can do this because he tears down the bullshit that most hide behind. Oh yes graduated UofA dean's list. all my kids did. Arbitrated this year with the NLRB and settled garbage haulers union deal from San Francisco to Seattle 2 weeks no legal firm. Because he knows the bean counting and media parasites that need to feed also. A little trimmer plate there
Bottom line this CRLMA is trying to build a department akin to that of Insurance. It is not drawn by some stoners it was drawn by prosecutors and industry insiders to promote marijuana and using children to do it. By gifts to school and supposed enforcement that has not worked since Jesus walked the face of the earth certainly not since 1937.
If we in Arizona are going to have multiple departments that license vice in one form or another gambling, alcohol, marijuana, tobacco, do we need a separate and different for that combine them all. and allow 12% to be given to a rotating account and let Members of the BAR go after nonconformists and attach for costs to enforce like the EPA. Any attorney can prosecute if licensed in federal court to represent the federal government for violation of environmental laws. Then can lein for the cost of prosecution for violation of dispensaries and growers and processors distributors smoke shops. And attorney can prosecute on their own under civil action but alas this CRLMA would stop that as they will be a regulatory agency immune do we really want that.
Yea the contentious media and industry parasites that propagate the profiling nonconformists as red neck conformists, Republicans remember it was Ben Stein who first smoked pot in Nixon's White House. Then went home played chess and Wrote some of his speeches. Marijuana has transcended all walks of society and has for the last. 30 years get a clue
Yea Danehy You're a profiling misunderstood loner thinking that you have a finger on the pulse. This is why it won't pass. We who have had a life and see how things work won't let this go we have more respect for children and society. With this story Archie Bunker lives
Tom, your article is an interesting take on the issue. I am thinking it might fail, because the "stoners" as you call them, will not vote for it for exactly the opposite reason. As you may be aware, there was another initiative being circulated, that was far less restrictive, but this one was funded very heavily by the medical marijuana clinics and growers, because it protects their investment by giving them a semi-monopoly on supply and distribution.
As for your demographic analysis, I am a CPA and was initially surprised at not only how many people asked if they could deduct their medical mj expenses, but who they were. Saddlebrook, Dove Mountain, Green Valley residents. And these people vote.
I would not put money on either side of this at this point.
Tom, your comments are slanted, but far less than usual. However, if you want a better example of digging in of heels and demonizing by both sides, take the abortion issue.
Both sides fear the camel's nose under the edge of the tent, so will not give an inch, when in reality, both sides want the same thing, and that is fewer unwanted children, and, despite what the right maintains, fewer abortions. However, no one from either side dares step forward, for fear of the purity police on both sides.
In other words, "Okay, it's impossible to find a positive comment from What, Again...even though he's my hubby!?"
Did I actually hit the nail right on the head?
AZ/DC! : 2
Most Ignorant Couple Ever : -2
Thanks for playing!
Some people just try to be impossible. My spouse would rather I not waste time here because of all the ignorance. That may be right.
Have a nice day.
Hey Mary T:
Are you What, Again's significant other? OR are you actually What, Again posing as a "caring" female.
Find a POSITIVE comment from Wrong, Again anywhere, post a link, prove me wrong and show me up. Good luck with that because he, such as yourself, has not even established an account on this site. Until then, quit typing and go away! As What, Again should have done long ago.
I choose not to approach What, Again as an adult because he has NEVER acted like one himself; I'm truly convinced that he is or he has the mentality of a lonely 14 year old.
Fight fire with fire is my motto. What's your motto? Fight logic with bullshit. It seems appropriate after reading your comment. You should know what you're up against before you start typing ignorant horseshit.
Sorry AZ/DC! But there are no enemies per your description. Your posts appear very negative and directed at people certain opinions you may oppose. Grownups call it a discussion. Debate if you will. But enemies, no. It would help a whole lot if we would try to understand each other rather than trashing them.
4 days ago Cat Woman posted one of her moronic comments about me. Once again I put him in his place. Instead of coming back at me, he vanishes. Too easy. Way too easy !!
People like you are the enemy, not the liberals you so unjustly despise.
Your misplaced negativity is so off the chart. I have NEVER seen you post anything positive. I can't explain why, but I actually kinda feel sorry for you. 😢
Liberals definition of 'compromise' is the wiilful and intentional erosion of the constitution and individual rights. That's not compromise, it's subversion of our country. And their ideas and actions should be treated for what they are, anti-american.
Will there ever be a day again when liberals stand up for our country instead of our enemies?
Cat Woman. I've been looking for you. On 5/19 you posted a last minute comment asking me " do you sill (sic) pimp for your old lady?" Sorry to say so, but yes I do. I had no choice. At least men will pay good money to be with her. When I provided the same service for yours I damn near starved.
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