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Comment Archives: stories: Currents: The Range: The Tucson Weekly's Daily Dispatch

Re: “Gov Race: Ducey vs. DuVal

Ducey made his fortune bankrupting hopeful entrepreneurs by over-promising and under-performing. In an earlier time, he'd be traveling between towns with a wagon full of snake oil.

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Posted by Jimmy Zuma on 08/28/2014 at 4:31 PM

Re: “Mercer Calls for Grijalva's Excommunication and the Congressman Suggests She Listen to the Pope

Way to go Gabby.

You got his goat!

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Posted by Rat T on 08/28/2014 at 4:16 PM

Re: “(Common) Core Wars

Michael, I love the phrase, "Our kids will be the beta testers." I may use that at some time, unless you want to invoke copyright privileges.

Posted by David Safier on 08/28/2014 at 3:09 PM

Re: “(Common) Core Wars

From my perspective as an unabashed and unapologetic supporter of public education Common Core while a good idea, is seriously flawed. Here's why:
1. Too much Federal Government involvement waiving big checks to under-resourced school districts. To get the money the districts have to drink the Koolaid.
2. Too much involvement by big testing and big book companies. They stand to make a fortune out of supporting CC and will lobby and work to drive it their way so they can profit.
3. One form of high stakes testing will simply replace another form of high stakes testing but we will still have high stakes testing paralyzing our education system.
4. It has not been tested anywhere, instead Arne Duncan rolled it out. It's a high risk and our kids will be the beta testers - first time out. Not smart. Our kids education is a one shot deal, I don't think that we ought to be experimenting with it without having a reasonable assurance that the outcome will be positive- by testing it under controlled conditions in a few selected districts.
I still believe that we need to let teachers teach and stop messing with programs to "make things better" when we just increase the burden on those who struggle to make it work. Let's take the money and put it into better pay and more classroom resources rather than launch yet another federal initiative, remember "no child left behind" or "race to the top" or any one of the initiatives of the month? They did not work either, my confidence is not with the feds on this.

Posted by Michael S. Ellegood on 08/28/2014 at 2:39 PM

Re: “(Common) Core Wars

The good news is that no one is really buying the whole enchilada and the Common Core with its associated testing programs will be dead by 2016 (there's an election coming up). The bad new is that between CCSS and NCLB entire cohorts of students over the past dozen years have been shortchanged as guinea pigs in two failed experiments.

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Posted by Rick Spanier on 08/28/2014 at 2:18 PM

Re: “(Common) Core Wars

This reads like nobody really likes it. I still haven't heard an accurate synopsis of what the good is from it.

The NEA has a pitiful track record when it comes to change.

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Posted by Rat T on 08/28/2014 at 2:00 PM

Re: “Local GoFundMe Campaign for Black Lives Matter Ride to Help Send Five Tucsonans to Ferguson

I'm thrilled about the efforts of these young activists, and I'm appalled at the comments so far. Dave D says, "Why not wait to pass judgment after the officer is found guilty in a court of law"? And I ask, Why didn't innocent-until-proven-guilty apply to the kid who was murdered on the street by a man with a badge and a gun? Where was Michael Brown's court of law? What was he guilty of, besides walking in this country while black? Shame on all of you! The shop owner was not "slapped around," shazam, and Michael Brown was not a "brute," he was someone's beloved son. The store owner has said in interviews that nothing wrong happened at the store, there is video of Mike paying for his cigars, and even if he HAD stolen something, shoplifting is not punishable by death-without-trial, and the cop/murderer hadn't heard any police report about a crime anyway. Get some facts before spewing, all of you.

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Posted by blaze_mason on 08/28/2014 at 12:35 PM

Re: “Bloggers Flex Their Muscle In The Huppenthal Primary

The trouble that I see with Diane Douglas is that she is a one trick pony. Her continuing mantra is, "Defeat Common Core". Ok, fine, now what. How are we going to fund education in this State? How are we going to get more resources into the public classroom? Where is Diane on vouchers? So far there has been no platform on which to evaluate what she wants to do. Her win was more anti-Huppenthal than pro-Diane.
I'm voting for Garcia, he at least has a background in education though as a Dem in a red state, it's doubtful that he will be heard by the 90 gnomes

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Posted by Michael S. Ellegood on 08/28/2014 at 11:54 AM

Re: “Local GoFundMe Campaign for Black Lives Matter Ride to Help Send Five Tucsonans to Ferguson

I would think they might want to wait for the evidence to see if this was a justified shooting. Otherwise aren't they there based on incorrect assumptions?

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Posted by Rat T on 08/28/2014 at 10:57 AM

Re: “Bloggers Flex Their Muscle In The Huppenthal Primary

It is interesting that former Superintendent, Lisa Graham Keegan, also came from Peoria. After the bad news finally hit the mainstream press regarding Huppenthal, Keegan came out strongly against him. Keegan new the right-wing could lose if Huppenthal won the primary. Millions of right-wing dollars, and much of the mainstream media, will now go for Douglas.

Now, here is the challenge bloggers who care about education: get people registered to vote in November, get them to vote, and get the voters to vote for David Garcia.

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Posted by Dave Gallagher on 08/28/2014 at 10:39 AM

Re: “The Head of BASIS Tucson North Responds

"What to do with students who don't want or can't handle an accelerated standardized test-based curriculum." hmmm...isn't the real question, "what to do with students and parents who feel entitled just for participating?"
The discussions around accessability, pegagogy, selective process, etc...are all very interesting, really. The real problem with BASIS not being a one size fits all (as public schools are forced to imply they are) is culture.
The culture at BASIS is to prepare students for the real world, teaching life skills that will help them in real life. For example, students are responisble for tracking assignments and completing on time. If work isn't completed on time it doesn't earn homework credit. If my job requires me to complete a project in a timely manner, I am held accountable. There is no make-up or extra credit for failure. ACCOUNTABILITY is the culture.
It sounds to me that many of the opponents of this education prefer to live life with a victim mentallity. The 'cant's' and the 'wont's' never cease. Reasons are excuses, plain and simple. The tools and resources are available for those who CHOOSE to take advantage. The rest CHOOSE the option that gives a warm and fuzzy feeling when little Johnny fails, a culture of ACCOMMODATION.
What is really disturbing is that our Public School system is overburdened with a population of students just coasting through. They have no choice but to accomodate this crowd, discipline and accountability are dirty words at TUSD because parents demand it. "My child was late to class, how dare the teacher not let them in to disrupt the lesson and everyone elses learning!" "My child did not follow the dress code, how dare you have a policy in place that I don't agree with" "My child is failing because the teacher doesn't like them, they need to change teachers NOW!"
I would venture to guess that most parents who choose BASIS initially and then choose to leave thought that showing up would make their child successful. Sadly that is not the case. There is a process of learning and developing skills that takes time and energy that not everyone is willing to invest. That's not an elimination process, it's reality. In the real world we have innovators and entreprenuers as well as data entry persons. There is no one size fits all when the drive isn't there.

Posted by Living in Reality on 08/28/2014 at 10:36 AM

Re: “Gov Race: Ducey vs. DuVal

"I want to congratulate Fred on his big win," Ducey said haughtily. DuVal ran opposed in tonight's Democratic primary. "We know this guy is simply unstoppable, as long as he doesn't have an opponent."…

Way to keep it classy, Ducey.

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Posted by Pima Mujer on 08/28/2014 at 8:26 AM

Re: “Gov Race: Ducey vs. DuVal

@cempiremtn, I can't speak for the others, but Fred DuVal and I are native Arizonans. How 'bout you go back where you came from.

P.S. "Fair and Balanced"? This is the Tucson Weekly, not Rupert Murdoch's News.

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Posted by Gonzo Sorcrachi on 08/28/2014 at 7:54 AM

Re: “Bloggers Flex Their Muscle In The Huppenthal Primary

I agree with Jana. The part of the right wing that swears by Fox and the viral emails littering their mailboxes were ready to vote for Douglas, but I don't know if their numbers were big enough to catapult an unknown (to most Arizonans) over the incumbent. I hang out with enough non-politicos to know that most of them didn't know the names of anyone running for Ed Supe but Huppenthal. The Rs who don't follow elections closely would have voted for Hupp under normal circumstances. But I'm betting his shameful and embarrassing behavior led some of them to vote for "the other candidate" and others to leave that race blank. Remember, two former Republican Ed Supes said he should either resign or pull out of the race, and some business types said the same. That's powerful stuff to see in the news. Even casual voters would have winced at what they saw and read.

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Posted by David Safier on 08/28/2014 at 7:42 AM

Re: “Gov Race: Ducey vs. DuVal

Another Biased "News Story" by the Tucson Weekly. Look at the two Youtube shots put up, "Fair and Balanced"...I think not! All you LibDumbs need to go back to Kommiefornia or wherever you slithered in from...

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Posted by cempiremtn on 08/28/2014 at 7:36 AM

Re: “Local GoFundMe Campaign for Black Lives Matter Ride to Help Send Five Tucsonans to Ferguson

The group should include as a part of their mission to educate the youth in Ferguson to respect law enforcement in order to avoid the problems that plaque the community. Officer Wilson in the eye's of the public has been found guilty without a trial. We don't even know the facts, yet we're ready to condemn his action's. Why not wait to pass judgment after the officer is found guilty in a court of law. What kind of message is the group bringing to the community at this point in time. It could very easily be interpreted as a green light to have no regards or respect for those officers who risk their lives in a daily basis for our sake's.

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Posted by Dave D on 08/28/2014 at 7:12 AM

Re: “Bloggers Flex Their Muscle In The Huppenthal Primary

It's hard to resist this political post mortem, so I won't. Do people really think so little of Republican primary voters as to believe they were unmoved by a public official who is thoroughly and uncontrovertedly shamed by revealing himself to be unfit for his office? (Hint: ask Tom Horne.) Had it not been for outing Huppenthal's blog comments, it is entirely possible that Hupp would have squeaked by this one.

For the last couple of years the anti-CC sentiment has gained traction across the country, but I thought it was too much to hope for that Arizonans would catch on and challenge Hupp's support. While a significant portion of the Republican base is now rabidly opposed to what they refer to as the "Obamanization" of public schools, there are plenty of others who don't know about the CC, don't know about the CC kerfluffle, and/or take Tea Party rants with a grain of salt. Add to that the independent vote and Hupp's name recognition as an incumbent and I would have given him a good chance of getting through the primary.

But how many of that group saw Hupp blubbering on national TV? How many of them lifted their jaws off the ground when his hateful comments were broadcast over and over? Throw into that mix a lot of disgust with Tom Horne disgracing his office and I think you have the tipping point for a large block of voters who want to vote for someone with integrity.

As Mark said, the blogging put blood in the water. But it is entirely possible that the blood in the water is what doomed Huppenthal and that he would be facing off with David Garcia right now if Bob Lord hadn't done the lord's work.

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Posted by Jana Happel on 08/28/2014 at 6:24 AM

Re: “Bloggers Flex Their Muscle In The Huppenthal Primary

Marty is correct. Diane Douglas, a school board member from one of the state's largest districts, was hardly unknown. She had a carefully crafted message against the common core and hammered it over and over and over. The blogging business put blood in the water and would have hurt Huppenthal in the general election, but in the primary it was mainly the common core and PARCC that doomed him. (I bet money on his loss a month or two ago, because it seemed a pretty safe bet.)

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Posted by Mark Stegeman on 08/28/2014 at 5:24 AM

Re: “Gov Race: Ducey vs. DuVal

I'm going to do my best to make sure Fred is our next Governor. I am so fed up with the way my state, our state has been run into the ground and our name dragged through the mud.

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Posted by Gonzo Sorcrachi on 08/27/2014 at 8:19 PM

Re: “Local Comedian Walt Maxam Passes Away at 67

Will miss that smile and those twinkling eyes. Thanks for being my friend.

Posted by Kay Leta Collins on 08/27/2014 at 7:13 PM

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