A modern example of that grand old American tradition "railroading" to get rid of someone who is liable to do a scientific study and come up with the truth. In a Gaussian distribution of people half of the distribution is below average, sadly in Arizona many of them seem to become Republican legislators.
As a veteran, I would like to see the VA do a scientific study on the high incidence of suicide among American military back from the war. Do you think that many of these people have realized and are filled with disgust at the con job that the government did to convince them that they were protecting their nation when that reality is dubious at best.
typo..who's not who'd sorry
"Infusing funds"?? So who'd money are you going to spend.? You spend a dime of my money on bars for drunk U of A students or Birkenstock shops or more bead stores and I will be very mad.
Typical Progressive view on the economy!
The times they are changing. It's clear that as downtown Tucson evolves, the anchors of tradition will be challenged and challenge each other. I've heard a nasty rumor that 4Th ave will be filled with franchises if some of governing groups have their way. What about infusing funds into the anchors of this area and helping them continue to be relevant.
Thanks for responding. While I objected to the Loft being on the County Bond. I am glad that you use grants etc.
Are there Vegas odds on how long it will take before they start cutting back on the schedule due to low ridership? Or how long the city will pour money into it to save face?
Drinking Liberally just met Free Enterprise and Private Ownership of a business. Free Enterprise 37- Drinking Liberally -0.
Oh Lordy, please tell me they aren't relocating to The Red Garter... it's such a nice neighborhood bar.
Bill and the Shanty staff are terrific. I have enjoyed going there for nearly 30 years. We have been going there nearly every Friday to meet with friends and coworkers. It's the best patio in town.
I surf in to a lot of local papers around the US (not foreign ones, so far) that stop me cold with $ demands. I always think that they must have a strong paying community that wants to remain exclusive to their area, or they don't just want anyone from outside reading their news. Nevertheless, none are very good. The ADS has changed so much in the last 40 years it is just strange. Corporations may legally be people, but they don't get it.
Well, well. I am not surprised to see the name Jim Hannely associated with assholish behavior. I remember his time as a board member at KXCI.
Bill and the waitstaff are great. Helpful, efficient and respectful. The patio is the best place in town for a beer and to catch up with friends.
The original law was passed by a Republican Congress and signed by Clinton. What Bush signed was a re-authorization of the law. That doesn't change the fact that the United States is culpable in the destruction of the economies and destabilization of the governments of the countries these child refugees come from. We should remember that they are refugees.
Tom: AJ Flick - sounds like they had a regular booking at the Shanty - since they address them as the "Wednesday Night Group." Would have been common courtesy to inform long time customers of a double booking.
No squatting rights for non-paying groups who don't reserve a space. "Booking" an event means reserving the space, not just assuming it's going to be held for you no matter what. Au contraire, if DL had a speaker planned and were expecting a group, DL should have made sure the space would be available and not just assume (you know what that does). Unless you have a paid booking, you can't just assume that there won't be a conflict with the business at which you gather.
Hadley: And for the record, Al Flick, it was a member of your group who walked over to the DL group and stood in the middle of it shouting and putting us down.
For the record, I am not one of those who congregates at The Shanty (on a regular basis), but I was aware of those who did and, as one of the organizers of our event, didn't assume we could just take over the patio when we wanted to.
Wherever DL chooses to meet, I hope they treat the business owners with more respect. They just might get some in return.
The Shanty is owned by a D. Any small business owner who votes for more taxes, regulations and control by government has got to be an idiot. I'll spend my money elsewhere.
The Shanty has always treated my friends. well.....they have a long history of keeping the place safe, treating employees well, and providing excellent customer service.
I debated whether to comment on this matter, since I was not present, but as I was mentioned in the article, I think my perspective might be of interest to some. Though I have not hosted DL, nor in fact attended but rarely, for some time now, I'm saddened and disappointed that DL's long and fruitful relationship with a wonderful and storied local business has ended in acrimony. It is especially sad that it has become so public.
During my years hosting DL, I always found Bill Nugent to be helpful, accommodating, and kind. I love The Shanty and have the greatest respect for Bill. He has a business to run, and if DL was not enhancing his business, it is right that he should end the association. Keep a Grimbergen cold for me, Bill. I'll always come back to The Shanty. As one commenter astutely pointed out, Bill's bar is the place where the heartbeat of Tucson is heard most clearly.
That said, I think Drinking Liberally serves an important need in our community and am hopeful that it will become established in a new location. It is a tremendous comfort to know that there is a community of liberal, open-minded folks who want to discuss the issues of the day in a thoughtful, substantive and civil manner. I fondly recall the many evenings spent debating and discussing, celebrating and commiserating, and generally enjoying the society and good will of my fellow citizens.
I hope that this unfortunate misunderstanding does not discourage folks from enjoying the pleasures of Drinking Liberally with your fellow citizens.
This is Peggy Johnson, the Executive Director, and The Loft withdrew its request to be on the bond election ballot. While we are tax exempt, we do pay sales tax and we receive no funding from the city, county or state except in the form of competitive grants for the arts from TPAC and the Arizona Commission on the Arts.
Fantastic. I have been going to the Shanty for decades and my only complaint is the jerk-offs of Drinking Liberals having their meetings there, which Is when I always try to avoid the place. Congrats to Bill Nugent for finally cleaning up what is normally a fine establishment. Now I know to avoid the Red Garter Saloon.
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