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Re: “Silicon Valley Businesses Move to Phoenix—Because It's Cheaper

Thanks AZ/DC because I also believe what whatagain stated. To think anything else would be folly. Just look at what they do and don't do. Phoenix is light years ahead. They have higher home values and lower property taxes. We have been forced to try to develop a future by isolating ourselves from reality.

Your post accomplished nothing but name calling.

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Posted by What is this town thinking? on 08/25/2016 at 1:58 PM

Re: “Silicon Valley Businesses Move to Phoenix—Because It's Cheaper

The false facts that Wrong, Again actually believes + The nonsense that he actually bothers to post = Dumbshit

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Posted by AZ/DC! on 08/25/2016 at 1:23 PM

Re: “Silicon Valley Businesses Move to Phoenix—Because It's Cheaper

Weird. Forbes has rated the Phoenix Metro area as their #1 city in winning the tech job growth outside of the Bay Area/Silicon Valley. This includes, from their data, a 39.29% increase in these jobs from 2010-2016. It also includes a growth rate in this sector of 7.51% for just 2015. That 39.29% growth is the 3rd highest in the nation.

Since 2000 the tech sector has grown by 78% in the Phoenix metro area.

Why the discrepancy? This might have to do with how we define a geographic area or we define tech sector jobs. We all know that from common sense 'Phoenix' also includes the cities around it like Mesa, Tempe, Glendale, Scottsdale, etc. You can get any kind of result you want by selectively removing these parts of the metro Phoenix area from the equation. Your data comes from the NYTimes, who took it from Moodys, and did not provide a link. So it is impossible to see how they defined their geographies or the 'tech sector'.

I don't disagree with your premise that these companies are moving to Phoenix because of the cost of living, that is a big part of it among many others, but this really is just a sad hit piece on Phoenix, and you can't even do the slightest research of your own! That makes this another piece of evidence highlighting your superior skills as a hack David. Keep it up!

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Posted by HumanBean on 08/25/2016 at 12:09 PM

Re: “Silicon Valley Businesses Move to Phoenix—Because It's Cheaper

No amount of tax dollars confiscated by Tucson liberals will ever increase business given the rabid hatred for corporations and radical environmentalist anti-growth policies.

The Phoenix area spent billions building a world class road system, freeways, and it's paying off big time. Tucson spent hundreds of millions deliberately NOT building roads.

No growth = no jobs = no future.

Why won't Tucson liberals ever accept responsibility for their total control over the last 30 years? And why do liberals like this blogger who have absolutely no business education credentials nor work experience continue to think they know anything about economics?

And when will Tucson hold Tom Volgy responsible for killing commercial air traffic in Tucson when he gave away exclusive rights to the Tucson-Phoenix route?

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Posted by What, Again on 08/25/2016 at 11:53 AM

Re: “K12 Inc. Steps Up Its Ad Blitz

It's August 2016 and the ads are incessant on NYC TV stations.

This is what making schools think like businesses lead to. Welcome to the ultimate charter school: no buildings, few expenses.

But if you're like Teeny above who thinks these charters can't last, John Oliver's expose on charter schools nationwide. Unless you admire the operators whose fiduciary (legal) responsibility is to the shareholders, and only the shareholders.

Posted by Gnostradamus on 08/25/2016 at 11:31 AM

Re: “The New York Times is Telling the Story of How Tucson Became an 'Unlikely Food Star'

Excellent! My pale blue Torino was a 1970! hahahaha

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Posted by Driving Range on 08/25/2016 at 10:51 AM

Re: “What John Oliver Said About Charter Schools

To: Clearer understanding

You comment points out the paradox of measurement. If you are running a high quality education system, test scores will go up. Yet, at a classroom, school and district level, focusing on test scores does not produce a high quality system. After 40 years of getting the system to become ever more and more focused on test scores the bankruptcy of that approach couldn't be clearer.

Learning is all about motivation. The unmotivated brain literally can not learn. And, motivation is all about emotion. Measuring motivation or derivatives of motivation is the future of education. That is why I advocate measuring parent, teacher and student perception of excellence.

Gallup has developed an amazing "Hope Engagement and Well Being" question set. Teach Like a Champion also has an amazing question set.

When I was on a school board, I chose a more laser like approach - one question. "Please rate the quality of education your child is receiving." for parents with a scale starting at "Outstanding". Nationwide, about 9% of parents rate the quality of education their child is receiving as outstanding, a higher standard than excellence. People get very uncomfortable when the quality of what they are doing is rated at 9% and as a result of that discomfort, they begin to change i..e Improve.

Most school districts interpret their parent satisfaction surveys in a way that validates current practices (TUSD) and as a result, produce no change. The current percentage of parents rating their child's school excellent nationwide is 24%, 1 point away from the lowest level in 47 years.

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Posted by jhuppent@hotmail.com on 08/25/2016 at 9:54 AM

Re: “The New York Times is Telling the Story of How Tucson Became an 'Unlikely Food Star'

We have the very best food this side of the border. I have lived here since May of 1972. My husband and I drove 5 & 1/2 days, across the United States, from Rockford, Illinois. The temperatures were 22 below zero, the last February we were there! We looked at each other and said Let's get the hell out of HERE! So we packed up a few of my Son's toys, a few dishes, and clothes. Piled up in our year old pale blue 1971 FORD TORINO, my Son was teething, the entire trip, (no car seats back then I held him in my lap! ) and headed out West, and never looked back. The first food we had was Taco Bell. Lol over time my husband, self-taught Chef, made the most elaborate meals of Mexican cuisine! Every holiday was a feast. I became a Baker at a local hospital, between the two of us, as our Family expanded, the meals were shared with friends, from my Husband's School where he taught Art. Everyone remembers the lavish meals we produced. Sheldon Lee Koester, was a teacher at Drachman Primary Magnet School and taught for 18 years before he passed away on Cinco De Mayo, 2000. We came here for his health, and I have NEVER regretted choosing Tucson over Phoenix. the Sonoran Desert is the most beautiful place in Arizona! Sheldon loved his new home here. he worked with all of his new found friends, through the parents, teachers and students in The BARRIO. We love the culture, and pleasant ways of all the people we love and Tucson is such a friendly place. not too long ago, I lived in Phoenix for 5 months, uh, it cannot hold a candle to us!!! My husband used to frequent the restaurants, bakeries around the downtown area, have lunch dates with all his fellow colleagues, and he is truly missed. NO, I would never trade our triple digits for that Chicago weather with it's 40 degrees below zero with the wind chill factor, !!! Tucson is my permanent home!!!

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Posted by horsesrmi on 08/25/2016 at 9:45 AM

Re: “Silicon Valley Businesses Move to Phoenix—Because It's Cheaper

Uhaul trucks are not used to move high tech firms. What low tech thinking. You are really stuck aren't you?

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Posted by Somebody hates Phoenix... on 08/25/2016 at 9:20 AM

Re: “Quick Bites: How Do Ya Like Them Apples?

If you want to see New England type fall colors in Arizona, go down to the Chiricahua Mountains in southeast Arizona, and specifically go to Maple Camp.

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Posted by PVK on 08/25/2016 at 6:53 AM

Re: “The New York Times is Telling the Story of How Tucson Became an 'Unlikely Food Star'

A few things stuck in my craw about this article.

First, "this land of heat and cactuses." It's *cacti*, dammit, *cacti*. You're a New York Times writer, for heaven's sake!

Second, the assumption that Tucson's foodie reputation is not really "all about the restaurants." Oh no? Then what do you make of El Minuto, Tavolino, the Grill at Hacienda Del Sol, Brooklyn Pizza Company, La Placita, or the simple pleasure of a well-crafted sandwich or sushi roll on the patio at AJ's?

Last but not least, I need to repeat what a few commenters on the NYT article itself mentioned: Tucson is a fabulous place to grow your own produce year-round and has no shortage of truly fresh fruits and vegetables.

The article was halfway between being decent and damning with faint praise, if you ask me.

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Posted by Ex-Arizonan on 08/24/2016 at 8:39 PM

Re: “World View Case Moves Forward After Motion Denied

Let's not forget that Pima County also lost a recent case. In the case that is described in the article, the State ingnored the law. In the case lighting case described below, Pima County ignored the law. Seems to me that the County ignored the law once again. https://arizonadailyindependent.com/2016/0…

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Posted by Jay Janicek on 08/24/2016 at 5:10 PM

Re: “What John Oliver Said About Charter Schools

Spoken like a true teacher. World and federal governments have overloaded the public schools with unnecessary crap and nobody wants to admit they just can't seem to teach the basics. That's exactly why thinking parents have left. I appreciate choice in education for all. At this point what do you have to lose?

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Posted by Not Another Day on 08/24/2016 at 4:04 PM

Re: “The New York Times is Telling the Story of How Tucson Became an 'Unlikely Food Star'

@Nancy, someone's revealed LeBuzz in the comments on the Times' story :(

Posted by SonoranWinds on 08/24/2016 at 3:09 PM

Re: “What John Oliver Said About Charter Schools

Public education is not broken and has never been. That's simply the mindless blather of those who should devote their time to addressing our broken society and political system.

Whether or not charter schools are good (some are, most aren't), Oliver is discussing the cancerous influence of for-profit 'public' charters and the vultures profiting from them.

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Posted by Da Coach on 08/24/2016 at 2:34 PM

Re: “The New York Times is Telling the Story of How Tucson Became an 'Unlikely Food Star'

Last Friday they had a nice little piece on the downtown Tucson food scene in USA Today.

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Posted by Triplem555 on 08/24/2016 at 12:36 PM

Re: “What John Oliver Said About Charter Schools

Someone who seems to be wanting to convey the impression that he is Huppenthal and who regularly introduces Huppenthal-style talking points and defends Huppenthal's agenda in office has been commenting on Safier's blog for a while now, and there have been interesting exchanges in the comment streams with this individual (or these individuals? -- you never know with anonymous comment streams where the user chooses the screen name). In that Safier was one of those somehow involved in the breaking of the stories on Huppenthal's role as an anonymous online commenter and in the lead-up to Huppenthal no longer serving as State Superintendent of Public Instruction, it would make some sense for Huppenthal to post here under his name now, but who knows.

As for the idea that "There is something inherently flawed in the delivery process of public education," there are certainly serious problems in some public school systems in the US -- especially in poor urban districts like TUSD, which properly form a category unto themselves -- but a thorough study of public education systems in other states in the US and in other countries would be needed before any conclusions could be drawn about the extremely broad and diverse category "public education." There are better and worse ways of managing publicly funded delivery of universal K-12 instruction. Arizona, for various reasons including both ill-advised draconian funding cuts at the state level and some state-enabled egregious examples of gross mismanagement at the district level, falls into the "worse" category.

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Posted by Clearer Understanding Needed on Both Sides of Fence on 08/24/2016 at 11:48 AM

Re: “What John Oliver Said About Charter Schools

The poster looked to me like jhuppent. I wasn't sure who/what that was. Are you sure that Mr Huppenthal posts here? But I did find accurate links to statements made.

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Posted by Charter a Course For All on 08/24/2016 at 11:26 AM

Re: “What John Oliver Said About Charter Schools

In other posts, Huppenthal has seemed to understand that test scores and parent satisfaction surveys do not measure school quality. Here he is citing rankings based on test scores and parent satisfaction surveys to try to prove that the Arizona educational system has improved since the introduction of charters. Are there multiple people, with mutually inconsistent opinions, posting under Huppenthal's name, or is the real Huppenthal just being inconsistent?

Also: please note that there has been no plausible argument in support of a viable "causation" relationship between the introduction of charter schools and a reduction of murders committed by juveniles. There are any number of factors that could have played into such a reduction, as anyone with a decent background in social science (as opposed to engineering and business administration) knows.

Being able to act constructively in a position like State Superintendent of Instruction properly requires a sound knowledge base in the social sciences and the field of education. The fact that the majority of voters in this state do not seem to grasp this is a good argument for making the role an appointed one, rather than an elected one. The fact that the changes made to the public education system here in recent years have left us with schools where we cannot fill our teaching positions with fully qualified, professional teachers is another argument for taking the ability to fill State Superintendent of Instruction out of the hands of voters.

As for those who like to blame the problems in public schools solely on funding cuts, they are only partially right. If they would like to develop a more well-rounded understanding of what is really happening in the world around them (as opposed to what is happening in the stories they tell and re-tell themselves and others), they should start forcing themselves to attend every TUSD Board meeting. There, if they pay attention, they will soon note that gravely malfunctioning governance and administration -- related to but not necessarily caused by insufficient funding -- are a big part of the picture in the largest public school district in Southern Arizona.

It has been previously noted in these comment streams that the entirely preventable governance and administrative problems in a public school district serving tens of thousands students is partly the state's fault, not just because of its ill-advised funding cuts, because also because of its negligent oversight and lax enforcement of laws on the books that are there to keep public districts functioning properly.

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Posted by Clearer Understanding Needed on Both Sides of Fence on 08/24/2016 at 11:03 AM

Re: “What John Oliver Said About Charter Schools

Thanks j. I found more of those facts when I looked. We are sure led to believe that all they needed was more money. There is something inherently flawed in the delivery process of public education.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/opinion/article_44986318-10c3-11e6-85f9-830cdaf38ade.html

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Posted by Charter a Course For All on 08/24/2016 at 10:52 AM

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