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Re: “Countries That Embraced Vouchers Made the Wrong School Choice

Fetish. I hate TUSD. I Hate TUSD. To some here this hatred justifies every illegal, irrational, unconstitutional act by the bought and paid for Arizona legislature. This biggest lie they use to justify these illegal acts, is that they are helping low income students. They care not one iota about poor kids. I demand you help me pay my Salpointe or Brophy tuition with public money, is the real message.

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Posted by Frances Perkins on 02/11/2017 at 10:32 AM

Re: “The Skinny

Thanks for the tip. I talked to Watson and this is what he said:

Congrats, Sherlock. You found someone systematically distorting two comment streams to align the likes and dislikes, which had previously had a different distribution, with PCDP orthodoxy. You provoked the troll into revealing that yes, it was the same troll visiting both streams every day to check on where things stood and alter them if need be. In that both streams relate to PCDP positions on school funding and governance, it seems likely that the troll is a PCDP maven and / or a supporter of the TUSD Board majority which Rachael Sedgwick recently had the gall to criticize and, through her election, to break up.

Case closed.

(Good luck, Rachael. You've got a very tough job ahead of you and some of those affiliated with your opponents seem to play dirty.)

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Posted by Watson said: "Case closed." :o) on 02/11/2017 at 9:11 AM

Re: “The Skinny

Yes, the entire legal system. Respect starts at the top, not at our level. Trump has been shouting down judges and ridiculing decisions for years. Defend Trump all you want, but he has no keen legal mind, just self-interest. And, due to his appointment authority, he can now test the integrity of the system and cause trouble from initial action upwards as appeals rise to the top (which he also will be able to appoint). There has as yet been no indication that Trump will not continue to harass judges and call for rulings in his favor before the judges can carefully and correctly decide the merits. We can hope they all stay independent, but the system is already suspect due to you-know-who.
Don't usually send links, but this new one from AP is called "Trump's tweets could make life tough for federal lawyers ".
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/tru…

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Posted by Sun Riser on 02/11/2017 at 7:02 AM

Re: “Cinema Clips: Split

Are you serious? Are you actually implying that "Signs" was a good movie? I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit. Whether "Split" is any good or not remains to be seen, but after an opening line like yours, I can't consider myself enlightened by your writeup.

Posted by Richard Cranium on 02/11/2017 at 4:38 AM

Re: “FBI Agents and Others Asking: 'Who is Carmen Chenal?'

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Posted by Patty Thomas 1 on 02/10/2017 at 9:03 PM

Re: “Countries That Embraced Vouchers Made the Wrong School Choice

...and no, just advocating for increased funding is NOT advocating for the decent functioning of the public district system. The system has many, many problems that cannot be fixed -- and may be exacerbated -- by increasing funding without simultaneously increasing responsible oversight.

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Posted by & p.s.: improving them requires more than increasing funding. on 02/10/2017 at 8:50 PM

Re: “Countries That Embraced Vouchers Made the Wrong School Choice

We don't live in Finland, David. Conditions are different there in so many ways it would be difficult to count them all.

And let's be clear, this is what anti-choice advocacy supports, in practice, in the here and now, with conditions as they are:

--If you have enough money, you have the full range of educational choices: a public district school in a safe, affluent neighborhood, or an Independent school, a Catholic school, a Jewish school, a Waldorf, school, a Montessori school...whatever.

--If you don't have disposable income to spare and / or the means of transporting your child to a site remote from your neighborhood, your only option is the public district school in your neighborhood. And many public district schools in poor urban neighborhoods are poorly supplied, poorly staffed, and sometimes dangerous.

It really baffles me how it is that supposedly "liberal," compassionate people earnestly desire to return to this way of structuring options for the rich and the poor -- and some of these people, the worst among them -- advocate for it when they themselves have used private rather than public schools for their own children.

(Perhaps "Frances Perkins" will materialize and find some way of explaining this that doesn't make it seem like a form of oppression of the disadvantaged. Tell us, Frances: what would you recommend to parents who live in the immediate neighborhood of one of the recently de-magnetized schools in TUSD? "Your kids may not be able to learn anything in classrooms staffed with long term subs rather than fully qualified teachers, and the discipline problems that occur when teachers have not been given the behavior management training the desegregation plan requires certainly don't make it any easier, but at least this public school is conveying the right ideas about WOMEN'S REPRODUCTION?")

But the most damning aspect of most anti-choicers I know is this: when it comes to the lies, the abuses, the misapplications of funds, the numerous violations of professional protocols from hiring to bidding to safety protocols...you name it...in our largest local fabulous PUBLIC SCHOOL DISTRICT, the strongest anti-choice advocates, who want to lock kids into these malfunctioning schools, are SILENT. Their advocacy for the decent functioning of the public district system is 100% MIA.

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Posted by If you love public district schools so much, IMPROVE THEM. on 02/10/2017 at 8:23 PM

Re: “'Drawing Dicks on the Tucson Weekly' Might Be My New Favorite Facebook Group [NSFW]

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Re: “Countries That Embraced Vouchers Made the Wrong School Choice

In Arizona we are allowed to fund religious schools, through STO's and tax credits, individual and corporate. That seems appropriate in a country whose Constitution guarantees freedom of religion. However, an odd interpretation of the separation of church and state (which was framed to try to prevent the state enforcing membership in a state-sponsored church, like England's) has encouraged a class of people in this country to froth at the mouth when they think of tax dollars going to schools affiliated with the Roman Catholic Church -- and to believe their prejudice can be justified through reference to the Founders' principles.

Why the hatred of public funds supporting religious schools, especially Catholic schools, which, as David has written previously, are the primary beneficiaries of tax credits in Arizona? There are a number of reasons given, and a number of reasons cloaked, but you don't have to dig too deep in American history to find a strong strain of anti-Catholic prejudice. Sometimes, in this region, it's mixed with anti-Hispanic prejudice.

David: I know you're a fan of desegregation and social justice, which, one would hope, would have something to do with minority families having easy access to forms of schooling that meet their children's academic needs while being respectful and supportive of their values, their traditions, and their beliefs. What would a survey of the Hispanic residents in Southern Arizona find: what percent of that cohort would prefer to send their children to a public district school, or to the Catholic school of their choice, if the cost and convenience were the same?

The Catholic schools I know in Tucson are more, not less racially integrated than the public district schools I know. They are more, not less, socio-economically integrated as well -- and that datum has made progress in the right direction BECAUSE OF the introduction of tax credits, which enable thousands of students who would not otherwise have been able to attend to do so.

Stop deriving your commentary from US News & World Report, and / or PCDP and TEA talking points, and / or Diane Ravitch and NPE. Come down from Cloud-Cuckoo Land and look at the world and the people around you in Southern Arizona. Perhaps if you did, you would see that YOU are the cultural imperialist, determined to impose your inaccurate idea of what is BEST on other people's children. They don't want what you want, David. They don't believe what you believe. And when it comes to TUSD vs. Diocese of Tucson schools, what you are trying to force on them is a distinctly inferior form of education in every respect.

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Posted by Safier is a cultural imperialist. on 02/10/2017 at 6:33 PM

Re: “Countries That Embraced Vouchers Made the Wrong School Choice

Silly infidels. 'Choice' is only allowed to kill yet to be born children, not to allow you to choose the education for your born children.

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Posted by What, Again on 02/10/2017 at 6:29 PM

Re: “Countries That Embraced Vouchers Made the Wrong School Choice

It appears that your vision is to lower all the standards to equal the failing public schools.

Like the Beatle song. "give choice a chance."

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Posted by Ring Go Starr on 02/10/2017 at 4:57 PM

Re: “Big City Mayors, Governors Make a Statement

Maybe we could concentrate on the folks that belong here before getting our panties in a wad over the folks that want to belong here... So many citizens needing help but so many non citizens waiting in the same lines claiming a right to do so... Only in America can this happen... Try sneaking into Mexico without a visa and asking for a hand out...

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Posted by Kommon Cents on 02/10/2017 at 3:45 PM

Re: “Here’s Your Chance to Win Thousands of Dollars

I'd like to buy a bowel mijo!

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Posted by Kommon Cents on 02/10/2017 at 3:31 PM

Re: “Rep. Martha McSally, Former Rep. Ron Barber, and Courage

The only thing around here collapsing from it's own weight is the toad himself!

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Posted by Kommon Cents on 02/10/2017 at 3:02 PM

Re: “Dust Devil

Hey, Dikinis -

Don't give up your day job.

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Posted by Poetry Maven on 02/10/2017 at 3:00 PM

Re: “The Skinny

"challenging the integrity of our entire legal system?"

I did not hear that. He said he would take it to the Supreme Court if necessary. Is that not accessing our nations legal system?

" threatening specific judges and intentionally prejudicing court cases long before actual decisions are made."

I heard him say "so called judge" regarding the Ninth Circuit Court. And that is true as 80% of his opinions are over ruled as unconstitutional. I have to wonder why Obama let that train wreck continue. But that's exactly why WA state filed...so they could get the wacky courts decision first and attempt to bias other jurisdictions.

Besides the question of intentionally prejudicing courts...That court itself has a documented history of not being in line with the law. They begin from a position of prejudice.

The humans are at it again.

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Posted by Rat T on 02/10/2017 at 2:13 PM

Re: “The Skinny

Even a rose bush can understand WHY Trump keeps going after politicians (both parties), celebrities, reporters, congress (both houses) and, sooner or later, other world leaders. It must really feel good. But there is something basically bad and even indefensible about constantly challenging the integrity of our entire legal system, threatening specific judges and intentionally prejudicing court cases long before actual decisions are made. It pushes the whole process behind police arrests and jury trials into a constitutional red zone, less access to justice for most of us and more abuse and disrespect by felons and crooks and anyone up for gaming the system.

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Posted by Sun Riser on 02/10/2017 at 1:10 PM

Re: “The Skinny

Voter fraud convictions are popping up all over the country. Why couldn't Obama find them?

http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2017-02-10/urbana-man-charged-living-voting-us-illegally.html

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Posted by Turn Up The Heat on 02/10/2017 at 10:46 AM

Re: “The Skinny

Just like there is no vote fraud:

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2017/02/09/grand-prairie-woman-sentenced-to-8-years-in-prison-for-voter-fraud/

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Posted by Dave Nelson on 02/10/2017 at 9:56 AM

Re: “Give Me Your Huddled Masses

I have seen him do it. And it was the same water that Obama walked on.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/06/obama-new-yorker-walk-on-water.html

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/12/14/a-drunk-kim-jong-un-is-an-angry-kim-jong-un-north-korea-nuclear-test-senior-military-elders/

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Posted by Rat T on 02/10/2017 at 9:29 AM

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