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Re: “Countries That Embraced Vouchers Made the Wrong School Choice

In Arizona we are allowed to fund religious schools, through STO's and tax credits, individual and corporate. That seems appropriate in a country whose Constitution guarantees freedom of religion. However, an odd interpretation of the separation of church and state (which was framed to try to prevent the state enforcing membership in a state-sponsored church, like England's) has encouraged a class of people in this country to froth at the mouth when they think of tax dollars going to schools affiliated with the Roman Catholic Church -- and to believe their prejudice can be justified through reference to the Founders' principles.

Why the hatred of public funds supporting religious schools, especially Catholic schools, which, as David has written previously, are the primary beneficiaries of tax credits in Arizona? There are a number of reasons given, and a number of reasons cloaked, but you don't have to dig too deep in American history to find a strong strain of anti-Catholic prejudice. Sometimes, in this region, it's mixed with anti-Hispanic prejudice.

David: I know you're a fan of desegregation and social justice, which, one would hope, would have something to do with minority families having easy access to forms of schooling that meet their children's academic needs while being respectful and supportive of their values, their traditions, and their beliefs. What would a survey of the Hispanic residents in Southern Arizona find: what percent of that cohort would prefer to send their children to a public district school, or to the Catholic school of their choice, if the cost and convenience were the same?

The Catholic schools I know in Tucson are more, not less racially integrated than the public district schools I know. They are more, not less, socio-economically integrated as well -- and that datum has made progress in the right direction BECAUSE OF the introduction of tax credits, which enable thousands of students who would not otherwise have been able to attend to do so.

Stop deriving your commentary from US News & World Report, and / or PCDP and TEA talking points, and / or Diane Ravitch and NPE. Come down from Cloud-Cuckoo Land and look at the world and the people around you in Southern Arizona. Perhaps if you did, you would see that YOU are the cultural imperialist, determined to impose your inaccurate idea of what is BEST on other people's children. They don't want what you want, David. They don't believe what you believe. And when it comes to TUSD vs. Diocese of Tucson schools, what you are trying to force on them is a distinctly inferior form of education in every respect.

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Posted by Safier is a cultural imperialist. on 02/10/2017 at 6:33 PM

Re: “Countries That Embraced Vouchers Made the Wrong School Choice

Silly infidels. 'Choice' is only allowed to kill yet to be born children, not to allow you to choose the education for your born children.

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Posted by What, Again on 02/10/2017 at 6:29 PM

Re: “Countries That Embraced Vouchers Made the Wrong School Choice

It appears that your vision is to lower all the standards to equal the failing public schools.

Like the Beatle song. "give choice a chance."

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Posted by Ring Go Starr on 02/10/2017 at 4:57 PM

Re: “Big City Mayors, Governors Make a Statement

Maybe we could concentrate on the folks that belong here before getting our panties in a wad over the folks that want to belong here... So many citizens needing help but so many non citizens waiting in the same lines claiming a right to do so... Only in America can this happen... Try sneaking into Mexico without a visa and asking for a hand out...

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Posted by Kommon Cents on 02/10/2017 at 3:45 PM

Re: “Here’s Your Chance to Win Thousands of Dollars

I'd like to buy a bowel mijo!

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Posted by Kommon Cents on 02/10/2017 at 3:31 PM

Re: “Rep. Martha McSally, Former Rep. Ron Barber, and Courage

The only thing around here collapsing from it's own weight is the toad himself!

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Posted by Kommon Cents on 02/10/2017 at 3:02 PM

Re: “Dust Devil

Hey, Dikinis -

Don't give up your day job.

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Posted by Poetry Maven on 02/10/2017 at 3:00 PM

Re: “The Skinny

"challenging the integrity of our entire legal system?"

I did not hear that. He said he would take it to the Supreme Court if necessary. Is that not accessing our nations legal system?

" threatening specific judges and intentionally prejudicing court cases long before actual decisions are made."

I heard him say "so called judge" regarding the Ninth Circuit Court. And that is true as 80% of his opinions are over ruled as unconstitutional. I have to wonder why Obama let that train wreck continue. But that's exactly why WA state they could get the wacky courts decision first and attempt to bias other jurisdictions.

Besides the question of intentionally prejudicing courts...That court itself has a documented history of not being in line with the law. They begin from a position of prejudice.

The humans are at it again.

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Posted by Rat T on 02/10/2017 at 2:13 PM

Re: “The Skinny

Even a rose bush can understand WHY Trump keeps going after politicians (both parties), celebrities, reporters, congress (both houses) and, sooner or later, other world leaders. It must really feel good. But there is something basically bad and even indefensible about constantly challenging the integrity of our entire legal system, threatening specific judges and intentionally prejudicing court cases long before actual decisions are made. It pushes the whole process behind police arrests and jury trials into a constitutional red zone, less access to justice for most of us and more abuse and disrespect by felons and crooks and anyone up for gaming the system.

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Posted by Sun Riser on 02/10/2017 at 1:10 PM

Re: “The Skinny

Voter fraud convictions are popping up all over the country. Why couldn't Obama find them?

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Posted by Turn Up The Heat on 02/10/2017 at 10:46 AM

Re: “The Skinny

Just like there is no vote fraud:

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Posted by Dave Nelson on 02/10/2017 at 9:56 AM

Re: “Give Me Your Huddled Masses

I have seen him do it. And it was the same water that Obama walked on.

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Posted by Rat T on 02/10/2017 at 9:29 AM

Re: “The Skinny

AS the left celebrates the 9th Circuit decision, be reminded that their decisions are overturned over 80% of the time. Is it a justice court or a political arm of the democratic party?

When you need a heart transplant pick a doctor with an 80% failure rate.

Would you?

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Posted by Rat T on 02/10/2017 at 9:25 AM

Re: “The Skinny

You're right. There are normal and abnormal patterns of response in these comment streams. There are also normal and abnormal patterns of like and dislike additions. When there are 7 likes or dislikes added to certain comments in less than a 20 hour period, especially on a dead thread, it can be deducted that something is rotten in the state of Denmark. You still haven't acknowledged that.

Congratulations Sherlock! You have wasted your time on bad leads. Go back to Baker Street and examine the evidence further. Make sure to talk to Watson because he is a valuable resource, especially at this point because the cocaine is ruining your brain.

It's also making you paranoid. That's what cocaine and being a major troll does.

Arrivederci, troll.

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Posted by Using 7 devices may get you the likes that you don't deserve :o on 02/10/2017 at 7:57 AM

Re: “The Skinny

Muslims are not Mexicans.
When I read (NYT with interviews/quotes) that rich California farmers who voted for Trump are losing their workers I have trouble matching politics with having food on the table: you cannot pay Americans enough to get out in those fields.
There is a need for vigilance, not threats and violence, implied or actual.
There is a need for steady leadership, not strange Twitter revenge rants threatening our legal system.
How long can anyone maintain this pace in what could be the most stressful job in the world??
When this president melts down, we could all be in for a very rough ride.

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Posted by President Meltdown on 02/10/2017 at 6:57 AM

Re: “High Horses

Nick Meyers; Has brought some very useful insight into the possibilities of of bill being passed by the legislature.

I would like to take exception to this part of the article
" The argument is reminiscent of the lawsuit against Prop 205, which claimed that the law wasn't adequately explained to voters so they wouldn't know what they were passing" .

This is so true on PROP 205. I didn't have a clue to the tentacle impact of the the proposed " DMLC" seemed to me to be a replacement vehicle to the County atty and Police slush/retirement fund. Outside state investors who won't disclose contributors. At every turn of prop was a "TO BE DETERMINED". Which means we dont know, you dont know ?>>>>>> Does it really mean that, or does it mean we dont want to say, it would damage the support ?

The real clincher to prop 205 failure was the Quazi board of citizens that really had no vote, but possible recipients of DMLC handouts as success of the program and the department.

If you are going to sell this kind of heep of. This is no different than Trumps Mexican Wall. We are going to stop the illegal stuff and they are going to pay for it. The society has been paying for it since 1971 and Nixon's now they see an end of the road.

What we paid for the citizens of America war on drugs. These two groups non sustainable behemoths. This is what prop 205 was supplier and enforcer as one feeding the behemoths that consume all in it's path. Cost to benefit was always has been and will be in the negative.

If they wanted a program MPP could've followed the other states legalization structure, of incorporating the other state agencies to a combined legalization agencies effort.> Not this stand alone (police, court, license, market selling & limiting,medical restricting, revenue collecting, interstate trade, governing department) for 8 years and then maybe it will negotiate with the legislature on powers of government. WHAT!!!~!!! This was prop 205 after reading it several times it was clear.

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Posted by Carpet Baggers on 02/10/2017 at 4:10 AM

Re: “Give Me Your Huddled Masses

In other news, Kim Jong Un says he can boil water with his mind.

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Posted by Peabo on 02/09/2017 at 10:29 PM

Re: “Give Me Your Huddled Masses

These huddled masses?

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Posted by Rat T on 02/09/2017 at 9:17 PM

Re: “Parental Guidance

Being so pro pot-I am betting Nick's dog uses pot now too and most likely looks like a Gremlin when it gets wet in the movie. Probably has a name that would fit a prison. But i am slightly stereotyping maybe. God bless America.

I hope your brother survived Mr Meyers.

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Posted by Castle Rock Joe on 02/09/2017 at 8:55 PM

Re: “Rep. Martha McSally, Former Rep. Ron Barber, and Courage

Martha, Martha, Martha....
If you can't stand the advice is to get out of the kitchen. Being elected by taxpayers means one must answer to their concerns. It goes with the territory. Republicans are facing an angry bunch, with good reason. Own up to voting for strip mining, own up to not demanding Trump produce his tax returns. Own up to voting against any protection of the enviorment and any protection for women making choices over their own bodies. Martha needs to own up and face her constituents.

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Posted by Tucker on 02/09/2017 at 8:44 PM

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