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Re: “Zona Politics: Talking with Congressman Grijalva and PCC Chancellor Lee Lambert

So ONLY conservatives care about the super influx of illegal aliens taking our benefits?? My My Peabo - jump to conclusions much? I seriously dislike Mr. Grijalva - he isnt FOR US.. hes' FOR THEM. And that aint right.

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Posted by GuiseppeKnows on 03/22/2015 at 8:25 AM

Re: “Thar's Gold in Them Thar Charter Schools: Walton and Gates Foundations Edition

Thanks for the link to the program for the Gates / Walton forum. It made for interesting reading.

"Although charter schools have been around since the early 1990s, the sector is still considered a relatively new market from an investment standpoint. Different market participants have different factors they believe to be most important when assessing the credit quality of a charter school (e.g. enrollment, financials, relationship with the authorizer, academic quality.) The next two sessions will explore these factors from different perspectives."

Nice to know that what they call "academic quality" gets some consideration, but what do they think "academic quality" is, and are hedge fund managers (or charter operators for that matter) qualified to assess it or to understand the validity of the "assessments" others pitch at them ?

In another one of this organization's documents I read "the names of one million students remain on charter school waiting lists." No doubt potential "investors" salivate at the prospect of exploiting this "untapped market."

Guess we're going to have to learn the hard way that unleashing "capital in search of surplus value," -- i.e. a sector whose bottom line is profit rather than human development -- in our schools will not have good results for many of our children.

And as for Ducey's "Arizona Public School Achievement District plan," it is beyond offensive that he proposes to use our tax dollars to secure loans for these people. Guess they like "free markets" in some respects, but when it comes right down to it they prefer government subsidized investment opportunities where taxpayers foot the bill to eliminate all risk for them.

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Posted by ERW on 03/22/2015 at 7:16 AM

Re: “What Will We Tell the Children? Nogales Unified School District Edition

Robin just got home from a Kool-Aid cocktail party. Yes, you can change the system. Someone changed it INTO a high-stakes test driven education-industrial complex and you can bet those people didn't wring their hands and accept the status quo. As for core beliefs, an effective education system is collaborative. It doesn't create winners and losers. The US once embraced this, so I have no idea why someone would believe that because we embrace competition in the economy, there is no other choice but to embrace the corporate reform movement as a done deal.

Remember the "vision thing"?

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Posted by Jana Happel on 03/22/2015 at 7:11 AM

Re: “Broadway Widening Opponents Dig in for the Final Stretch

So, in addition to being "extremists", people who disagree with you are"ideologues." I can take a pretty good guess as to where you get your "discussion" style, but I won't go there. Have you ever considered that these comment sections can be an opportunity for people to actually discuss topics of importance and perhaps listen to each other and name calling does not facilitate that?

Anyway, the 8 lane option is already off the table. What is being discussed is how to do the 6 lane alignment. The important thing to remember is that traffic counts are down to 1984 levels. Original projections have not materialized. One of the reasons for this is that other roadwork has been done that has taken pressure off this particular corridor ( a win for the transportation planners). Traffic is never backed up on this section of Broadway. Sure, things slow down from further east, but it is not due to traffic volume. It has to do with the number of lights. This is inevitable when one is driving through a more densely populated urban area. In widening a road going through this area, we would probably slow down traffic. This is because a wider roadbed would require longer lights. I hope no reader would suggest that we go forward with a plan that wastes taxpayer money.

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Posted by Robin Steinberg on 03/22/2015 at 6:40 AM

Re: “The HUB to Open Ice Creamery Across from Current Location

That cup of ice cream looks damn near perfect, mmm mmm mmm!

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Posted by mrbigshotno1 on 03/22/2015 at 6:17 AM

Re: “Five Flowing Wells Students Arrested for Plotting to Kill Classmate

Which one is the first one?

Posted by Wondering on 03/21/2015 at 10:44 PM

Re: “The HUB to Open Ice Creamery Across from Current Location

Ummm, Ryan Jarrell… what is your issue? Why so many weird comments about Heather's Ice Cream review? Did you even have a taste of the ice cream?

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Posted by Mo Visits Tucson on 03/21/2015 at 9:21 PM

Re: “Zona Politics: Talking with Congressman Grijalva and PCC Chancellor Lee Lambert

it already isn't you twit!

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Posted by Joe Bloom on 03/21/2015 at 7:27 PM

Re: “So I Elected an Ax Murderer

Why the surprise? I've lived here for 13 months now, and clearly Doucey's doing exatly as expected. Did all the people reading this article vote? Wasn't the turnout really low, and why did so many people vote against their interests? Name-calling & whining is NOT a solution; let's spend time getting out the vote before elections. Yes, we're just like KS, OK AR and other southern states - griping at the status quo and waiting for someone else to solve our problems.

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Posted by ksl on 03/21/2015 at 6:18 PM

Re: “Zona Politics: Talking with Congressman Grijalva and PCC Chancellor Lee Lambert

There, there. It's going to be okay, poor little conservative.

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Posted by Peabo on 03/21/2015 at 6:00 PM

Re: “What Will We Tell the Children? Nogales Unified School District Edition

I understand what you are saying David S. The fact remains we are a tremendously competitive country... that's capitalism. Our whole system is set up for standardized tests from the objectives to teacher evaluation and even our president's race to the top. Rewards are there for being the best. I am not excusing cheating. I just don't know anybody that has done this on purpose nor has anyone ever approached me about getting together to do it or anything else regarding creating a desired outcome. So it may be widespread, but I haven't seen it. Yes we are given a curriculum and objectives for grade levels. We must take down all posters related to the subject we are testing... math charts, etc.

So teaching objectives that are clearly defined for let's say math 4th grade may be considered teaching to the test? If a student understands a concept that he or she is taught and transfers it to a probable different context in the test, he or she knows it. That's good. I think having a curriculum with defined objectives and students tested on those objectives is the way our whole education system is set up. I do not think guessing which objectives are being tested is a good idea.

I do not believe we have the best system by any means. There is competition for the money to run schools which is ridiculous. I have read about Finland's system and it sounds wonderful. But we have a hard time accepting children are unique .They process differently . They are different colors and speak differently.

So I accept the system because I can't change it. Nor can I change the core beliefs in our country, state, school systems around competitiveness. Accepting all that, I think teaching objectives that will be tested is humane and the best way for children to be successful in our culture. There is a lot of information in the world. So our country has decided to pick certain goals as being educated. A good teacher does much more than that but that is something else. Also 1 test a year would take pressure off IMHO... if we continue to have this culture of the best one wins in scores. The stakes are high here. I also think we need to be much kinder to each other. It goes a long way.

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Posted by Robin B. on 03/21/2015 at 3:57 PM

Re: “So I Elected an Ax Murderer

....and still our legislators and their staff have had no cuts to their salaries, no furlough days, no reductions in workforce, and little or no restrictions on expense accounts.

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Posted by Shawnalea Shelly on 03/21/2015 at 3:54 PM

Re: “Zona Politics: Talking with Congressman Grijalva and PCC Chancellor Lee Lambert

Grijalva is a socialist, no-sovereignty, income confiscation, open border tool! The bankruptcy of the County and the USA is assured with politicians like this fool. Sunshine, TUSD are great examples of the failure of these policies, no matter how many resources thrown their way, they will misuse, corrupt them and ask for more. If the electorate in his district weren't such give me for free junkies, he wouldn't ever be re-elected, but this is the direction that the Dems are taking the USA, failure, and emptiness...

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Posted by Joe Bloom on 03/21/2015 at 2:41 PM

Re: “What Will We Tell the Children? Nogales Unified School District Edition

David Berliner's books should be required reading for all legislators and the State Dept. of Education.

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Posted by gcb1 on 03/21/2015 at 1:29 PM

Re: “What Will We Tell the Children? Nogales Unified School District Edition

The high-stakes nature of the test drives this behavior. It doesn't excuse it, but it is a direct cause. All one needs to do to understand what drives this phenomenon is to read Dr David Berliner's The Inevitable Corruption of Indicators and Educators Through High-Stakes Testing. He wrote it back in 2005.

http://greatlakescenter.org/docs/early_res…

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Posted by Joe Thomas on 03/21/2015 at 12:42 PM

Re: “TW Goes SXSW: Day 3 or An Exercise in Expectations

Um.

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Posted by Peabo on 03/21/2015 at 12:06 PM

Re: “What Will We Tell the Children? Nogales Unified School District Edition

Robin, the Atlanta cheating scandal is by far the most highly studied. It wasn't individual teachers erasing wrong answers and putting in right ones. It was a group of teachers and sometimes administrators who would get together and do it after the tests were collected and supposedly in a safe place.

Also, when it comes to teaching to the test, it's not necessary to know the specific test questions. Pretests and drills on how to analyze short reading passages, then answer multiple choice questions, are teaching to the test. It's like SAT prep classes, where no one knows for sure what will be on the test but scores can increase by 50 to 100 points. The better a teacher is at readying the students, the higher their scores will be relative to students at similar levels who aren't as well prepped.

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Posted by David Safier on 03/21/2015 at 9:35 AM

Re: “What Will We Tell the Children? Nogales Unified School District Edition

Nogales USD has some great teachers, wonderful kids and supportive parents. It also has a powerful old boy network that continues to pull strings behind the scenes. Dig and you will find interesting things about board members and administrators. The kids, parents and staff deserve better.

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Posted by Mike Anderson on 03/21/2015 at 7:47 AM

Re: “What Will We Tell the Children? Nogales Unified School District Edition

All I can say is in TUSD they watch all the time. The tests are locked up after every session. I don't know how teachers can change answers because we cannot keep them. However I know people can be creative. The teachers are not allowed to even read the test( only the required directions) so it is impossible to teach to the test. I read that here and I thought all schools were told they couldn't read the test. Of course we know the objectives well before the test and sample tests are posted online but they are very generic.
THere are aides in the room either for special education students or volunteers and if anybody sees anything, they must report it. Last year a teacher had just passed out the tests and it hadn't started yet and she looked down and read a question out loud I guess( it was very unclear exactly what she did but it was short and fast) without even thinking. The aide saw her and reported her and she was fired. The school went down to a C (which had been an A) because all her tests were counted as invalid.
There are people from the district patrolling schools so you never know who is going to show up in your room. They aren't even friendly when they come in ... don't smile ... walk around and leave and may come back. Many of us felt badly for the teacher who was fired because she did it without even thinking. She is a good teacher too. I am not saying it doesn't happen but the way they are administered where I have been definitely sends the message that cheating is not tolerated.

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Posted by Robin B. on 03/21/2015 at 6:53 AM

Re: “Editor's Note

That's 10. Slow down.

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Posted by mh1985 on 03/21/2015 at 6:19 AM

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